kakashi vs deidara

[narutokage99]

What Raiton does he have to destroy all of the bombs?

How long can he breathe under ground?

Kakashi has better brain than Sasuke,he has sharingan genjutsu as well, and can detect C4 just like Sasuke.
It's basics and Sasuke explained it Doton > raiton and Kakashi knows better .

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Doton hiding like a mole is a good bonus Deidara used to survive his own explosion.

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Breathing time is irrevelant, Sasuke breath the whole fight even few seconds after C4.

 

[Zexion~]

3t Kakashi still gets shit on by Deidara

 

[-Sky-]

3t Kakashi still gets shit on by Deidara

#Doesn'tmatter (Even though Deidara vs 3t Kakashi would be high diff for Dei)

 

[Zexion~]

#Doesn'tmatter (Even though Deidara vs 3t Kakashi would be high diff for Dei)

No not really, mid diff at best..

C2 ends it....

 

[lagala]

Sharingan Kakashi rape Deidara Lol

 

[NarutoIndra]

No not really, mid diff at best..

C2 ends it....

Lol. Too bad Kakashi destroys Deidera.

 

[itachi49]

Kakashi has better brain than Sasuke,he has sharingan genjutsu as well, and can detect C4 just like Sasuke.
It's basics and Sasuke explained it Doton > raiton and Kakashi knows better .

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Doton hiding like a mole is a good bonus Deidara used to survive his own explosion.

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Breathing time is irrevelant, Sasuke breath the whole fight even few seconds after C4.

This should end the thread.
Kakashi take this MS or not.

 

[Zexion~]

Lol. Too bad Kakashi destroys Deidera.

Please elaborate U_U

Kamui is useless .... As Deidara has already seen it and he's shown to be a rather intelligent person, so it stands to reason he wont just sit there. as i said he would be flying around and keeping him off balance.

Other than Kamui he has nothing to take him down with

 

[NarutoIndra]

Please elaborate U_U

Kamui is useless .... As Deidara has already seen it and he's shown to be a rather intelligent person, so it stands to reason he wont just sit there. as i said he would be flying around and keeping him off balance.

Other than Kamui he has nothing to take him down with

Lol, unless you are willing to claim Deidera is fast enough to prevent Kakashi's sharingan from keeping up with his movements, your argument doesn't hold. Kamui instantly appears, it does not move, which is already evident in the manga considering it doesn't warp everything it comes to contact with along its path. It simply occurs, the only counter to it is S/T, or using abilities which will put a large object(s) in front of you to get out of the users sight. Intelligent or not, if Deidera doesn't use hiding like a mole, he isn't dodging nor is he staying out of Kamui's range.

Kakashi having sharingan means he can do just what Sasuke did with the utilisation of his Raiton. Deidera has already been caught under the sharingan's genjutsu, nothing suggests he won't be caught again. Kakashi can use the ration beast who can hit a Deidera in mid air. Anyways, Kamui one shots if Deidera decides to stay elevated. 3T abilities one shot if Deidera decides to lower his elevation.

 

[Zexion~]

Lol, unless you are willing to claim Deidera is fast enough to prevent Kakashi's sharingan from keeping up with his movements, your argument doesn't hold. Kamui instantly appears, it does not move, which is already evident in the manga considering it doesn't warp everything it comes to contact with along its path. It simply occurs, the only counter to it is S/T, or using abilities which will put a large object(s) in front of you to get out of the users sight. Intelligent or not, if Deidera doesn't use hiding like a mole, he isn't dodging nor is he staying out of Kamui's range.

Kakashi having sharingan means he can do just what Sasuke did with the utilisation of his Raiton. Deidera has already been caught under the sharingan's genjutsu, nothing suggests he won't be caught again. Kakashi can use the ration beast who can hit a Deidera in mid air. Anyways, Kamui one shots if Deidera decides to stay elevated. 3T abilities one shot if Deidera decides to lower his elevation.

Not posting scans U_U

Anyways, yes he can, Kakashi had trouble targeting a mere hovering Deidara when they first met...Hence why he had to make due with removing an arm, if Deidara were moving at top speeds (Which were able to keep up if not stay ahead of a flying Onoki) Then Kakashi is going to have a huge problem targeting him, all the while Deidara can drop mini C1's to hinder his line of sight with the explosion, and since Kakashi really has no long range variant of his Raiton its not going to be much use for defending.

