Edo BM Minato VS Edo Madara

[Bogard]

Minato won't win. Madara is portrait as the most powerful one along with Hashirama. EMS with PS, Mokuton and all Rinnegan technique on the scale of the meteor.

Well first of all, portrayal has nothing to do in battledome. Secondly, let's not forget Minato lost an arm in this battle and it's not nothing? Even without it, he performed quite well i'd say against a much stronger opponent than Madara or Hashirama, so i can't imagine a BM Minato with both arms available

 

[Oblivionx]

Only person out of the Hokages who is on Madara's level is the shodaime.. hence why the "Shodaime vs Madara" was taking place to keep Madara out of it.

that fear of hashirama getting soloed after edo madara....! XD
yeah hashirama was fighting madara because he already stated that obito was too good for him to put up a resistance....! did you forget that ***** face he made??? lol :snick:

 

[Bogard]

lastly mokuton draws out the life-force from naruto's kcm and bm cause naruto has yang kyuubi and yang is the basis of physical energy and life-force whereas minato has yin kyuubi which is the exact opposite so mokuton cant draw out anything

Care to elaborate more on this one? I'm pretty sure the wood takes chakra rather than life force

 

[Unorthodox]

madara could also use his Susanoo arms to throw back bijuu damas susanoo his susanoo has 6 arms bijuu dama barrage is about 5

Minato got an arm ripped off and fodderized by god tree he didnt do shit actually its was naruto & sasuke

Edo hashirama would have done much better

 

[Bronze]

the bijuu mode is tough as shit as it can take its own bijuu dama at point blank range and come out unscathed

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minato can teleport bijuu damas to any of the kunais that he spreads out

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this essentially means that madara wont be able to absorb or catch them as minato will simply teleport to any kunai a little distance away from mokuton hands or madara but the large AoE will still destroy anything within the range

lastly mokuton draws out the life-force from naruto's kcm and bm cause naruto has yang kyuubi and yang is the basis of physical energy and life-force whereas minato has yin kyuubi which is the exact opposite so mokuton cant draw out anything

What BS is this. Yin kyuubi still has chakra and mokuton absorbs chakra. FTG are made from Minato's chakra. So if they are absorbed then no TBB being teleported.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Seriously the idiots who think Minato is beating Madara is so amusing. I will be posting why Madara can just play around with Minato like the gokage.

1-Madara's counters for flying thunder god

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As we know, its Minato's signature move and it serves him good purposes in most battle, however its useless to a foe like Uchiha Madara. Why is that?

-Minato's FTG are mainly on his kunai in which he throws them on the battlefield first

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This allows him to teleport anywhere to those kunai, but giving the amount of power house Madara has, it will be useless. Not only Madara can just create a village sized mokuton:

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But as well as rinnegan techniques:

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And even meteor:

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-Mokuton gives Madara the ability to absorb chakra. That means when kunai comes in contact with mokuton, the marks are absorbed due to them being created from Minato's chakra

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This is proven that when god tree absorbed the mark in Naruto, Minato couldn't teleport to the young Uzumaki:

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FTG will be useless to Madara's mokuton.

2-Minato's Kyuubi and Bijuu mode

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As we know, Minato's has the Yin of kyuubi, so he can access to the same amount of power Naruto can access to. However we know Naruto in BM could not stand up to Madara as proven here:

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Madara can use his overwhelming mokuton powers against BM Minato suppressing the kyuubi's powers completely.

Or Madara can use this method:

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By stabbing Minato, he can send his chakra to Minato's own chakra and take control of him, and through that he can do this:

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This makes Minato's kyuubi chakra very useless.

3-Madara's counters for Rasengan and TBB

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They are the main fire power to Minato but they are useless to Madara's rinnegan and mokuton since Madara can either absorb them or repel them or just tank them with his susanoo.

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Madara's perfect susanoo slashes are much faster than the charging time of TBB. When Minato is about to charge TBB, Madara uses the slashes of PS to disturb them:

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This will make the TBB explode to Minato's face and kills him. So TBB are useless.

I don't why people Minato think he stands a chance against Madara but Madara is invincible to any but Juubi SO6P.

I didn't read all but you pull out a point that I want to address something. Fuijutsu cannot be absorb. I made a thread concerning Danzo but the same can apply to any Fuijutsu, Ill quote:

Concerning Sealing Technique ​

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• 1. Absorbing: I have seen someone argued before, that characters with the ability to absorb chakra, are able to do it to Sealing Technique. It seems that this is false. Sealing is one of the exceptions of being cancel through absorption because of the way it "acts". It has the ability respond through certain commands/demands and even used to counter/block Chakra itself. The best evidence, to avoid elaboration, would be Killer Bee's
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  . We know that when physical contact is made in absorption, any chakra-based/used chakra should be eaten up. That whole fight was demonstrated in Kisame vs Bee and you can see it in SM Naruto vs Pein. If absorbing the seal is possible would mean that the seal for Naruto and Bee should of been broken, thus removing their tail beast from their bodies. Thus said, Sealing Jutsu CANNOT be absorbed.

 

[Oblivionx]

What BS is this. Yin kyuubi still has chakra and mokuton absorbs chakra. FTG are made from Minato's chakra. So if they are absorbed then no TBB being teleported.

FTG absorbed???? you mean seals from kunais????

 

[Ababeel]

Hashirama stated that he can use Jukai kutan to catch TBB from Juubi [

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Minato shoots and Madara uses Jukai kutan and throws back at him.

