It isn't just me saying that. He uses a sword , always has that sword and also has two swords on his Jolly Roger. Do you need more evidence? Do you need somebody to say "oh by the way he's a swordsman"?
Tons of people use swords and several jolly rogers have swords on them, and still those characters aren't considered swordsmen. Sure, by the technical definition of the word they are swordsmen, but in the OPverse its been made clear that "swordsman" is a very specific term for characters who pride themselves on their swordsmanship and have unique swords or sword styles. For a swordsman a sword is more than just a weapon, but to a lot of characters they are just weapons. From what we've seen there's nothing to suggest that to Shanks a sword is more than just a weapon or that he prides himself on his swordsmanship. Its very possible that to him its just a tool. So IMO until its specifically stated that Shanks is a swordsman within the manga, there's no reason to think Mihawk's WSS title includes him.
That said, its also possible that everything you guys have been saying is true and that he is a full fledged swordsman and Mihawk is stronger. But the problem is at this point that's still just speculation. Really with what we have so far its impossible to tell either way.
How can it be the same? I am saying that there's a chance that Mihawk can equal him with Haki. It's not possible for Shanks to match Mihawk in skill and strength with a sword ; hence why he is the one with the title and not Shanks.
Iam saying the same thing ...There is a chance for Shanks to be a better Haki user yet u r ignoring it for the sake of u r argument & yet using the same "chance" to support u r argument...
So Shanks (who never wanted a DF) now has the Kami Kami no Mi making him a God, right?
U r ignoring my point ...I siad Shanks might pull something but that something =/= DF & I never said that he had a DF...
At that point in the story we had only seen Kizaru very briefly and all we knew was he could kick at light speed and was the admiral with the Light Light fruit. Shanks on the other hand: we have seen him use Haoshoku Haki, and only every carrying a sword and mostly drinking. From this we gather that based upon the fact we have seen him use a sword twice that he is skilled in Swordplay and it is his main form of combat.
Same with Shanks..we haven't seen him fighting anyone & iam sure we have learned more about Kizaru than Shanks during that fight....
Kuzan used a sword too. Not very skillful and to be honest Kizaru just used his speed in the sword fight in order to hold Rayleigh back , he was just swinging his sword. No technique from either admiral. Luffy has used a sword too... Does this make him a swordsman? No. Because he doesn't commonly practice and train in that combat style and use of the weapon.
Yes he is not skilled that's he managed to keepup with Dark king since he is not a stronge opponent...
And Vista seemed to me to be about as strong as Marco. Pretty much admiral tier as he was the only fighter throughout the whole war who could hold their own against Mihawk. What significance does Zoro have?
I don't remember saying anything about Vista's strength ...Zoro a fodder SM is one of the famous SM in the world yet Shanks had no popularity as a SM....Kaido the beast /strongest beast..WB :strongest man..Mihawk : WSS...Grap : fist
What is Shanks...?
Yes ,WB cap's are Admiral tiers that's y all of them together managed to stop Akainu from attacking Luffy right..?
And Sanji (a strong martial artist) has not been labeled as one. For someone to be something they do not have to be labeled. He has been officially classed as a swordsman. It isn't just me saying that. He uses a sword , always has that sword and also has two swords on his Jolly Roger. Do you need more evidence? Do you need somebody to say "oh by the way he's a swordsman"? Did you think that if Caeser said Magellan was weak that Magellan automatically became fodder? It doesn't work like that. Oda has shown Shanks is a swordsman and has even drawn a Jolly Roger with two swords on it.
I don't remember Ignoring the fact that Shanks is a SM...he is a skilled SM but my point is he is smthing more than a SM...
Whitebeard only used his Bisento to extend his reach so he could use the punching technique on the end of the blade via slashes or Jabs. His main power is the Gura Gura no Mi, he fights with the Gura Gura no Mi most of the time. He uses two combat styles but we have consistently seen Shanks only use one. Swordsmanship.
What if it is Same with Shanks..? what if he uses SM to some extent & could use Physical strength or Pull smthing else with his Haki..? ... we barely knw anything about him ...
Shanks lost an arm. Mihawk knew he would win and therefore did not want to fight as the battles would be unfair. It's like a swimming race between two olympic rivals ; however one lost a limb in an accident (and therefore loses most of their balance and power in their strokes etc.). So going by that logic would a man with two arms beat a man who once had two arms (with similar strength) who had lost one.
