Attempting to clear up some misconceptions about the Databook

[3MESSIAH]

The reason it's still 5 even though it should be multiple times that of Kakashi, the max number is 5. Think of it like a computer program that records numbers, but the max number capable of being put in the computer is 5. Eve nif you are higher than 5, it'll be, by default, a five because it doesn't go higher than that.

yeah i get you,that is why i call the databook bullshit....

because it`s just some numbers that dont describe the actual strength of the individual in an even remote accuracy

 

[oShux]

databook sucks...character`s speed and power cant be put into those numbers.for instance lets say kakashi has speed 4,5......then minato should have 10 not 5......lol

Basically this^

 

[Gyakusetsu]

It was correct for that moment.

 

[Wolfus]

And has there been anything to debunk statements like Susano'o needs Ama and Tsuki.

Well, there is sasuke's statement, and the fact that madara never displayed amaterasu. And what about susanoo comming with yata and totsuka? That was not true. And some others that I don't remember as well. Just read my 1st post. I'm not saying that we shouldn't disconsider the databook, but we analyse it in a smarter way, and not just accept it as truth just like mindless zombies.

 

[Punk Hazard]

yeah i get you,that is why i call the databook bullshit....

How does that make it bullshit?

 

[Wolfus]

but it doesnt make it false either. the manga as contradict it self far to many time not everything utter from a character mouth is fact have the time they're just either arrogant or ignorant.

It doesn't make it true. Yeah, what you said about the chars is true. That's what I'm saying. I'm not saying that we shouldn't disconsider the databook or char's statements, but we analyse it in a smarter way, and not just accept it as truth just like mindless zombies..

 

[Vandenre1ch]

oudated doesnt means false naruto part 1 is outdated are you saying we should just toss out the first series ? just because of one paradox?

Your assuming too much. All I was saying was that everything in the databook shouldnt be takin too seriously.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Well, there is sasuke's statement, and the fact that madara never displayed amaterasu. And what about susanoo comming with yata and totsuka? That was not true. And some others that I don't remember as well. Just read my 1st post. I'm not saying that we shouldn't disconsider the databook, but we analyse it in a smarter way, and not just accept it as truth just like mindless zombies.

Alright, lemme break this down 1 by 1.

What does Sasuke know? He had Mangekyo Sharingan for what, a few days before he made that statement? He also had no access to the Uchiha Stone Tablet, so he couldn't possibly have enough info on MS to have a credible word. So what he said is out.

To Madara not showing Amaterasu, the absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence. Just because he hasn't shown it, that doesn't mean he can't use it.

OK, that debunks Susano'o coming with Yata and Totsuka, and ONLY that. That doesn't debunk a thing of its requirements, it only creates doubt, not confirm anything. And until the opposite is confirmed, what is said about Susano'o's requirements stand.

 

[take it easy]

im used databook only for count base stat,

 

[-Spoiler-]

Well, there is sasuke's statement, and the fact that madara never displayed amaterasu. And what about susanoo comming with yata and totsuka? That was not true. And some others that I don't remember as well. Just read my 1st post. I'm not saying that we shouldn't disconsider the databook, but we analyse it in a smarter way, and not just accept it as truth just like mindless zombies.

sasuke statement. who should you believe the most sasuke who never seen the uchiha tablets and dont know the full extent to the uchiha's visual prowess? or itachi who spend most of his time reading up on all of those stuff? and madara hasnt shown all of the rinnegan powers that nagato use are you going to say he doesnt possess those either? and yata and totsuka they were explained as spiritual weapons not that they came with every susanoo orochimaru was searching for totsuka and he doesnt have susanoo

 

[-Punk-]

The Databook is BS , people should not take everything that is there seriously but sadly they don't .

 

[Byakusharinnegan]

The Databook is BS , people should not take everything that is there seriously but sadly they don't .

...You know...Sometimes you infuriate me. It's not even just this post, a lot of your posts just make me scratch my head and think, "What?"

 

[Wolfus]

Alright, lemme break this down 1 by 1.

What does Sasuke know? He had Mangekyo Sharingan for what, a few days before he made that statement? He also had no access to the Uchiha Stone Tablet, so he couldn't possibly have enough info on MS to have a credible word. So what he said is out.

To Madara not showing Amaterasu, the absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence. Just because he hasn't shown it, that doesn't mean he can't use it.