Cool, so you value the statements?
In this case, Minato said he will defeat obito (who's stronger than both Hashi & Madara)

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So, he will defeat the weaker foes as well.

 

[Bronze]

I didn't read all but you pull out a point that I want to address something. Fuijutsu cannot be absorb. I made a thread concerning Danzo but the same can apply to any Fuijutsu, Ill quote:

The seal mark is created from Minato's chakra. Madara has rinnegan and mokuton to absorb chakra. The seal mark in contact with either will absorb the marks rendering FTG useless.

This explains why Minato couldn't teleport to Naruto's location when god tree absorbed his chakra [

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[End of Days]

Care to elaborate more on this one? I'm pretty sure the wood takes chakra rather than life force

i should say yang chakra

i dont think mokuton techniques can absorb just any chakra, the god tree absorbed naruto and minato's mega tbb but hashirama had to resort to redirecting the tbbs, he also never tried to absorb perfect susanoo

 

[Strict]

Portrayal is important. Because Shodaime was said to be the only one to beat Madara on several occasions.

With the PS, Mokuton and Rinnegan, Madara will devastate the surroundings to such an extent, that FTG Kunai will mean nothing. Having all powers Nagato had means Shinra Tensei which blows up a village, further he has multiple meteorites, the perfect Susanoo which can bust mountain ranges and Mokuton, which can cover the entry battlefield. As an Edo, without any drain of Chakra.

Shinra Tensei repels any Bijuudama, as they proved not to explode when they are a) caught (Wood Golem) or b) repelled with brute force (Naruto). PS proved it can tank a Bijuudama effortlessly, and Preta-Path is known for sucking up any form and amount of Chakra. Like the Mokuton can suppress Chakra and Bijuu.

It's obvious that Madara has the upper hand here.

 

[Bronze]

Cool, so you value the statements?
In this case, Minato said he will defeat obito (who's stronger than both Hashi & Madara)

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So, he will defeat the weaker foes as well.

First, V1 Juuobito isn't stronger than Hashirama nor Madara.
Second, i didn't value statements so far fool.

 

[Ababeel]

The seal mark is created from Minato's chakra. Madara has rinnegan and mokuton to absorb chakra. The seal mark in contact with either will absorb the marks rendering FTG useless.

This explains why Minato couldn't teleport to Naruto's location when god tree absorbed his chakra [

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Lots of fanfiction.

In that case why Kurama's seal on Naruto's stomach was not broken when Prata parth was absorbing his chakra?
Or when the wooden Dragon did so?

Preta path was stated to be able to absorbed the Ninjutso, not the sealing jutsu.
Or else, Madara would have been able to absorbed Gaara's tag seals as well.

 

[Bogard]

i should say yang chakra

i dont think mokuton techniques can absorb just any chakra, the god tree absorbed naruto and minato's mega tbb but hashirama had to resort to redirecting the tbbs, he also never tried to absorb perfect susanoo

After thinking about it you may be right. It absorbs life force instead, could explain why the wood dragon failed to absorb Kyubi's Bijuudama here(bottom middle panel) [

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[Ababeel]

First, V1 Juuobito isn't stronger than Hashirama nor Madara.
Second, i didn't value statements so far fool.

1- You seem to love your fansiction, no?

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2- Good, so Madara can do nothing to any TBB with his wood.

 

[Bronze]

Lots of fanfiction.

In that case why Kurama's seal on Naruto's stomach was not broken when Prata parth was absorbing his chakra?
Or when the wooden Dragon did so?

Preta path was stated to be able to absorbed the Ninjutso, not the sealing jutsu.
Or else, Madara would have been able to absorbed Gaara's tag seals as well.

Preta path was absorbing senjutsu chakra not the seal. So as wood dragon.

Sealing jutsu is still classified as ninjutsu. Gaara's sand isn't actual ninjutsu. He can absorb the chakra from the sand but not the sand itself. Sand didn't have any seal at that time.

Pathetic indeed.

 

[Bronze]

1- You seem to love your fansiction, no?

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2- Good, so Madara can do nothing to any TBB with his wood.

1-You're using words yourself right now fodder debater. V1 Juuobito has nothing on senjutsu shinsuusenju.

2- Jukai kutan.

 

[Oblivionx]

i should say yang chakra

i dont think mokuton techniques can absorb just any chakra, the god tree absorbed naruto and minato's mega tbb but hashirama had to resort to redirecting the tbbs, he also never tried to absorb perfect susanoo

After thinking about it you may be right. It absorbs life force instead, could explain why the wood dragon failed to absorb Kyubi's Bijuudama here(bottom middle panel) [

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yeah....! that seems very plausible...! but it can also be called plot....! and since we are following plot so again very plausible....!

 

[Ababeel]

1-You're using words yourself right now fodder debater. V1 Juuobito has nothing on senjutsu shinsuusenju.

2- Jukai kutan.

Again, not sure if you're trolling, or just too stupid to comprehend.

 

[Strict]

Mokuton doesn't absorb any Ninjutsu..it just suppresses Chakra.. But Gakido does absorb any form and amount of Chakra. Shinra Tensei repels Bijuudamas, the PS repels them as well. Shinra Tensei repels Kunai on a larger scale, PS destroys the surroundings and makes the Kunai disappear under rubble. FTW covers the battlefield and the Kunai in a forest and uses pollen. In a surrounding out of Mokuton, Madara will have the advantage. He can merge with the surroundings, send out a bunch of Mokuton Bunshin which can use the originals Jutsu, like Preta-Path. And if Minato intents to destroy the forest, Madara can use one again.