Tons of people use swords and several jolly rogers have swords on them, and still those characters aren't considered swordsmen. Sure, by the technical definition of the word they are swordsmen, but in the OPverse its been made clear that "swordsman" is a very specific term for characters who pride themselves on their swordsmanship and have unique swords or sword styles. For a swordsman a sword is more than just a weapon, but to a lot of characters they are just weapons. From what we've seen there's nothing to suggest that to Shanks a sword is more than just a weapon or that he prides himself on his swordsmanship. Its very possible that to him its just a tool. So IMO until its specifically stated that Shanks is a swordsman within the manga, there's no reason to think Mihawk's WSS title includes him.
That said, its also possible that everything you guys have been saying is true and that he is a full fledged swordsman and Mihawk is stronger. But the problem is at this point that's still just speculation. Really with what we have so far its impossible to tell either way.
Can't explain better than this & this what Iam trying to prove from the beginning...Thanks man
@others : It is pretty much useless to argume with u guys since u don't want to acknowledge what this dude (& me) siad....Everything I want to say is same as this^^ & iam done here ,since it is nothing but wast of time for me as well as u....
Tons of people use swords and several jolly rogers have swords on them, and still those characters aren't considered swordsmen. Sure, by the technical definition of the word they are swordsmen, but in the OPverse its been made clear that "swordsman" is a very specific term for characters who pride themselves on their swordsmanship and have unique swords or sword styles. For a swordsman a sword is more than just a weapon, but to a lot of characters they are just weapons. From what we've seen there's nothing to suggest that to Shanks a sword is more than just a weapon or that he prides himself on his swordsmanship. Its very possible that to him its just a tool. So IMO until its specifically stated that Shanks is a swordsman within the manga, there's no reason to think Mihawk's WSS title includes him.
That said, its also possible that everything you guys have been saying is true and that he is a full fledged swordsman and Mihawk is stronger. But the problem is at this point that's still just speculation. Really with what we have so far its impossible to tell either way.
Shanks who is a Yonko who can go toe to toe with WB with ease would take on Mihawk with medium difficulty
Do you seriously think a fighter as capable as Mihawk would try to test himself against WB just for nothing ??? He knew that there is hell lot difference in strength between himself and WB when he used his strongest slash
And as for Shanks he was just like boss he made Akainu retreat like it was nothing n BB when he saw Shanks he knew it will damage him the most if he fought Shanks who didn't even flinch before challenging WB n Sengoku
Such as? Oh and if you didn't notice Zoro's Jolly Roger also has swords. Keen swordsmen seem to have swords in their jolly rogers. And uhh please refrain from walls of text. They're boring as hell.
and still those characters aren't considered swordsmen. Sure, by the technical definition of the word they are swordsmen,
Which characters? And you pretty much just agreed with me.
but in the OPverse its been made clear that "swordsman" is a very specific term for characters who pride themselves on their swordsmanship and have unique swords or sword styles.
A la Shanks. Using his sword consistently in combat, persistently dueling with Mihawk in the past.
For a swordsman a sword is more than just a weapon, but to a lot of characters they are just weapons. From what we've seen there's nothing to suggest that to Shanks a sword is more than just a weapon or that he prides himself on his swordsmanship.
We haven't seen Mihawk take pride in his Kokutou Yoru. He's clearly not a swordsman to you then is he?
Its very possible that to him its just a tool. So IMO until its specifically stated that Shanks is a swordsman within the manga, there's no reason to think Mihawk's WSS title includes him.
"Lucy" was stated to be a swordsman. I guess Luffy is a swordsman now. Right?
That said, its also possible that everything you guys have been saying is true and that he is a full fledged swordsman and Mihawk is stronger. But the problem is at this point that's still just speculation. Really with what we have so far its impossible to tell either way.
It's also speculation and low level debating when the opposition say that splitting the sky would hurt Mihawk and Haoshoku Haki would one shot him. Providing no evidence of any kind in any form of media. Not only that but they make up feats for Shanks for arguments sakes e.g. he's faster than Mihawk. Based off of what? I don't know. But I would've thought that you would see which
side is clearly winning and already won. It's possible to tell by powerscaling as to who would win.
NOo you're not. You've been saying Shanks has stronger Haki off of no solid basis.
There is a chance for Shanks to be a better Haki user yet u r ignoring it for the sake of u r argument & yet using the same "chance" to support u r argument...
I am not ignoring it since I left room for the fact he may be better. If I said Mihawk is certainly equal in Haki then this statement would be true. But I haven't. I said most probably because there is a high likelihood. Your side has been making things up for arguments sakes including you anyways. And still you're losing.
U r ignoring my point ...I siad Shanks might pull something but that something =/= DF & I never said that he had a DF...
