SM vs CM

[Johndoesknowall]

SM is given because the user draws in natural energy? Yall retarded lmfao I'm done

Read the thread then state, otherwise you just look stupid. SM is given because of the use of an external power source.

 

[Sapiens Sequax Sex Semita]

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Naruto original ability is the ability to absorb. Nature gives him the enhancements and improvements. It's and external source or power.
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"You are completely wrong at bold. The sharigan only copies the technique plus it's your original power and only uses your original power. Same as with learning stuff from a scroll. If what you are learning from a scroll requires nothing but your original power then then it will become your original power once learned."

so by that reasoning since narutos original ability allowed him to absorb and learn to control it, then the enhancements it gives becomes his original power right?


the way i see it the scroll is = to the nature energy's enchantments

 

[Aya San]

Read the thread then state, otherwise you just look stupid. SM is given because of the use of an external power source.

SM is given because the user draws in natural energy? Yall retarded lmfao I'm done

@Bold .

 

[Johndoesknowall]

"You are completely wrong at bold. The sharigan only copies the technique plus it's your original power and only uses your original power. Same as with learning stuff from a scroll. If what you are learning from a scroll requires nothing but your original power then then it will become your original power once learned."

so by that reasoning since narutos original ability allowed him to absorb and learn to control it, then the enhancements it gives becomes his original power right?


the way i see it the scroll is = to the nature energy's enchantments

I see what you did, but you tried and failed. lol.

If he did read a scroll about the use of SM, it would tell him that it would require the use of Natural energy which is an external source of power which refutes you statement.

 

[Johndoesknowall]

@Bold .

You stated that I said it was given because the user draws in natural energy. I stated in the thread it's given because of the use of natural energy. Absorbing natural energy is an original ability, but when you use natural energy then it becomes a given because you are using an external source of power and not original.

I hope this cleared things up.

 

[Narutoga]

Only the first person who was given chakra, it was then a given power. Everyone one else born with it, it is apart of their originality. Also anyone can absorb natural energy.(Toad oil, natural ability, etc.) It's controlling it and other requirements that's the problem.

without an enhancer like toad oil, no one can absorb the energy, in exception of preta path, the first step naruto to was to learn how to absorb it with oil without petrifying, the second step was to absorb it without oil and balance it, not anyone can absorb nature energy

 

[Sapiens Sequax Sex Semita]

I see what you did, but you tried and failed. lol.

If he did read a scroll about the use of SM, it would tell him that it would require the use of Natural energy which is an external source of power which refutes you statement.

well im glad you see it because i dont

and by scroll = nature energy enhancements i didn't mean he learned from a scroll
i meant that they both are in a way external power sources waiting to be tapped and turned into the users original power but i can see we are not gonna agree on this so ill leave it at that. twas a good debate, at least, i enjoyed it XD

 

[KidGamer65]

Sage Mode is far above Curse Mark.

-Sage Mode is the result of the user drawing in Nature Energy and balancing it with their chakra, boosting Nin, Tai, and Genjutsu along with reactions, durability and it gives sensing.

-Curse Mark absorbs the user's chakra while replacing it with some of Orochimaru's Senjutsu chakra, which produces the same boost in the above categories but in a lesser degree. CM users don't even get enhanced perception or sensing ability, though the rest go up.

 

[Aya San]

You stated that I said it was given because the user draws in natural energy. I stated in the thread it's given because of the use of natural energy. Absorbing natural energy is an original ability, but when you use natural energy then it becomes a given because you are using an external source of power and not original.

I hope this cleared things up.

Draws in natural energy, meaning draws in external power source, meaning u r utilizing external power source. If you can't even get that from my original post, now you do

 

[Johndoesknowall]

without an enhancer like toad oil, no one can absorb the energy, in exception of preta path, the first step naruto to was to learn how to absorb it with oil without petrifying, the second step was to absorb it without oil and balance it, not anyone can absorb nature energy

I think you are not reading my thread. I have already stated that it varies between people how they absorb natural energy. But anyone can absorb natural energy. (toad oil, natural ability, etc.)

 

[Narutoga]

jugoo but your your point still stands

juugo is inborn, and for those using curse seal, the senjustu is absorbed by the seal and not the person

 

[Smd]

Many in the base only base their logic and facts off of what others say without giving any thought to the subject at hand.

I believe most of you would say SM is an original power and CM is a power given(talking about Orochimaru's modified version of CM).

Well you would be right about CM but not SM, not entirely anyway. SM can be categorized as both original and given power based on the details of the topic. But it weighs more on the side of given power.

SM requires the ability to absorb chakra, anyone can learn how to absorb chakra, the problem is controlling it. Anyway the reason for it being put in both categories is because of it's requirements. You need to absorb natural energy and then use it.

