Clay bombs are blocked with earth wall or dodged via hiding like mole. Our kakashi can negate it completely via throwing a a raikiri kunai at it. I'd imagine beast runner having similar effects as well.
Any land mines or micro bombs are seen via sharingan.
And I didn't even get to the clone feints (that canonically worked on him in the manga) yet.
Regarding using earth wall will only work for long to my understanding it does not cover him from above nor form behind but
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. Using hiding like a mole technique will also only work for so long considering Deidara can also use mines. Regarding kakashi throwing a raiton kunai as a counter that I won't deny is possible but that raikiri kunai will only be able to counter one clay bomb, what about multiple
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? His raiton enhanced kunai will sure not be able to hit all of the clay bombs in time?
True sharigan can see through the earth so kakashi can see the clay bombs planted but then again how do you suppose he deals with them when even sasuke had trouble with them?
Yes, but Deidara's Clay Clones surely couldn't plant mines as fast as Obito with his Kamui could he?
Sasuke didn't have time to stop Obito from planting the mines, but Kakashi in this case should have time to at least stop several mines from being planted.
Yes, but Deidara's Clay Clones surely couldn't plant mines as fast as Obito with his Kamui could he?
Sasuke didn't have time to stop Obito from planting the mines, but Kakashi in this case should have time to at least stop several mines from being planted.
True I won't deny with Tobi's kamui the process was faster but I still believe with a clay clone or maybe even two clay clones deidara may be able to pull it off wouldn't you agree? Surely Kakashi will be too be easy with deidara to keep track of clones using hide like a mole to plant bombs.
Regarding using earth wall will only work for long to my understanding it does not cover him from above nor form behind but
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. Using hiding like a mole technique will also only work for so long considering Deidara can also use mines. Regarding kakashi throwing a raiton kunai as a counter that I won't deny is possible but that raikiri kunai will only be able to counter one clay bomb, what about multiple
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? His raiton enhanced kunai will sure not be able to hit all of the clay bombs in time?
True sharigan can see through the earth so kakashi can see the clay bombs planted but then again how do you suppose he deals with them when even sasuke had trouble with them?
True but then again can't deidara use a clay clone to plant the bombs for him?
According to sky tobi's not here to plant his bombs for him.
I doubt kakashi is gonna stand there and let deidara even pullout his heafty tech's like the clay Dragon. Especially at this range and the fact that he already has knowledge on how deidara's tech's works.
As for the multiple clay bombs you posted water or earth wall can send it back to deidara or block it respectively. Both of which block of deidara's line of sight opening him up for clone feints.
Edit: I don't see how the mines would affect kakashi. He can see them even when he's moving underground. And at this distance clay clones to plant mines shouldn't even be an option for deadara
Well, SM Naruto is not base Naruto, but I consider 3T Sasuke to be base... I guess the definition of base is too vague to be used universally. My bad for not being precise enough. U_U
You mind elaborating on how base 3T kakashi can take this? I am interested in your argument but I see deidara winning in the end due to kakashi's stamina eventually falling apart due to the constant pile of clay bombs aimed at him.
First of all, as I added later, if it's base Kakashi, then it ends in a draw if Deidara suicides, since he has no way to run away from that. But apart from this...
BenjerminGaye pointed out the most important stuff, and since you said you see Kakashi's stamina as a problem, I'll focus on this.
According to what the manga has shown us, Kakashi gets exhausted to a much lesser extent now than he used to. After halving his chakra it took him 6 Kamui and many normal jutsu to finally make him unable to battle.
We restrict Kamui now, but not the stamina that allowed to use Kamui so much. If MS is taken out of the equation, Kakashi will be able to use all the other techniques much more.
That's why I highly doubt stamina would be a factor here.
The only difficulty I see Kakashi having with Deidara would be the fact that he is a long-ranged type and Kakashi has not shown many long-ranged techniques (apart from Kamui, which is restricted, running beast, which doesn't seem to be able to reach flying enemies and water dragon/shark, which are not very good as finishers).
But as soon as Deidara loses sight of Kakashi, you can be almost sure that this opportunity will be used for a bunshin feint. While Deidara then focuses on the clone who emerges from behind, for example, a doton wall, the real Kakashi might use hiding like a mole to attack Deidara's back.
True I won't deny with Tobi's kamui the process was faster but I still believe with a clay clone or maybe even two clay clones deidara may be able to pull it off wouldn't you agree? Surely Kakashi will be too be easy with deidara to keep track of clones using hide like a mole to plant bombs.
Depends on how the fight starts. Kakashi likes to start his battles with Clones and observe his enemies fighting style to deduct counter strategies:
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In that scan though, we can see that the Lightning Clone took half of Kakashi's Chakra, but it was also capable of holding its own against Deva Path. Kakashi could hide from Deidara using Hiding Like a Mole while his clone gathers.. However, I don't think it's quite necessary here.