Make your points clearer because it doesn't help when I acknowledge the exact point you just defined ; only to then say it's not the point before repeating what I've said.
Same with Shanks..we haven't seen him fighting anyone & iam sure we have learned more about Kizaru than Shanks during that fight....
He used light speed to keep up with and overpower him.
I don't remember saying anything about Vista's strength ...Zoro a fodder SM is one of the famous SM in the world yet Shanks had no popularity as a SM....Kaido the beast /strongest beast..WB :strongest man..Mihawk : WSS...Grap : fist
What if it is Same with Shanks..? what if he uses SM to some extent & could use Physical strength or Pull smthing else with his Haki..? ... we barely knw anything about him ...
Yes. However a consistent rivalry between Shanks and Mihawk would be deeply affected. Mihawk even stated he no longer has the desire to fight Shanks because of his arm.
Zoro won't fight Mihawk even if he is 10X weaker than Mihawk & it is same for Shanks & Mihawk....
The world's strongest swordsman is obviously > A ginger swordsman. And lol at using him being able to tango with WB as some sort of evidence go around his title
- Me arguing (not even serious) about a signature
- you denying your god complex
- Powerscaling (based on nothing)
- Shanks obviously trained with his sword, because you said so
- Blackbeard obviously not training with his guns, because you said so.
- proving one of my points that beating the WSM doesn't make you the next WSM
- your statements and ESTIMATIONS about mihawk having haki, ok I see
And then you tell me I live in a state of denial, that's pretty impressive even for someone with a god complex like yourself, that you really thought you made a point in that post but actually didn't counter a single one with facts.
It's all speculation and power scaling, but before I take anything from you I rely on Oda, I think his hints are clear enough who is the stronger one of the two.
Everything Rinne said is true. Stop being butthurt and come up with something better. If you're gonna be dumb enough and say Mihawk doesn't have haki, I too could be dumb and say we've seen opponents without haki defeat other opponents and that having haki is not an autowin. And lol at WB stomping Akainu. I guess that means Zoro stomped Mr.1
Shanks who is a Yonko who can go toe to toe with WB with ease would take on Mihawk with medium difficulty
Do you seriously think a fighter as capable as Mihawk would try to test himself against WB just for nothing ??? He knew that there is hell lot difference in strength between himself and WB when he used his strongest slash
And as for Shanks he was just like boss he made Akainu retreat like it was nothing n BB when he saw Shanks he knew it will damage him the most if he fought Shanks who didn't even flinch before challenging WB n Sengoku
Nobody is dumb enough to say Mihawk>>Shanks. It's been made pretty clear that they are on the same level and that Mihawk is a little stronger. Everything you just said is just lol worthy
Kizaru used Swordsmanship to fight Dark king & fought WB with his normal fighiting style both are strong opponents ..now tell me Kizaru is a SM or just a random fighter with OP DF...?
WB can overpower Mihawk with his Haki even without using his DF......
Kizaru is a devil fruit user who has excellent swordsmanship, he isn't restricted to swordsmanship being a DF user like these two guys.
Funny. You were saying awhile ago that Shanks, Mihawk, Dragon could beat WB but now you changed your mind all of a sudden? WB without his devil fruit and just using a sword is not beating Mihawk. But hey let's say he could, that means he can also beat someone weaker than Mihawk e.g. Shanks.
Luffy admired Shanks & Zoro did the same with Mihawk ..u can't change the fact ..For Luffy Shanks is more imp than PK...What does PK being above Shanks level has to do with this..? it is like saying that Mihawk is irrelevant since Zoro is going to be future PK's first mate ...
How can u say that someone as strong as Shanks can't be a PK..?
There is no need for Luffy to be as strong as Roger to become a PK & Luffy never said that he want to Surpass Roger /want to be as strong as him but he want to surpass Shanks ..Character of Shanks woult be useless by that logic...
No it isn't. Being PK is Luffy's ultimate goal and being WSS is Zoro's ultimate goal. Shanks is just a guy who inspired Luffy to become a pirate. This is a shonen and Luffy is the main character. He is obviously going to reach the level of prime Roger/Whitebeard, if not surpass them, which is stronger than Old/sick WSM WB who was stronger than everyone else including Shanks.
Sanji may fough a stronger opponent but he can't cross his limits at Haki just bcoz of a stronger opponent .How can u say that Sanji/anyone would use high level Haki against someone aloth stronger than him & will use low level Haki against someone only abit stronger /weaker than him .......
What I'm saying is better feats when we have little to go by doesn't equal to being better. The point is, Shanks can be better at haki but it won't matter because at the end of the day haki is a supplement that boosts your fighting style.
