Gaaras sand>Susano'o (Physical attacks; shots fired at Sakura/Tsunade Fans)

[TheTailedSage]

This.......
As you can see gaara was able to block Sasunno sword with relative ease. Then multiple Sasunno swords where add, and the sand did do it's job (it protected gaara and stopped the sword from percing through). Now yes the sand did fall after, but then again, what defense wouldnt (hell I defiantly can't see Sasunno tanking five Sasunno swords).
The thing there are always hater/die hard fans...... People fail to realize how powerful Gaara's sand is, not only is it powerful, reliable, durable, but it is also automatic and doesn't take much chakra (depending on the amount and usage). The sand that gaara uses is infused with his chakra that makes it even more powrful that regular sand that he picks up from the surrounding area. It has already been shown that the Sand can tank heavy and destructive forces, just like the images above, it stopped Sasunno from slashing/perching through the sand ( five of them ).
If someone was to punch through the sand such as tsunade, it would create hole with in the sand (or breach the wall) however the sand would crush the arm and or grab it to give an opening. That sand is also not like Sasunno, the sand is not generalized in one specific area (such as the Sasunno) the sand can deployed all over the battle feild at any range with mulipule and powerful blows/wave/shield etc.

The sand is stronger then Sassuno....... You are naive if you think other wise.

The less sand their is the weaker the shield. Of course if he were to find a way to make it even more dense then Mass may not matter in the long run. I agree

Susanoo seems to be more akin to a sheet of metal or a substance without tensile plasticity because it shatters. Since sand has the capacity to diffuse the impact through all the sand grains it should technically cope better with an impact type attack such as tsunades punch.

Exactly thats my point, it has to ability to replenish faster due to its flexibility

 

[Bieber]

Definitely not more durable than Susanoo, but I agree with the rest.

 

[GrayParadise]

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[TheTailedSage]

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Raiton>>Sand thats why he was able to peirce it and this is part 1 gaara. should have read the thread before commenting. And whats more funny is now your going to get a warning for spamming images LOL

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Definitely not more durable than Susanoo, but I agree with the rest.

Only if he has the sand to make it more durable than susano'o. Throw a rock at glass and it shatters or cracks, throw a rock at sand and it makes a hole that is refilled by more sand or if its dense it will make a tiny dent then will again fill it with more sand.

 

[Oblivionx]

great thread bro...! agreed...!

 

[blood hound]

The less sand their is the weaker the shield. Of course if he were to find a way to make it even more dense then Mass may not matter in the long run. I agree


Exactly thats my point, it has to ability to replenish faster due to its flexibility

You should take a lOok at the image again...... Tell me what do you see???

Look at the Sand, its not very thick now is it!!! Now look at Gaara's back, gaara didn't even use his special sand which is not only stronger but also faster then the normal sand that he uses from the surrounding area. Also because it is sand it doesnt need to be dense. You and a few people have said it already it absorbs impact! Even if it is as thin as a curtain it would still Create
a good shield and be durable /reliable (of course it won't be able to tank powerful things, but it defiantly would help).
Also what people seem to forget that the same thing applys to the Sasunno, it depends on how much chakra/stamina/endurance the user has and giving to create the Sasunno.

 

[TheTailedSage]

You should take a lOok at the image again...... Tell me what do you see???

Look at the Sand, its not very thick now is it!!! Now look at Gaara's back, gaara didn't even use his special sand which is not only stronger but also faster then the normal sand that he uses from the surrounding area. Also because it is sand it doesnt need to be dense. You and a few people have said it already it absorbs impact! Even if it is as thin as a curtain it would still Create
a good shield and be durable /reliable (of course it won't be able to tank powerful things, but it defiantly would help).
Also what people seem to forget that the same thing applys to the Sasunno, it depends on how much chakra/stamina/endurance the user has and giving to create the Sasunno.

For this you get plus rep. the way gaara has made the sand incredibly dense is amazing however if its moves like TBB it requires more sand. For Tsunades fist only he sand in the scan, maybe less, is needed to block it. That scan only enforces my point about Sand being a resourceful and better shield. You have understood my logic and made minor elaboration.

great thread bro...! agreed...!

Thanks mate

 

[Shura]

I agree that Gaara's Suna would be more than capable of tanking Tsunade's or Sakura's attacks considering that it did tank the Shī Surī. [

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] However, your 'Gaara's Suna > Susano'o' statement is a little too much, don't you think? Unlike the Susano'o, Gaara's Suna is weak to piercing based Raiton attacks [

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] which is indeed a physical attack and that alone basically makes Susano'o the better defense.