Absorbing natural energy is the users original power, since anyone can do it under the right conditions. (toad oil, or natural ability)

Using the external energy gathered is what makes it a given power since you are using nature's energy and not your original strength. So if you had to decide whether it's given or not, you would have to say that SM is a given power.


So to clarify SM is the usage of an external use of power therefore it is a given power. The only original power you have related to the technique is the ability to absorb natural energy. All of the enhancements and improvements come from an outside source being given to you.

Also for those who might say, what was the point of this thread? It is to show that SM weighs more on the given power side same as CM and not original.

If you agree, good. If not then state why and back up your reasoning. For I will back up mines if not proved wrong.

i agree in a way they are both given powers.

Although to completely gain CM power imo there are more risk.


Once your given/forced the CM you cant decide that you dont want it.

Unlike SM, Naruto could have heard about all the powers and then heard about the part about turning into a statue or a frog then decided not to do it.

see what im saying.

 

[Johndoesknowall]

well im glad you see it because i dont

and by scroll = nature energy enhancements i didn't mean he learned from a scroll
i meant that they both are in a way external power sources waiting to be tapped and turned into the users original power but i can see we are not gonna agree on this so ill leave it at that. twas a good debate, at least, i enjoyed it XD

Well when you use only your original power to learn a technique from a scroll that requires and uses nothing but your original power. Then it is not given. This is a better way of understanding it.

jugoo but your your point still stands

LOL

Sage Mode is far above Curse Mark.

-Sage Mode is the result of the user drawing in Nature Energy and balancing it with their chakra, boosting Nin, Tai, and Genjutsu along with reactions, durability and it gives sensing.

-Curse Mark absorbs the user's chakra while replacing it with some of Orochimaru's Senjutsu chakra, which produces the same boost in the above categories but in a lesser degree. CM users don't even get enhanced perception or sensing ability, though the rest go up.

I don't think you read the thread, I'll let you get back to that.

Draws in natural energy, meaning draws in external power source, meaning u r utilizing external power source. If you can't even get that from my original post, now you do

When drawing in a external power source it doesn't mean you are utilizing the external power source. Not yet anyway. It just means you are absorbing it. Your only utilizing your ability to absorb the external power source.

Example would be Preta path pain. He can absorb external power sources but it does not me he is utilizes the external power source, the only thing he is using is his ability to absorb the external power source.

Another EX: SM, requires the use of natural energy, external power source, Given.

 

[KidGamer65]

I don't think you read the thread, I'll let you get back to that.

lmao, my bad.

 

[Aya San]

When drawing in a external power source it doesn't mean you are utilizing the external power source. Not yet anyway. It just means you are absorbing it. Your only utilizing your ability to absorb the external power source.

Example would be Preta path pain. He can absorb external power sources but it does not me he is utilizes the external power source, the only thing he is using is his ability to absorb the external power source.

Another EX: SM, requires the use of natural energy, external power source, Given.

Wrong, for SM drawing in natural energy is already utilizing it since it lets you go into SM. It passively makes you more durable, you don't have to perform a jutsu to utilize this external power

 

[Seventh Sama]

sm isn't a borrowed power, dude. naruto didn't friggin received it out of nowhere. he worked his ass off to master sm....

 

[blazekev90]

CM Given? Orochimaru only have this to promising individuals (earned) and there are chances of dying obtaining the seal! One has to train to use CM properly, this isnt just a tag that looks pretty.

Both require training.

 

[Johndoesknowall]

i agree in a way they are both given powers.

Although to completely gain CM power imo there are more risk.


Once your given/forced the CM you cant decide that you dont want it.

Unlike SM, Naruto could have heard about all the powers and then heard about the part about turning into a statue or a frog then decided not to do it.

see what im saying.

A given power can be handed or forced upon you such as the nine tails forced upon Naruto and it also doesn't matter about the risk much. It only matters if it's your original power.

CM has a requirement to die to unleash it's full power, but that power isn't yours to begin with anyway. So basically you die to use a power given to you that's not your original power to begin with.

 

[Aya San]

You still don't understand that absorbing natural energy is an original ability and when you use it, then you are using given powers. When Naruto is absorbing he is using his original ability, when he starts to utilize the natural energy and enhance and improve himself he is using a given power.

I know absorbing is an original ability. What I mean is that when you draw in (which is original) ur already utilizing the power source already. Jesus

 

[Johndoesknowall]

I know absorbing is an original ability. What I mean is that when you draw in (which is original) ur already utilizing the power source already. Jesus

Good then you agree that when they are utilizing it whether it's when they are absorbing or after they're done that they are using an external power source/given powers.