U r ignoring manga just bcoz it is against u r logic ...If Zoro is serious about killing Nami then it is impossible for Nami to escape from Zoro even with a little aid from others .....right...?
And you aren't using logic here. How many seconds can Nami last against a serious Zoro? I can count them with 1 hand. It's the same with Luffy. I mean, did you skip Kizaru vs the SN?
The world's strongest swordsman is obviously > A ginger swordsman. And lol at using him being able to tango with WB as some sort of evidence go around his title
Everything Rinne said is true. Stop being butthurt and come up with something better. If you're gonna be dumb enough and say Mihawk doesn't have haki, I too could be dumb and say we've seen opponents without haki defeat other opponents and that having haki is not an autowin. And lol at WB stomping Akainu. I guess that means Zoro stomped Mr.1
Nobody is dumb enough to say Mihawk>>Shanks. It's been made pretty clear that they are on the same level and that Mihawk is a little stronger. Everything you just said is just lol worthy
Kizaru is a devil fruit user who has excellent swordsmanship, he isn't restricted to swordsmanship being a DF user like these two guys.
Funny. You were saying awhile ago that Shanks, Mihawk, Dragon could beat WB but now you changed your mind all of a sudden? WB without his devil fruit and just using a sword is not beating Mihawk. But hey let's say he could, that means he can also beat someone weaker than Mihawk e.g. Shanks.
No it isn't. Being PK is Luffy's ultimate goal and being WSS is Zoro's ultimate goal. Shanks is just a guy who inspired Luffy to become a pirate. This is a shonen and Luffy is the main character. He is obviously going to reach the level of prime Roger/Whitebeard, if not surpass them, which is stronger than Old/sick WSM WB who was stronger than everyone else including Shanks.
What I'm saying is better feats when we have little to go by doesn't equal to being better. The point is, Shanks can be better at haki but it won't matter because at the end of the day haki is a supplement that boosts your fighting style.
And you aren't using logic here. How many seconds can Nami last against a serious Zoro? I can count them with 1 hand. It's the same with Luffy. I mean, did you skip Kizaru vs the SN?
Agreed with everything except I think Kizaru lacks skill in swordsmanship. Much like Kuzan does. They can create swords from their element and swing them around ; but they aren't potent with the swords.
Such as? Oh and if you didn't notice Zoro's Jolly Roger also has swords. Keen swordsmen seem to have swords in their jolly rogers. And uhh please refrain from walls of text. They're boring as hell.
Which characters? And you pretty much just agreed with me.
A la Shanks. Using his sword consistently in combat, persistently dueling with Mihawk in the past.
We haven't seen Mihawk take pride in his Kokutou Yoru. He's clearly not a swordsman to you then is he?
"Lucy" was stated to be a swordsman. I guess Luffy is a swordsman now. Right?
It's also speculation and low level debating when the opposition say that splitting the sky would hurt Mihawk and Haoshoku Haki would one shot him. Providing no evidence of any kind in any form of media. Not only that but they make up feats for Shanks for arguments sakes e.g. he's faster than Mihawk. Based off of what? I don't know. But I would've thought that you would see which
side is clearly winning and already won. It's possible to tell by powerscaling as to who would win.
Nobody forced you to read my post. And if you think a short paragraph is a "Wall of text" then please, stick to picture books.
Jolly Rogers with swords:
-Baroque Works (headed by Croc, no swordsmen in the organization)
-Giant Warrior Pirates (Headed by Dorry and Brogy, Dorry does use a sword may be a swordsman, Brogy uses an axe)
-Brownbeard Pirates (Brownbeard does have a sword, but has been shown using various weapons, also half crocodile now...)
-Flying Pirates (Headed by Den Dekken, fishman, DF user, used axes and knives more than swords (if he ever did use a sword, can't recall))
-Epoida Pirates (Headed by Epoida, DF user, carries a lance)
-Palms Pirates (Headed by Palms, most likely a swordsman)
-Killer's Personal Jolly Roger (Uses twin scythes)
-Emproio Ivankov's Jolly Roger (DF user, no weapons)
So there you go, some examples of characters who use a jolly roger with swords, but are not swordsmen. A jolly roger with a sword on it is not conclusive proof that the character who sails under that jolly roger is a swordsman.
Mihawk doesn't take pride in his sword or swordssmanship? What manga are you reading? When he chose to use his knife against Zoro it was because he didn't think Zoro was worthy of being killed by his sword. That's him showing pride in his sword/swordsmanship. After Zoro impressed him with his conviction he used his black sword and referred to it as the "world's strongest sword". So explain how he wasn't taking pride in it.