In this instance, the clone could be used as a distraction for Deidara while the real Kakashi goes underground and defeats the clones planting the mines.
He could distract Deidara by either using his Earth or Water wall techniques, and using it as cover to send out the clone while he himself goes underground.
Pardon me if I'm wrong though, but can Deidara do Hiding Like a Mole?
According to sky tobi's not here to plant his bombs for him.
I doubt kakashi is gonna stand there and let deidara even pullout his heafty tech's like the clay Dragon. Especially at this range and the fact that he already has knowledge on how deidara's tech's works.
As for the multiple clay bombs you posted water or earth wall can send it back to deidara or block it respectively. Both of which block of deidara's line of sight opening him up for clone feints.
Edit: I don't see how the mines would affect kakashi. He can see them even when he's moving underground. And at this distance clay clones to plant mines shouldn't even be an option for deadara
I already countered the absence of tobi not being there with deidara being capable of using a clay clone which might be able to plant bombs for him. Regarding the distance although it is 10-15 meters it is not a absolute distance for the entire match as they will be moving around and deidara is bound to set off on his clay bird, to my understanding kakashi has no knowledge that deidara can plant bombs underground unless im mistaken? Sasuke wasn't aware that there was clay bombs underneath until one actually exploded under him which prompted him to use his sharigan to locate them but that doesnt change the fact that sasuke was still boxed into the area with the clay bombs and only became safe when he reached deidara and counter attacked him with the help of his katana. Kakashi has no methods to reach deidara?
I won't deny kakashi can potentially counter the bombs if he can somehow sound out a raiton shockwave through the field to disable the bombs underneath though. Regarding using earth wall or a suiton can indeed block them for a while but it will not diffuse them and deidara has been shown to
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so even if kakashi does block them deidara can force them to follow kakashi cannot he not to my understanding? Regarding clone feints are not always a solution here we need to take into factor of his chakra at the same time but the same can be said about deidara using a feint clay clone.
Depends on how the fight starts. Kakashi likes to start his battles with Clones and observe his enemies fighting style to deduct counter strategies:
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In that scan though, we can see that the Lightning Clone took half of Kakashi's Chakra, but it was also capable of holding its own against Deva Path. Kakashi could hide from Deidara using Hiding Like a Mole while his clone gathers.. However, I don't think it's quite necessary here.
In this instance, the clone could be used as a distraction for Deidara while the real Kakashi goes underground and defeats the clones planting the mines.
He could distract Deidara by either using his Earth or Water wall techniques, and using it as cover to send out the clone while he himself goes underground.
Pardon me if I'm wrong though, but can Deidara do Hiding Like a Mole?
True I won't deny kakashi is a excellent observer but then again Pain was a much more frightening foe than deidara was so you cannot blame kakashi for taking that route against pain so we can't say that he will take the same route against deidara but I wont deny it is possible. As for the clone taking distracting deidara we can't presume how long it will be capable of lasting against deidara can we? But you do hold a valid point that it can hold off deidara for a short period of time until kakashi finishes his job with the clones underground. But lets say kakashi does take that route? what then?
First of all, as I added later, if it's base Kakashi, then it ends in a draw if Deidara suicides, since he has no way to run away from that. But apart from this...
BenjerminGaye pointed out the most important stuff, and since you said you see Kakashi's stamina as a problem, I'll focus on this.
According to what the manga has shown us, Kakashi gets exhausted to a much lesser extent now than he used to. After halving his chakra it took him 6 Kamui and many normal jutsu to finally make him unable to battle.
We restrict Kamui now, but not the stamina that allowed to use Kamui so much. If MS is taken out of the equation, Kakashi will be able to use all the other techniques much more.
That's why I highly doubt stamina would be a factor here.
The only difficulty I see Kakashi having with Deidara would be the fact that he is a long-ranged type and Kakashi has not shown many long-ranged techniques (apart from Kamui, which is restricted, running beast, which doesn't seem to be able to reach flying enemies and water dragon/shark, which are not very good as finishers).
But as soon as Deidara loses sight of Kakashi, you can be almost sure that this opportunity will be used for a bunshin feint. While Deidara then focuses on the clone who emerges from behind, for example, a doton wall, the real Kakashi might use hiding like a mole to attack Deidara's back.
I already replied to Ben on the matter. But regarding his stamina and chakra of course I would have to agree but in this case it is sort of different since he will have constant bombs on his base for a period of time, sasuke managed to keep up with some of deidara's clay bombs but eventually started to slow down, and if it wasnt for his CM in few cases he had would had been badly injured since he couldnt escape. His stamina will most likely run out quickly here due to the constant moving and etc against the clay bombs.
But as soon as Deidara loses sight of Kakashi, you can be almost sure that this opportunity will be used for a bunshin feint. While Deidara then focuses on the clone who emerges from behind, for example, a doton wall, the real Kakashi might use hiding like a mole to attack Deidara's back.