Furthermore, the Bājon Tsū Susano'o was capable of tanking something as powerful as Kirin [

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] which managed to completely destroy something as huge as the Uchiha hideout [

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] and Kirin itself could be compared to Deidara's Shī Surī [Even though the Shī Surī is indeed superior]. I doubt that Gaara's Suna is a better defense than the Bājon Fō Susano'o.

However, like I stated, I do agree with your thread. Gaara's Suna is capable of tanking their punches. Tsunade fans are delusional and they tend to bring up ridiculous statements. I don't know in which fanfiction did they read that Tsunade's punch would be capable of getting to Gaara while his Suna is protecting him. Tsunade's only chance against Gaara is if Gaara slips and breaks his neck.

Excellent thread.​

 

[GrayParadise]

Raiton>>Sand thats why he was able to peirce it and this is part 1 gaara. should have read the thread before commenting. And whats more funny is now your going to get a warning for spamming images LOL

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What's even funnier is it's only considered spamming if your posts contain no content that contributes to the thread and/or the said image is considered innappropriate or rude

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And give me manga proof where it states Raiton>Sand

 

[TheTailedSage]

I agree that Gaara's Suna would be more than capable of tanking Tsunade's or Sakura's attacks considering that it did tank the Shī Surī. [

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] However, your 'Gaara's Suna > Susano'o' statement is a little too much, don't you think? Unlike the Susano'o, Gaara's Suna is weak to piercing based Raiton attacks [

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] which is indeed a physical attack and that alone basically makes Susano'o the better defense.

Furthermore, the Bājon Tsū Susano'o was capable of tanking something as powerful as Kirin [

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] which managed to completely destroy something as huge as the Uchiha hideout [

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] and Kirin itself could be compared to Deidara's Shī Surī [Even though the Shī Surī is indeed superior]. I doubt that Gaara's Suna is a better defense than the Bājon Fō Susano'o.

However, like I stated, I do agree with your thread. Gaara's Suna is capable of tanking their punches. Tsunade fans are delusional and they tend to bring up ridiculous statements. I don't know in which fanfiction did they read that Tsunade's punch would be capable of getting to Gaara while his Suna is protecting him. Tsunade's only chance against Gaara is if Gaara slips and breaks his neck.

Excellent thread.​

Not at all. You said it yourself, its raiton based and this and oil is the only elemental weakness it has. As i discussed with Waltz Susano'i is chakra based and doesn't have a chakra nature making it better in that aspect unlike Sand which has a weakness to raiton. Ill use th esame example i used a little while back: throw a rock at a glass house hard enough and it cracks or shatters (the house representing Susano'o) but if you were to throw it at a condensed sand house it may get stuck in the house, make a small dent or crack it, adding gaaras ability to it the damage will regen upon impact if it is damaged in anyway. Susano'o is more brittle than sand sheild. As someone showed earlier Gaaras sand is able to withstand piercing attacks from multiple susano'o sword from a close range.

As you saw sand is able to withstand C3 with is village buster and it definitely wont tank Kirin due to elemental disadvantage. If it were any other element then it just may. Tsunade and sakura fans are annoying me and seems that a large portion of them are illogical (there are some logical ones). Just read what FemmeFatte said earlier on on how they breach Sand sheild.

Thanks mate

 

[xxSAGExx]

no just no

op- you convently left out the part that he was ajinchurkin and had field advantage in that case.


W/o all that kimmiaro broke thur his sand.


Also i cant tell if this thread is about gaara vs a uchia or gaara vs sakura tsunade

if its the first case his sand is weaker than v2.

Gaara didn't use the 1 tails in his fight with Deidara, he made that big shield to block Deidara's C3 by himself. Kankuro was telling their old sensei that Gaara wouldn't use the Bijuu power cause he won't endanger the people.

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That was all Gaara, he is kage level based.

I need to make it clear to everyone that Gaaras sand shield is more durable that Susano'o when it comes to impact damage e.g. Tsunades punches.

Ive seen people saying that if tsunade is able to crack susano then Tsunade or Sakura > Sand sheild. This is not the case whatsoever and its very bland logic because if you look at things logically Gaara can thicken the sand shield due to the sands abundance. Susano'o have layers e.g. V1, V2, Final and the Susano'o gets more durable with each layer but apply this logic with the sand sheild, Gaara can make the shield more thicker at will ultimately making it more resistant to impact moves.

Ill use the Kage submit scenario as an example. Let me remind you im only using this as an example to show he CAN add sand during an enemy attack, the facts that its non canon means nothing in this case:

Gaara Adding sand

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Here we can see Gaara adds sand to his defence in order to compensate for the lack of sand needed to defend from the sword. He can easily do this by default by making a a 1 meter thick wall against someone who is attacking him via physical damage. An example. If Tsunade were to punch Gaara he can apply this and ultimately block any attack she throws at him. Even taking a gated punch from Gai, he could block the impact.