Honestly, just read this chapter:
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That's what it means to be a swordsman in One Piece. It isn't as simple as carrying a sword.
Nobody forced you to read my post. And if you think a short paragraph is a "Wall of text" then please, stick to picture books.
Jolly Rogers with swords:
-Baroque Works (headed by Croc, no swordsmen in the organization)
-Giant Warrior Pirates (Headed by Dorry and Brogy, Dorry does use a sword may be a swordsman, Brogy uses an axe)
-Brownbeard Pirates (Brownbeard does have a sword, but has been shown using various weapons, also half crocodile now...)
-Flying Pirates (Headed by Den Dekken, fishman, DF user, used axes and knives more than swords (if he ever did use a sword, can't recall))
-Epoida Pirates (Headed by Epoida, DF user, carries a lance)
-Palms Pirates (Headed by Palms, most likely a swordsman)
-Killer's Personal Jolly Roger (Uses twin scythes)
-Emproio Ivankov's Jolly Roger (DF user, no weapons)
So there you go, some examples of characters who use a jolly roger with swords, but are not swordsmen. A jolly roger with a sword on it is not conclusive proof that the character who sails under that jolly roger is a swordsman.
Mihawk doesn't take pride in his sword or swordssmanship? What manga are you reading? When he chose to use his knife against Zoro it was because he didn't think Zoro was worthy of being killed by his sword. That's him showing pride in his sword/swordsmanship. After Zoro impressed him with his conviction he used his black sword and referred to it as the "world's strongest sword". So explain how he wasn't taking pride in it.
Honestly, just read this chapter:
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That's what it means to be a swordsman in One Piece. It isn't as simple as carrying a sword.
It's difficult for him to grasp certain concepts due to his arrogance. Just ignore him for now and wait till we actually get evidence about Shanks & Mihawk.
How is this even dif from what u have been doing to prove that Shanks is a pure SM..?
I am not ignoring it since I left room for the fact he may be better. If I said Mihawk is certainly equal in Haki then this statement would be true. But I haven't. I said most probably because there is a high likelihood. Your side has been making things up for arguments sakes including you anyways. And still you're losing.
Make your points clearer because it doesn't help when I acknowledge the exact point you just defined ; only to then say it's not the point before repeating what I've said.
If u think Shanks is a pure SM based on that then Mihawk is only abit stronger than Vista based on Vista vs Mihawk ... & is obviously weaker than Shanks....
He used light speed to keep up with and overpower him.
My point is that he /anyone else never considered him as a pure SM that's y he is not famous as a SM ....Unlike Mihawk or any other SM ..his sword is nothing more than a weapon for Shanks...
Two admiral tiers (Marco and Vista) and then Two high VA tiers (Jozu and Ace) and then the rest are as strong as Smoker.
yes. However a consistent rivalry between Shanks and Mihawk would be deeply affected. Mihawk even stated he no longer has the desire to fight Shanks because of his arm.
No it isn't. Zoro fought Mihawk in the East Blue, he was about one 10th the strength he is now. And he's still fodder to Mihawk.
Iam not saying he is Kind ....Iam saying that he is a type of guy who puts Pride above Everything else. ...& Mihawk won't fight someone with single arm even if he is 10X stronger than Mihawk bcoz of his pride...
We dont knw that Kizaru is skilled at using swords untill his fight with DK & we dont knw wether Shanks is a pure SM or not untill we knw more about him...
Funny. You were saying awhile ago that Shanks, Mihawk, Dragon could beat WB but now you changed your mind all of a sudden? WB without his devil fruit and just using a sword is not beating Mihawk. But hey let's say he could, that means he can also beat someone weaker than Mihawk e.g. Shanks.
I said that his Haki is superior that dosen't mean that he can win...he can't use it efficiently even if had superior Haki since he is to old....
No it isn't. Being PK is Luffy's ultimate goal and being WSS is Zoro's ultimate goal. Shanks is just a guy who inspired Luffy to become a pirate. This is a shonen and Luffy is the main character. He is obviously going to reach the level of prime Roger/Whitebeard, if not surpass them, which is stronger than Old/sick WSM WB who was stronger than everyone else including Shanks.
Being stronger than Shanks is Luffy's goal & it has nothing to with PK & once again it is like saying that Mihawk is irrelevant since Zoro is going to be PK's first mate....
Mihawk for Zoro = Shanks for Luffy...
u can't change that fact...
[qute]What I'm saying is better feats when we have little to go by doesn't equal to being better. The point is, Shanks can be better at haki but it won't matter because at the end of the day haki is a supplement that boosts your fighting style.
