[Discussion] Sanji vs Smoker

[kibainuzuka]

Sanji's body took a big explosion from Ceasar ( when Nami was in his body ) and still he fought decently with Vergo , which is the same guy who wiped the floor with Smoker

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Im gonna to reply to u tomorrow coz im in mob

 

[Awesome G]

Smoker takes this mid-low difference. Smoker is still by all means strong. The one of the biggest reason Smoker lost to Vergo was because he was trying to get Law's heart back. Sanji probably would've lost against Vergo is they had finished their fight.

 

[kibainuzuka]

Sanji's body took a big explosion from Ceasar ( when Nami was in his body ) and still he fought decently with Vergo , which is the same guy who wiped the floor with Smoker

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Smoker's body got f***** up by Tashigi too and Sanji had to stop the fight with Vergo coz he knew he would get killed,while Smoker prior to fighting Vergo,fought with Law

 

[TheHokage]

Seriously Smoker is the Garp of Luffy's era. Smoker and Zoro are practically the same strength.

Smoker > Sanji.

And lol to those saying Coby is Luffy's main marine rival.

Luffy > Zoro = Smoker > Sanji > Coby.

 

[Fireplay]

Seriously Smoker is the Garp of Luffy's era. Smoker and Zoro are practically the same strength.

Smoker > Sanji.

And lol to those saying Coby is Luffy's main marine rival.

Luffy > Zoro = Smoker > Sanji > Coby.

I never liked that comparison. People assume because Smoker is similar to Garp and Luffy is similar to Roger they'll end up being the main rivals. Luffy and Roger are 2 different people. They have their similarities but Luffy is his own man with his own fate. Luffy is similar to Roger, Law is to WB, Kid is to Shiki but that's where it all ends. His marine rival doesn't have to be the Garpiest guy around.

Just my 2 cents.

 

[Uzumaki Edwin]

Smoker wins lol mid-high diff what's a kick to a cloud of smoke nigga?

sanji has haki and no df so smokers sea stone baton would be useless to sanjis powers

 

[TheHokage]

I never liked that comparison. People assume because Smoker is similar to Garp and Luffy is similar to Roger they'll end up being the main rivals. Luffy and Roger are 2 different people. They have their similarities but Luffy is his own man with his own fate. Luffy is similar to Roger, Law is to WB, Kid is to Shiki but that's where it all ends. His marine rival doesn't have to be the Garpiest guy around.

Just my 2 cents.

In Fairness I was going by more how Luffy and Smoker always seem to be quite similar in strength when they fight and by similar I mean in speed, fighting styles etc...to me I only see Coby as Luffy's friend I don't see him as a threat or rival to Luffy like Luffy will become Pirate King and Coby will eventually become an Admiral (Despite how messed up his growth rate is not to mention how it makes no sense)...while with Smoker and Luffy it just seems more consistent with Smoker turning up to capture Luffy and fighting him before Luffy somehow gets away.

Anyway back onto the thread I Smoker > Sanji (Mid - High diff)

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

I never liked that comparison. People assume because Smoker is similar to Garp and Luffy is similar to Roger they'll end up being the main rivals. Luffy and Roger are 2 different people. They have their similarities but Luffy is his own man with his own fate. Luffy is similar to Roger, Law is to WB, Kid is to Shiki but that's where it all ends. His marine rival doesn't have to be the Garpiest guy around.

Just my 2 cents.

You can dislike the mirrors Oda is clearly trying to set up , but that changes nothing. Smoker and Garps general code of justice and potential peak strength etc. and how they don't give a sh*t about rank are just some similarities. A main similarity between Luffy-Smoker and Roger-Garp is that they have all fought on multiple occasions and nearly killed each other , the Marine characters in both relationships (although they try to hide it) respect the Pirate in the compared relations.

Coby seems to mirror Sengoku, implying that by EOS he will have a history with Law of some kind

 

[Fireplay]

You can dislike the mirrors Oda is clearly trying to set up , but that changes nothing. Smoker and Garps general code of justice and potential peak strength etc. and how they don't give a sh*t about rank are just some similarities. A main similarity between Luffy-Smoker and Roger-Garp is that they have all fought on multiple occasions and nearly killed each other , the Marine characters in both relationships (although they try to hide it) respect the Pirate in the compared relations.

Coby seems to mirror Sengoku, implying that by EOS he will have a history with Law of some kind

It's not that i dislike the mirrors. It's that i dislike how people automatically assume that this has to go like this because it did years ago. The fact of the matter is they're all different people. Roger and Garp were said to nearly kill each other plenty of times. At this point Smoker just seems like someone who wants Luffy's attention but isn't getting any of it. I don't see him bringing Luffy to the brink of death.

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

It's not that i dislike the mirrors. It's that i dislike how people automatically assume that this has to go like this because it did years ago. The fact of the matter is they're all different people. Roger and Garp were said to nearly kill each other plenty of times. At this point Smoker just seems like someone who wants Luffy's attention but isn't getting any of it. I don't see him bringing Luffy to the brink of death.