The capability of Sand shield and a manga example of thickening sand:

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Yes Gaara Needs a super abundance of sand to do so but the Principle is the sand has the potential to block this calibur of jutsu

Of course a thin layer of sand couldn't cut it and of course he needed more sand to block the Explosion and this is why this particular defence is more durable against blasts and Physical attacks.

and for certain people looking for errors in the title *no names* to make it more clear once again this depends on the abundance of sand Gaara possesses at the time, i don't mean on his persons. The thread relying solely on the principle.

If sand cracks you simply add more sand

Nice post, I like Gaara and want to see more of him on offense like in part 1 or against Deidara. Another thing Gaara can do is make a sand storm/get sand in their eyes, which would make them pull back on their attack. If your feet is on the ground too long then Gaara would just turn the minerals in the ground into sand and cover you in sand as he did to Kimmimaru so even before it gets to the impact, Gaara has ways to prevent said impact.

I think it would be a good defense if Gaara only made the spot where the attack is target to go in soft but the rest hard so if, say, Sakura fist is going to hit, it goes thru the sand but she can't follow thru because the rest of the sand is hard and won't let her past. From here Gaara would surround her in an instant and use sand coffin. Same for if it's a sword attack, he just have to have the sand shield wide enough so he can' be hit.

For a piercing attack, do you think Gaara should start of his shield soft and have it get more dense as the attack goes into the sand so it slows down and weakens the attacks? Of course it depends on the amount of sand he has but Gaara can easily make sand from the ground as he did in part 1 and Part 1 Gaara said himself "...But if I have Sand I can do anything" I thought he was Badass there haha

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[TheTailedSage]

What's even funnier is it's only considered spamming if your posts contain no content that contributes to the thread and/or the said image is considered innappropriate or rude

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And give me manga proof where it states Raiton>Sand

Hahahah!!!!! what even MORE funnier is that you think Sand is superior to raiton attacks.

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this is how i know your a rooky at naruto.

Raiton>>>>Doton now if you need me to show you a scan of elemental weakness then that's your que to stop commenting.

Sand is made up of earth and mineral front he ground, gaara just controls it so therefore the sand is Doton based.

Nice post, I like Gaara and want to see more of him on offense like in part 1 or against Deidara. Another thing Gaara can do is make a sand storm/get sand in their eyes, which would make them pull back on their attack. If your feet is on the ground too long then Gaara would just turn the minerals in the ground into sand and cover you in sand as he did to Kimmimaru so even before it gets to the impact, Gaara has ways to prevent said impact.

I think it would be a good defense if Gaara only made the spot where the attack is target to go in soft but the rest hard so if, say, Sakura fist is going to hit, it goes thru the sand but she can't follow thru because the rest of the sand is hard and won't let her past. From here Gaara would surround her in an instant and use sand coffin. Same for if it's a sword attack, he just have to have the sand shield wide enough so he can' be hit.

For a piercing attack, do you think Gaara should start of his shield soft and have it get more dense as the attack goes into the sand so it slows down and weakens the attacks? Of course it depends on the amount of sand he has but Gaara can easily make sand from the ground as he did in part 1 and Part 1 Gaara said himself "...But if I have Sand I can do anything" I thought he was Badass there haha

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Thank you and LOOL exactly, thats what i was trying to explain to certain people but ignorance was strong within them. Sand tsunami pretty much solos them. Its a bad match up.

Gaara could definitely do this and its a manga fact he can change the density of sand at will. Gaara is intelligent enough to implement this tactic and seeing as Tsunade and Sakura aren't very fast it will be easier to anticipate. Exactly, he got his father with the same hand grab technique lol Tsunade ain't escaping shiz

 

[fastrthnwind]

Gaara has the potential to make a very strong defense with vast amount of sand from the environment, however, most poeple only refer to his gourd sand when refering to his "sand defense". So in actuality, according to the potential of his ability to use extraneous sand from the environment as part of his defense is what really makes it so strong, not his gourd sand.

 

[Bieber]

Only if he has the sand to make it more durable than susano'o. Throw a rock at glass and it shatters or cracks, throw a rock at sand and it makes a hole that is refilled by more sand or if its dense it will make a tiny dent then will again fill it with more sand.

Exactly, only if he has more which he still need to manipulate with chakra. I just don't see Gaara pulling off the durability feats that Perfect Susano'o has, such as taking X amount of hits in from Shin Sūsenju. If Gaara had enough sand and was a jinchūriki there could be a possibility of doing such, but even then I don't see it happening.