And no Deidara never fell for genjutsu read the arc again bro...

 

[NarutoIndra]

Not posting scans U_U

Anyways, yes he can, Kakashi had trouble targeting a mere hovering Deidara when they first met...Hence why he had to make due with removing an arm, if Deidara were moving at top speeds (Which were able to keep up if not stay ahead of a flying Onoki) Then Kakashi is going to have a huge problem targeting him, all the while Deidara can drop mini C1's to hinder his line of sight with the explosion, and since Kakashi really has no long range variant of his Raiton its not going to be much use for defending.

And no Deidara never fell for genjutsu read the arc again bro...

Lol, please. That was Kakashi's first ever use and you can clearly see the inexperience he had with it. Don't even begin comparing it with the current Kamui he has, which is so quick even Obito doesn't see it.

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Don't compare those two Kamui's. That is like saying Kakashi, Naruto and Sasuke have difficulty beating Zabuza, because a few million chapters ago, Zabuza was temporarily having the upper hand. I didn't say he fell for genjutsu, but he was temporally bested by it. C1 isn't giving Kakashi problems. Raiton beat is a long range variant, and can run into any explosives Kakashi wills.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

I already countered the absence of tobi not being there with deidara being capable of using a clay clone which might be able to plant bombs for him. Regarding the distance although it is 10-15 meters it is not a absolute distance for the entire match as they will be moving around and deidara is bound to set off on his clay bird, to my understanding kakashi has no knowledge that deidara can plant bombs underground unless im mistaken? Sasuke wasn't aware that there was clay bombs underneath until one actually exploded under him which prompted him to use his sharigan to locate them but that doesnt change the fact that sasuke was still boxed into the area with the clay bombs and only became safe when he reached deidara and counter attacked him with the help of his katana. Kakashi has no methods to reach deidara?

I won't deny kakashi can potentially counter the bombs if he can somehow sound out a raiton shockwave through the field to disable the bombs underneath though. Regarding using earth wall or a suiton can indeed block them for a while but it will not diffuse them and deidara has been shown to

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so even if kakashi does block them deidara can force them to follow kakashi cannot he not to my understanding? Regarding clone feints are not always a solution here we need to take into factor of his chakra at the same time but the same can be said about deidara using a feint clay clone.



True I won't deny kakashi is a excellent observer but then again Pain was a much more frightening foe than deidara was so you cannot blame kakashi for taking that route against pain so we can't say that he will take the same route against deidara but I wont deny it is possible. As for the clone taking distracting deidara we can't presume how long it will be capable of lasting against deidara can we? But you do hold a valid point that it can hold off deidara for a short period of time until kakashi finishes his job with the clones underground. But lets say kakashi does take that route? what then?

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You're incorrect on the sauce bit though. Sauce let himself get hit in order to test his theory. He had to figure out whether deidara controlled every bomb specifically or not. (I.e. blowing up the bombs near sauce not tobi even though sauce senbon'd some off them.
Once sauce figured that the mines blew up independently. He stabbed one with the chidori katana. To see if it would detonate. U know the rest of this story.


Both water and earth wall block line of sight. Chances are deidara will send the bombs after kakashi's lightening clone, which inadvertently exposes their weakness.( it be even worse if the clone detonated before the bomb does causing the bomb not to explode due to the elemental advantage)

If a water wall is used the fallout or remaining water can be used for water shark or water Dragon.

 

[NarutoIndra]

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I'm done, son.

 

[Zexion~]

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I'm done, son.

Lmao, didn't know evading=defense ._.

You may want to reconsider that "your done"

Oh didn't see your other post hold up

 

[Champ]

This thread is funny. Being a Kakashi hater I remember some of his fanboys, what a coincidence most of them who are never usually online decide to comment on this thread then mysteriously log out. I never knew they were mostly alt until now. OT: if Deidara doesn't have Obito to plant the explosives he win high diff

 

[Zexion~]

Lol, please. That was Kakashi's first ever use and you can clearly see the inexperience he had with it. Don't even begin comparing it with the current Kamui he has, which is so quick even Obito doesn't see it.