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Iam not saying that he is stronger coz he has better Haki ...Iam saying that Shanks is superior Haki user ,not referring to strength here..that's it....
And you aren't using logic here. How many seconds can Nami last against a serious Zoro? I can count them with 1 hand. It's the same with Luffy. I mean, did you skip Kizaru vs the SN?
I don't read books. And it was longer than a normal paragraph and boring to read due to its large bulk. People prefer reading shorter sentences and paragraphs ; hence why I said it was a wall of text.
Jolly Rogers with swords:
-Baroque Works (headed by Croc, no swordsmen in the organization)
He did use a sword , yes knives were more common , but Decken was known for throwing objects at Shirahoshi which could cause her harm. A sword (being the most commonly used bladed weapon in history and in One Piece) would be a good representation of this. 4-0 to me
-Epoida Pirates (Headed by Epoida, DF user, carries a lance)
Well combine a sword based Jolly Roger with the fact Shanks has only used Swords in combat (every time he fought a human) and the fact he rivals Mihawk (WSS) and they have had many Sword Duels. It's clear proof that Shanks is a swordsman. How can you people fail to grasp this?
Mihawk doesn't take pride in his sword or swordssmanship? What manga are you reading? When he chose to use his knife against Zoro it was because he didn't think Zoro was worthy of being killed by his sword.
I'm reading One Piece. What about you? And then please explain why he cut Zoro with Yoru?
That's him showing pride in his sword/swordsmanship. After Zoro impressed him with his conviction he used his black sword and referred to it as the "world's strongest sword". So explain how he wasn't taking pride in it.
It's difficult for him to grasp certain concepts due to his arrogance. Just ignore him for now and wait till we actually get evidence about Shanks & Mihawk.
Because I've got a solid base of which to start from. That's fundamental to a debate. Or shall I show you the three pictures I've posted in this thread 10,000 times before ; yet again?
I can say the same to you. Your point has not been explained clearly. Nor has it been represented clearly or with any facts or hints to further direct and make your point easier to follow.
If u think Shanks is a pure SM based on that then Mihawk is only abit stronger than Vista based on Vista vs Mihawk ... & is obviously weaker than Shanks....
Yes. A light speed swing of a sword lacking technique.
My point is that he /anyone else never considered him as a pure SM that's y he is not famous as a SM ....Unlike Mihawk or any other SM ..his sword is nothing more than a weapon for Shanks...
Provide evidence to prove Shanks is not famous? Because that really makes no sense. He is a swordsman (if that's what you mean) ; his Jolly Roger, blocking Sakazuki's attack on Coby (saving a life is an urgent matter , requiring Shanks to use his most prominent skill) and his clash with Whitebeard (again using his most prominent skill ; swordsmanship) all not only hint towards but also demonstrate that Shanks is a swordsman.
Doesn't matter whether he is pure or not (wtf are you on about. Seriously?). If you mean he has other combat styles ; there are 0 hints, 0 evidence aswell as 0 validity to any of your points to prove Shanks is not a swordsman. Well he is a swordsman:
Swords in the JR:
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Shanks using his sword
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Here we both are equal .. u can't prove that he can't pull anything & I can't prove he can...
We know he is a swordsman. That was my point (MADE CLEAR) ; I was following your logic to come to a strange and absurd conclusion. I've done it many times and you think of me as an idiot for doing so ; when I'm only mimicking you and how you make your points. It doesn't work. And you should learn from that.
Wait a second... So YOU THINK that a rival losing an arm is not going to distort the rivalry? Even though one would lose a lot of strength? Whatcha smokin bro?
Zoro fought Mihawk in the East Blue, he was about one 10th the strength he is now.
I don't read books. And it was longer than a normal paragraph and boring to read due to its large bulk. People prefer reading shorter sentences and paragraphs ; hence why I said it was a wall of text.
A normal paragraph is 5-8 sentences, mine was 6. In no way was it longer than normal or even close to a wall of text. You don't speak for "people", you speak for yourself. If you can't handle more than one sentence at a time that's your problem.
Many billions and millions posessing swords along with Mr 1. 1-0 to me
He wasn't shown using a sword until Punk Hazard. When he fights Caeser he uses a large metal pipe. Not enough to suggest he's considered a swordsman.
He did use a sword , yes knives were more common , but Decken was known for throwing objects at Shirahoshi which could cause her harm. A sword (being the most commonly used bladed weapon in history and in One Piece) would be a good representation of this. 4-0 to me
He used throwing knives and axes, no swords. A sword being the most common weapon in the world (actually supports my argument that not everyone using a sword is a swordsman, so thanks) has no impact on his status.