Fair enough. Of course they won't be identical, the mirrors are the roles and relations between characters and not the characters themselves , even if they share similar personality traits their appearances are mostly different and powers are almost completely different etc.

Who said Garp brought Roger to the brink of death during Rogers prime?

 

[Fireplay]

Fair enough. Of course they won't be identical, the mirrors are the roles and relations between characters and not the characters themselves , even if they share similar personality traits their appearances are mostly different and powers are almost completely different etc.

Who said Garp brought Roger to the brink of death during Rogers prime?

Well since it was said they almost killed each other numerous times i assume that it means they fought each other and brought each other near death.

 

[crono0929]

Fair enough. Of course they won't be identical, the mirrors are the roles and relations between characters and not the characters themselves , even if they share similar personality traits their appearances are mostly different and powers are almost completely different etc.

Who said Garp brought Roger to the brink of death during Rogers prime?

Well, roger said that to garp when he was in the prison....

Roger and garp were friends on different sides, like coby and luffy.

 

[BigGuns Reloaded]

Smoker smokes him

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

Well since it was said they almost killed each other numerous times i assume that it means they fought each other and brought each other near death.

And? Luffy and Smoker did it before. But now Luffy is stronger than Smoker , your point? The same thing could've happened with Roger and Garp.

Well, roger said that to garp when he was in the prison....

Roger and garp were friends on different sides, like coby and luffy.

Uhhh no. Roger and Garp were not friends. They respected each other but that's very different to a friendship.

 

[Fireplay]

And? Luffy and Smoker did it before. But now Luffy is stronger than Smoker , your point? The same thing could've happened with Roger and Garp.

So your saying Smoker and Luffy brough each other to the brink of death numerous times? The only time they fought was in Marineford where Luffy wasn't even able to hit Smoker. Not to mention Smoker never brought Luffy near death and neither did Luffy.

The way Oda is portraying Garp is that he was equal to Roger whereas Smoker is weak-sauce. Smoker ("Garp") got stomped by Law ("Whitebeard"). Until Oda states that Roger is superior to Garp or that Garp is superior to Roger you can't assume that Roger was stronger than Garp.

Keyword being: The same thing could've happened

You don't know that. Don't try to make it fit your agenda when we have no knowledge on such thing.

 

[crono0929]

And? Luffy and Smoker did it before. But now Luffy is stronger than Smoker , your point? The same thing could've happened with Roger and Garp.

Uhhh no. Roger and Garp were not friends. They respected each other but that's very different to a friendship.

Well i did not mean friends like roger and rayleigh, i meant enough trust for roger to tell garp about his wife and son, any other marine would have chased them and killed them, there must be some backstory to it.

 

[Hijey]

The way Oda is portraying Garp is that he was equal to Roger whereas Smoker is weak-sauce. Smoker ("Garp") got stomped by Law ("Whitebeard").

Oda isn't portrayed Garp to be equal to Roger at his strongest. And what? Law didn't stomp Smoker, he barely beat him. What fanfic you reading?

Until Oda states that Roger is superior to Garp or that Garp is superior to Roger you can't assume that Roger was stronger than Garp.

Except that Oda did already make it clear that Roger was stronger than Garp. Whitebeard, who was Roger's only equal, became the strongest man after Roger's death.

 

[Fireplay]

Oda isn't portrayed Garp to be equal to Roger at his strongest. And what? Law didn't stomp Smoker, he barely beat him. What fanfic you reading?

The one where Law took out Smoker with Mid-difficulty.

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I don't recall Law taking any damage during that fight. The closest thing was when Smoker choked him. Which Law easily got out of.

Except that Oda did already make it clear that Roger was stronger than Garp. Whitebeard, who was Roger's only equal, became the strongest man after Roger's death.

Wiki states that WB's title as the strongest man in the world refers to his physical strength. Also his DF could play part in this. Not to mention title is just a title. After Roger's death WB could be considered the strongest (back when he was in his prime) but what's there to say that old WB is still actually the strongest? the only thing he has is his title which will be with him until the day he dies. Anything to prove that Shanks or old Garp for example couldn't beat old WB?

Oda never stated Roger was superior to Garp. All he's been doing is making it look like Garp and Roger were equal. Anything else stated by fans is just speculation and bias. Not to mention even if WB was > Garp that doesn't mean Garp is weaker than Roger. ABC logic never works.

People say because Smoker is the Garp of this era he'll be Luffy's main rival which puts him automatically above Zoro and Sanji. Law ("Whitebeard") stomped Smoker ("Garp") now would WB ever be able to give Garp the same humiliating treatment Law gave to Smoker?

The way i see it...

Roger=Whitebeard=>Garp=Roger (WB might be able to beat Garp due to the match-up)

Law=>Luffy>Zoro>Sanji>Smoker (Smoker hasn't shown anything impressive yet that would imo put him above Zoro and Sanji).

Make a thread if you wish to discuss this because i'm done with the ridiculous argument that Smoker is>Zoro and Sanji because he's "Garp".

 

[Hijey]

The one where Law took out Smoker with Mid-difficulty.