OK, that debunks Susano'o coming with Yata and Totsuka, and ONLY that. That doesn't debunk a thing of its requirements, it only creates doubt, not confirm anything. And until the opposite is confirmed, what is said about Susano'o's requirements stand.

First, that might be true, however, sasuke is not dumb either, and he understands the powers he is using.
And what about madara, the fact that he never displayed tsukuyomi or amaterasu, not a single time, does create doubt. It doesn't disprove the statement, but it makes it questionable. It doesn't stand as an ultimate truth anymore.

And you're still not getting the point of my posts. I don't have a problem with the susanoo thing, that's only one of the many statements in the databook. One, which I barely care about. There are many others more problematic. Reead my 1st post in this thread.

 

[Bronze]

I agree with you to some extent but not fully.

Databook is a source of information of the Naruto series for us to use in either debates or theories or just for extra information to understand the manga better. However there are statements in the DB that contradicts and creates flaws.

Databook actually states facts but at the same time it exaggerates so much to the point where people say its BS. Its not. Exaggerates simply makes it sound too powerful but in reality its not that. For example, Yata being capable of blocking everything on its path while it kamui destroys anything on its path which are contradictions.

You don't take them too serious but they are true to some extent.

 

[3MESSIAH]

How does that make it bullshit?

say we get databook stats for juubito.his speed would be 5.now how in earth would kakashi`s speed be 4,5? that would mean he is nearly as fast as juubito.but he isnt.not even close.

i went too far to call it bullshit...but it still isnt a good way to estimate character`s rank and power

 

[Wolfus]

sasuke statement. who should you believe the most sasuke who never seen the uchiha tablets and dont know the full extent to the uchiha's visual prowess? or itachi who spend most of his time reading up on all of those stuff? and madara hasnt shown all of the rinnegan powers that nagato use are you going to say he doesnt possess those either? and yata and totsuka they were explained as spiritual weapons not that they came with every susanoo orochimaru was searching for totsuka and he doesnt have susanoo

All of this is explained in my comment above.
And the yata and totsuka, you are correct. However, it was stated in the databook that it comes with susanoo. That's the problem.

 

[Rikudo Ero Sennin]

Read the databook description about Yata Mirror.

Read the databook description about Kamui.

Complete contradiction and the databook is pretty outdated.

i agreeeeeeeee

 

[-Spoiler-]

First, that might be true, however, sasuke is not dumb either, and he understands the powers he is using.
And what about madara, the fact that he never displayed tsukuyomi or amaterasu, not a single time, does create doubt. It doesn't disprove the statement, but it makes it questionable. It doesn't stand as an ultimate truth anymore.

And you're still not getting the point of my posts. I don't have a problem with the susanoo thing, that's only one of the many statements in the databook. One, which I barely care about. There are many others more problematic. Reead my 1st post in this thread.

he's not dumb but clearly he didnt know alot of things about the uchiha's power its not like when awaken ms it comes with a manual and as i said madara hasnt shown all the rinnegan powers either but that doesnt mean he doesnt have them

 

[Οdin]

But there are things that are impossible to be hyperbole, such as Susano'o requiring Amaterasu and Tsukiyomi.

Well... Sasuke, a noob to the Mangekyō Sharingan, said that you only require a double Mangekyō and not Ama and Tsu to be able to awaken Susano'o, so I guess it must be true. ( '_') *Sarcasm*

Edit: Ah... it's already being discussed. :|

 

[Wolfus]

he's not dumb but clearly he didnt know alot of things about the uchiha's power its not like when awaken ms it comes with a manual and as i said madara hasnt shown all the rinnegan powers either but that doesnt mean he doesnt have them

As I said, it creates doubt. It makes us question the statement. It doesn't necessarilly disprove it, but we shouldn't just take it blindly as the truth, as there are events that can make the statement doubtful.
Madara's rinnegan is another problem. So many OP techs, and why doesn't he use it? Can he use it? Maybe he mastered it in a different way than nagato? I don't really know, so it stays as doubt for the momment.

OT: And besides, it seems that it does come with a manual, The guy gains MS and is instantly able to use amaterasu and tsukuyomi and susanoo. He even knows how to activate it. I've always wondered about the sharingan. Once the user achives it, he is instantly able to use it easily, activate it, deactivate it, use the genjutsu, and etc.