 

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What's even funnier is it's only considered spamming if your posts contain no content that contributes to the thread and/or the said image is considered innappropriate or rude

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And give me manga proof where it states Raiton>Sand

raiton>doton the sand is earth element since gaara crushes rocks to make more sand :| chidori was the first element attack to piece gaara's sand what manga have you been reading?

 

[YellowFang]

Definitely Sand is more durable to impacts than Susanoo...
But in case of multiple impacts, if interval between impacts is quicker than Sand's thickening speed... It's useless

 

[Dantee]

In terms of taking damage Susanoo is a much better caliber of defence than Sand. Susnaoo is always ready while sand needs to be gathered to take more direct hits. Of course Depending on the amount of sand the higher the defense, so something like a mere punch can be slowed down from a distance. However depending on the extreme power of the jutsu no amount of sand will protect Gaara so something like a TBB, or a punch from Tsunade at close, or even Hidoura cannot be tanked with just mere sand. Then of course there is PS where even I believe something like Tsunades punch can do minimum damage to it. Furthermore Susanoo can also repair itself or add layers for the next stage of Susanoo similar to your statements with sand in this thread.

Like all things however each jutsu has it's weakness like Raiton > Gaaras sand or oil.. Susanoo has a blind spot from under however imo Gaaras sand is much less capable than Susanoo. Susanoo has never been sucessfully broken through in a 1 v 1 to harm the user. While Gaaras has been broken multiple of times.

 

[blazekev90]

Looks like Waltz ended it

I hate pointless post like this. What's the point of it??

 

[TheTailedSage]

Exactly, only if he has more which he still need to manipulate with chakra. I just don't see Gaara pulling off the durability feats that Perfect Susano'o has, such as taking X amount of hits in from Shin Sūsenju. If Gaara had enough sand and was a jinchūriki there could be a possibility of doing such, but even then I don't see it happening.

If Gaara does manage to pull off PS defence that's taking extreme density an durability. As it stands currently he would need a bit more sand than what he had while blocking susano'o swords but keeping in mind hes still 16 this man also has the potential to be even better. It only took him two years to get o where he is now from the chunin exams. With shikaku i'm not going to say its PS defence but that would definitely rival with V3-V4 Susano'o at best with a limited amount of sand. Although its logical to say currently that with limited amount of sand currently, he is roughly a solid V3 susano'o

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Definitely Sand is more durable to impacts than Susanoo...
But in case of multiple impacts, if interval between impacts is quicker than Sand's thickening speed... It's useless

I understand your point since susano'o is already up it can be breached with the correct speed but the defence of the actual sand like you said is more durable.

In terms of taking damage Susanoo is a much better caliber of defence than Sand. Susnaoo is always ready while sand needs to be gathered to take more direct hits. Of course Depending on the amount of sand the higher the defense, so something like a mere punch can be slowed down from a distance. However depending on the extreme power of the jutsu no amount of sand will protect Gaara so something like a TBB, or a punch from Tsunade at close, or even Hidoura cannot be tanked with just mere sand. Then of course there is PS where even I believe something like Tsunades punch can do minimum damage to it. Furthermore Susanoo can also repair itself or add layers for the next stage of Susanoo similar to your statements with sand in this thread.

Like all things however each jutsu has it's weakness like Raiton > Gaaras sand or oil.. Susanoo has a blind spot from under however imo Gaaras sand is much less capable than Susanoo. Susanoo has never been sucessfully broken through in a 1 v 1 to harm the user. While Gaaras has been broken multiple of times.

Just as YelloFang said. Susano'o is constantly up which makes it an all rounder and both defences have their drawbacks. But this thread is to basically say that the defence itself in terms of receiving damage is better because of the material.

no amount of sand will protect Gaara so something like a TBB, or a punch from Tsunade at close, or even Hidoura cannot be tanked with just mere sand.

It tanked a C3 which is a village buster technique and its arguably on TBB level as i proved on the opening of the thread, it blocked multiple susano'o swords at close range so taking Tsunades punch at close range isn't anything to worry about. His sand is automatic. To say Hidoura cant be tanked by sand is a speculation because this is just dense air so i don't see how this would be breaching Sand defence its basically a enhanced Tsunade punch. Susano'o shatters and takes more chakra to repair than sand. ive even stated that Susano'o has layers in the thread. Read the rest of the posts, people have made the same claims and they are good points but ive countered them

 

[paratise]

I hate pointless post like this. What's the point of it??

Looks like blazekev90 ended this.

OT: Yeah sand is a "flexible" defense, therefore it has certain advantages compared to other "still" defenses, it can change its focal points in terms of density and thickness at Gaara's will.