In no world are those cutlasses. Cutlasses are slightly curved with the bladed edge on the outside. Killer's have the bladed edge on the inside and are much more curved than a cutlass. They're clearly scythes and are labeled as scythes.
Sure, one legitimate example using troll logic and ignoring obvious things. If that's what you need to resort to to prove your argument than you've already lost.
Well combine a sword based Jolly Roger with the fact Shanks has only used Swords in combat (every time he fought a human) and the fact he rivals Mihawk (WSS) and they have had many Sword Duels. It's clear proof that Shanks is a swordsman. How can you people fail to grasp this?
We've barely seen Shanks fight, so the fact that he's used a sword in those rare instances isn't enough to prove that's the only way he fights. Rivaling someone doesn't mean you're the same as someone. It just means you have similar strength or ambitions. And it was never said they have "sword duels" just that they used to spar before Shanks lost his arm.
I'm reading One Piece. What about you? And then please explain why he cut Zoro with Yoru?
Because going by the previous quoted section ; he dirtied his sword of apparently unworthy blood.
Obviously you need to read it again. Zoro impressed Mihawk with his conviction and thus earned the right to die by the black sword.
You said it yourself. Swords are the most common weapon in One Piece. You know why? Because if you're in that world and you don't have a DF or a unique martial art (i.e. black leg), you NEED to have a weapon. Its just the logical thing to do to protect yourself from other people with weapons. But picking up a sword so you can defend yourself from other people with a sword doesn't make you a swordsman. Simple as that.
This going to be my last post here. Obviously you're not going to change your mind about this and neither am I, and we've both already pointed out everything relevant to our arguments, so really there's no reason to continue this.
A normal paragraph is 5-8 sentences, mine was 6. In no way was it longer than normal or even close to a wall of text. You don't speak for "people", you speak for yourself. If you can't handle more than one sentence at a time that's your problem.
It's not my problem when it comes to posting boring paragraphs which lack pacing to keep a reader interested. That's what short one liners etc. are for.
Right....millions and billions....
Mr. 1 is a DF user, he turns his body into blades, not swords. Axes have bladed edges, are they swords too now?
And? Law is a DF user does this negate all swordsman qualities? No it doesn't. Zoro stated that Mr 1 should be known as a swordsman.
A sword is the epitome of bladed weapons; therefore swords can represent being threatening etc. A Jolly Roger resembles a captain or something dear to the captain (in most cases); hence why a sword is a good choice for Decken as a sword can represent a mark of death. Deckens devil fruit goes hand in hand with this.
The crew has dual captains, you can't just ignore the other one because he doesn't support your argument.
We only saw Brownbeard once before Punk Hazard, he was shown intimidating people and claiming one of Whitebeard territories. So on his second appearence (which was more than one page long ; unlike the first) he shows his sword. He used his swordsmanship "skills" when utilizing said pipe.
He used throwing knives and axes, no swords. A sword being the most common weapon in the world (actually supports my argument that not everyone using a sword is a swordsman, so thanks) has no impact on his status.
What if the "swords" on the Jolly roger are Throwing Knives? A swordsman is defined (in manga terms) as someone devoted and dedicated in the art of the sword. So there's a difference between a random with a sword and a swordsman. And if you try to use this statement against me I'll have you know Shanks seems pretty attached to his sword (see my response to Avinash above).
I have 5 out of 5 so far. So its 5-0 me. See? I can do that too.
In no world are those cutlasses. Cutlasses are slightly curved with the bladed edge on the outside. Killer's have the bladed edge on the inside and are much more curved than a cutlass. They're clearly scythes and are labeled as scythes.
Cutlasses are just curved. The degree varies between different cutlasses. I never even looked at the Jolly Roger beforehand. And I just tried to find it. And due to the fact I can't ; so far it is apparent that this discussion is pointless. Swords can represent the mark of death ; Killer is called Killer for a reason anyways.
Right, well then the things Shanks uses aren't swords either.
Sure, one legitimate example using troll logic and ignoring obvious things. If that's what you need to resort to to prove your argument than you've already lost.
I fail to see how it is troll logic. You can't come up with a argument to refute and disprove my points. So you resort to accusations of being a troll? Good job.
We've barely seen Shanks fight, so the fact that he's used a sword in those rare instances isn't enough to prove that's the only way he fights. Rivaling someone doesn't mean you're the same as someone. It just means you have similar strength or ambitions. And it was never said they have "sword duels" just that they used to spar before Shanks lost his arm.