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I don't recall Law taking any damage during that fight. The closest thing was when Smoker choked him. Which Law easily got out of.

So now it changed it from a stomp to a mid difficulty? Good. I don't recall Smoker taking any damage either so I don't know what you're trying to prove with that. Law was also a second from losing the fight as well. Him finishing off Smoker is because of his 1 hit KO doesn't men he is a lot stronger than Smoker.

Wiki states that WB's title as the strongest man in the world refers to his physical strength. Also his DF could play part in this. Not to mention title is just a title. After Roger's death WB could be considered the strongest (back when he was in his prime) but what's there to say that old WB is still actually the strongest? the only thing he has is his title which will be with him until the day he dies. Anything to prove that Shanks or old Garp for example couldn't beat old WB?

Lolwiki. Whitebeard having the title is because of being the only one to be as strong as prime Roger. We also have Sengoku acknowledging him as the strongest even after getting stabbed and his showings in the war further proves he was the strongest even then.

Oda never stated Roger was superior to Garp. All he's been doing is making it look like Garp and Roger were equal. Anything else stated by fans is just speculation and bias. Not to mention even if WB was > Garp that doesn't mean Garp is weaker than Roger. ABC logic never works.

ABS logic works if you are the strongest man. It means there is nobody that can beat you in a mano a mano. So get it thru your head already that Whitebeard being stronger than Garp means Roger was also stronger than him.

People say because Smoker is the Garp of this era he'll be Luffy's main rival which puts him automatically above Zoro and Sanji. Law ("Whitebeard") stomped Smoker ("Garp") now would WB ever be able to give Garp the same humiliating treatment Law gave to Smoker?

Back to the stomping? You seem to think Smoker was the one that was stomped by Law even though it was Tashigi. Oda is portraying Smoker as Luffy's main marine rival. That automatically would put him above Luffy's perverted cook, like it does with Luffy's main pirate rivals. Smoker was also better portrayed against a serious Vergo with his bamboo than Sanji against bamboo less Vergo.

The way i see it...

Roger=Whitebeard=>Garp=Roger (WB might be able to beat Garp due to the match-up)

You see it wrong. Author has it as Roger = WB > Garp but here's a good news, author made it Garp~Roger before Roger was at his peak.

 

[Fireplay]

So now it changed it from a stomp to a mid difficulty? Good. I don't recall Smoker taking any damage either so I don't know what you're trying to prove with that. Law was also a second from losing the fight as well. Him finishing off Smoker is because of his 1 hit KO and not because he is a lot stronger than him.

Can you prove this? Because Manga shows that Law laid the stomp on Smoker. Can't argue against this. Manga shows Law oneshotting Smoker.

wiki. Whitebeard having the title is because of being the only one to be as strong as prime Roger. We also have Sengoku acknowledging him as the strongest even after getting stabbed and his showings in the war further proves he was the strongest even then.

Please show me a scan where Sengoku says "Whitebeard is the strongest man in the world even with that stab in his chest". Your making stuff up. His showing in the war doesn't prove in any way that he's the strongest. His DF is what allowed him to wreck the place up. WB fodderised fodders. Garp is more than fast enough to dodge those quakes. Manga states Garp and WB were the only ones able to match Roger in strength. Arguing against Oda's words is pretty much futile.

ABS logic works if you are the strongest man. It means there is nobody that can beat you in a mano a mano. So get it thru your head already that Whitebeard being stronger than Garp means Roger was also stronger than him.

Lol no it doesn't. Roger=WB. Garp being able to match Roger doesn't mean he could beat WB but at the same time that doesn't mean he's weaker than Roger. It's all about the match-up.

Lets take for example Blastoise (water), Charizard (fire) and Venusaur (leaf). Now these three are equal but lets pit them against someone else. Blastoise (water) vs Blaziken (Fire). Blastoise can beat Blaziken. Venusaur is equal to Blastoise does that mean because Blastoise (water) can beat Blaziken (fire) so can Venusaur (leaf)? No not at all. It's all about the match-up. We don't know what Roger had that matched WB's quakes but even if Garp would lose to WB he could still equal Roger.

Back to the stomping? You seem to think Smoker was the one tht was stomped by Law even though it was Tashigi. Oda is portraying Smoker as Luffy's main marine rival. That automatically would put him above Luffy's perverted cook, like it does with Luffy's main pirate rivals. Smoker was also better portrayed against a serious Vergo with his bamboo than Sanji against bamboo less Vergo.

Yet Oda let Law oneshot Smoker. Law has shown that he's above Sanji, Smoker has done no such thing. How did Smoker do better against Vergo than Sanji? Sanji never lost. Smoker got beat by Vergo and then Law proceeded to oneshot the same guy who beat Luffy's "main marine rival". Now what does that tell you about Luffy's "main marine rival"?

Even if Smoker is Luffy's main marine rival that alone isn't enough to put him above Sanji.

You see it wrong. Author has it as Roger = WB > Garp but here's a good news, author made it Garp~Roger before Roger was at his peak

Whatever helps you sleep at night.