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Don't compare those two Kamui's. That is like saying Kakashi, Naruto and Sasuke have difficulty beating Zabuza, because a few million chapters ago, Zabuza was temporarily having the upper hand. I didn't say he fell for genjutsu, but he was temporally bested by it. C1 isn't giving Kakashi problems. Raiton beat is a long range variant, and can run into any explosives Kakashi wills.

Lmao he still has to charge for Kamui? ....Only difference is that it was off-panel in that fight...

Once Deidara takes flight its over for Kakashi, as even if he could see Deidara theres the added factor that he's above him...so he may only absorb the clay bird....Which Deidara can jump of off and make a new one regardless

Don't know what raiton beat is ._.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Real talk though: All of deidara's tech's EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM involves him putting his hand in his pouch and chewing clay.
At this range kakahi should have no problems blitzing him with raikiri since:

A) diedara can't use his ninjutsu(it would take to long)
B) being a long range fighter his cqc isnt the best
C) if he even attempted to use jutsu it would effectively be tying his hands behind his back since his hands would be in the pouch chewing clay.

 

[sasori345]

Lol still on this? Kakashi win without kamui.

C2 doesn't touch Kakashi, only if he stand still and show himself opening.Doesn't happen. Kakashi has many options, dodges, a raiton clone or simply use the doton underground to be safe ( Deidara and Tobi proved that they're safe underground see manga pages) while Deidara will waste his clay wich make C2 smaller and useless.No way Deidara find where is Kakashi if he use C2 and stay on air.Kakashi can move very fast underground as Tobi did it, even a sharingan and Rinegan user coulnd't detect him nor predict it.

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Since Deidara got owned by shurikens while using C2 something Kakashi can do as well or simply better he can easily reach it with a Raiju Hashiri that has easily 20-30 meter range (Sasuke was limited to 5 meters) and can even be controlled.

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Kakashi has one of the most usefull jutsu used by Tobi and Deidara .

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C4 doesn't work : Kakashi has all what Sasuke had in stronger version and much more usefull jutsus as his doton underground,raikiri etc...

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The key are sharingan, doton, raiton, long range jutsu, intelligence.Kakashi win largely here.

When Deidara used the Suicide Bombing Clone against Team Gai, Kakashi was a bit far from team Gai,

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then Deidara used doton underground and as Kakashi isn't selfish he had to use kamui to protect them instead of do as Deidara by using doton underground.

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Lol even C0 woulnd't make it, doton underground will just make Deidara look like a fool.

Kakashi win mid difficulty without kamui, low dificulty with kamui.

 

[-Sky-]

How on Earth is Kamui useless you guys?

Even if Kakashi can't hit Deidara, he can still absorb any bomb or explosion that would have a chance of killing or severely harming him.

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And Deidara could try larger techniques with Kakashi..

Like this:

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Kakashi's capable of absorbing the 8 Tails:

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It's safe to say he could absorb most of the impact of the explosion, and even if he couldn't, he could just teleport into Kamui realm.

Kamui is an impeccable defense in this fight, and it's also Kakashi greatest fall back option should he stumble against Deidara, and I doubt he'll need it.

Btw, C2 killing a Kamui-less Kakashi is laughable. (._.)

 

[Prince Charles]

How on Earth is Kamui useless you guys?

Even if Kakashi can't hit Deidara, he can still absorb any bomb or explosion that would have a chance of killing or severely harming him.

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And Deidara could try larger techniques with Kakashi..

Like this:

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Kakashi's capable of absorbing the 8 Tails:

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It's safe to say he could absorb most of the impact of the explosion, and even if he couldn't, he could just teleport into Kamui realm.

Kamui is an impeccable defense in this fight, and it's also Kakashi greatest fall back option should he stumble against Deidara, and I doubt he'll need it.

Btw, C2 killing a Kamui-less Kakashi is laughable. (._.)

I agree a kamui Itachi takes this low-med diff.

As for our earlier argument regarding only 3T kakashi apologies for taking long I literally woke up like a hour ago. Tired as fuk.