Not only Kakashi is faster than Sasuke but has also more usefull jutsus and better taijutsu, stronger raiton mastered at perfection to even make raiton clone or a long range shaped raiton controled at distance ( like a mini kirin but not as fast), raikiri ( Sasuke owned Deidara with chidori).Kakashi dodge all of Deidara's attack with his speed or doton moguragakure no jutsu, Deidara used doton moguragakure to survive his big clone explosion.Add the strategy > at Sasuke and the fact that Obito isn't here it's overkill.Deidara is more worried to keep his clay safe, Kakashi has all the time to fight almost 2 days with sharingan.
Not only Kakashi is faster than Sasuke but has also more usefull jutsus and better taijutsu, stronger raiton mastered at perfection to even make raiton clone or a long range shaped raiton controled at distance ( like a mini kirin but not as fast), raikiri ( Sasuke owned Deidara with chidori).Kakashi dodge all of Deidara's attack with his speed and doton moguragakure no jutsu, Deidara used it to survive his big clone explosion.Add the strategy > at Sasuke and the fact that Obito isn't here it's overkill.No need kamui here.
Im curious to how you came to the conclusion that kakashi is faster than sasuke? Foot speed?Shunshin? In terms of what exactly? If shunshin I would have to say most likely sasuke since the manga has portrayed his to be faster. In regards to who has been raiton imo is it most likely sasuke since he has shown overall better variants and better quality in terms of raiton then kakashi.
Im curious to how you came to the conclusion that kakashi is faster than sasuke? Foot speed?Shunshin? In terms of what exactly? If shunshin I would have to say most likely sasuke since the manga has portrayed his to be faster. In regards to who has been raiton imo is it most likely sasuke since he has shown overall better variants and better quality in terms of raiton then kakashi.
It's never stated in manga that Sasuke's shunshin is faster than Kakashi , also Kakashi used Shunshin many times like in Chuunin exam and 2-3 other times.Sasuke couldn't keep up against Bee an v2 mode whereas Kakashi was able to keep up against 6 v2 jins and go as fast as Gai 6th gates open.You can't be slow fighting v2 jins that have rinnegan and sharingan.
Sasuke's all jutsu are based on chidori, there is nothing that Kakashi can't do with his raiton, cut a lighting bolt, raikiri, extend long range,raiton shaped form, raiden,double raikiri, raiton clone.Sasuke isn't there yet, he's still on chidori A rank level and still can't make a raiton clone even if he has kirin, Kakashi is a better and more versatile raiton user than Sasuke.
True I won't deny kakashi is a excellent observer but then again Pain was a much more frightening foe than deidara was so you cannot blame kakashi for taking that route against pain so we can't say that he will take the same route against deidara but I wont deny it is possible.
I was putting that possibility out there just for thought. I don't think Kakashi will resort to such a technique when he's already gone up against Deidara one time.
As for the clone taking distracting deidara we can't presume how long it will be capable of lasting against deidara can we?
The clone took up so much chakra because it lasted as long as it did against Deva. It used Raikiri's and Chidori's and such. In all honesty, it depends on how much Chakra Kakashi himself is willing to put into the clone to fight Deidara.
He's passed through earth relatively quickly with Hiding Like a Mole, so finishing the clones off shouldn't take too long, especially since they're clones.
The clone was able to resist Almighty Pull for a short while:
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And it didn't automatically vanish after getting pierced:
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In fact, it's safe to say that Kakashi's clone could handle the landmines and the real Kakashi distract Deidara. However, it all goes to the same thing.
But you do hold a valid point that it can hold off deidara for a short period of time until kakashi finishes his job with the clones underground. But lets say kakashi does take that route? what then?
If Deidara were to have used the clones to plant land mines, he would have used this dragon to create the mines:
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So by the time Kakashi has finished dealing with the clay clones and the land mines, it's him Vs and airborne Deidara.
By this point, the advantage of having land mines is wasted for Deidara, so he'll use his long range missiles like he did against Sasuke. Sasuke was capable of evading with substitutions and speed, skills in evasion that Kakashi most definitely has shown, and if push comes to shove, Kakashi can warp a missile that he couldn't evade, and as shown recently, his ability with utilizing the Kamui with causing less fatigue has improved considerably, and he used it (give or take) 5 times against Obito.
Deidara's been hit by Kamui:
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-This was before he had learned to control it quite well.
Kakashi also has long range water tech's.
Giant Waterfall:
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Water Dragon:
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While these techniques can be dodged, and most likely will be, they can also be used as methods to draw the enemy within range of Kamui or a ration-based tech to either kill Deidara or knock him out of the air.
Kakashi is capable of using Genjutsu, so he can escape C3. And if Deidara resorts to C4, or survives that long to use it, Kakashi can use S/T to teleport to Kamui realm. (Note that this also works as a counter to C3 if you're not sold on Kakashi's genjutsu ability compared to Sasuke's)