The rare instances are the only instances we have seen him fight in. 100% record so far. I never said Shanks was the same as Mihawk. For a start their techniques are most probably completely different, the size of their swords will also mean they require different fighting styles to be employed. Their sparring is essentially what I call "sword duels". As they're fundamentally the exact same thing.
Obviously you need to read it again. Zoro impressed Mihawk with his conviction and thus earned the right to die by the black sword.
He had to earn the right. Beforehand Mihawk had segregated Zoro from "more worthy" swordsmen. I've forgotten why we're even talking about the Baratie arc.
You said it yourself. Swords are the most common weapon in One Piece. You know why? Because if you're in that world and you don't have a DF or a unique martial art (i.e. black leg), you NEED to have a weapon. Its just the logical thing to do to protect yourself from other people with weapons. But picking up a sword so you can defend yourself from other people with a sword doesn't make you a swordsman. Simple as that.
I have been stating so for such a long time in this thread only to be told myself? A swordsman isn't somebody who just swings a sword around. They train and devote their time and effort to improve their swordsmanship.
People have been trying to skip around the ideology of Shanks being a swordsman so that they can avoid any categoric argument. This is the only way the Pro Shanks side has been refuting my arguments. But Shanks seems pretty close to his sword seeing as it's the same sword in Luffy's flashbacks as when Shanks appears in the MF War. It is also seen wherever Shanks is seen and goes wherever he goes. He is clearly devoted and treasures his sword. So he doesn't just swing a sword around without practice. Evidence suggests that he is a swordsman.
This going to be my last post here. Obviously you're not going to change your mind about this and neither am I, and we've both already pointed out everything relevant to our arguments, so really there's no reason to continue this.
How? Everyone shat their pants once Shanks arrived to MF. Even Sengoku A FLEET ADMIRAL had respects for him. Mihawk isn't feared by all. WB was laughing at his slash. He even knows that Mihawk isn't near his level, whereas WB was serious when he attacked Shanks. Clearly there is a difference between Shanks and Mihawk. Shanks's 1st mate even scared Kizaru, so I'm pretty sure Shanks could do the same but Mihawk prob. cant. (Not saying Mihawk < Admirals btw)
How? Everyone shat their pants once Shanks arrived to MF. Even Sengoku A FLEET ADMIRAL had respects for him. Mihawk isn't feared by all. WB was laughing at his slash. He even knows that Mihawk isn't near his level, whereas WB was serious when he attacked Shanks. Clearly there is a difference between Shanks and Mihawk. Shanks's 1st mate even scared Kizaru, so I'm pretty sure Shanks could do the same but Mihawk prob. cant. (Not saying Mihawk < Admirals btw)
They were all fatigued or people were dead. Red hair (AND HIS ENTIRE CREW) is obviously scarier than just the individual. WB wasn't laughing. He was waiting for Jozu. WB was also enraged when attacking Shanks , remember WB had nothing against Mihawk at the time.
Mihawk is famed for instantaneously instilling fear into anyone just by looking into his eyes
They were all fatigued or people were dead. Red hair (AND HIS ENTIRE CREW) is obviously scarier than just the individual. WB wasn't laughing. He was waiting for Jozu. WB was also enraged when attacking Shanks , remember WB had nothing against Mihawk at the time.
Mihawk is famed for instantaneously instilling fear into anyone just by looking into his eyes
The fodders were scared of crew and Shanks but it was obvious that others were scared of him. WB was laughing what are you talking about? Exactly and Shanks was able to stop with ONE HAND. (well not sh*t but that's an impressive feat).
Also that's just a statement cause Croc. wasn't scared he didn't even give two f*cks going against him. Notice that his hook didn't even shatter either, which Luffy was able to do.
The fodders were scared of crew and Shanks but it was obvious that others were scared of him. WB was laughing what are you talking about? Exactly and Shanks was able to stop with ONE HAND. (well not sh*t but that's an impressive feat).
Also that's just a statement cause Croc. wasn't scared he didn't even give two f*cks going against him. Notice that his hook didn't even shatter either, which Luffy was able to do.
Not just fodders. Some of the WB commanders were scared. Didn't I JUST SAY that a whole crew with a captain of comparable strength to Mihawk be more horrifying to fight (as there's also Ben Beckmann and Lucky Roo whom seem to be Admiral Tier). Whitebeard was smiling, not laughing. Doesn't really prove anything ; especially as he was expecting Jozu to deal with the sword slash anyways.
So now you think that Pre TS Luffy> Mihawk whom fodderized Pre TS Luffy? Makes perfect sense. Especially since you're basing it off of Crocs hook which was:
Broken by Luffy at its WEAKEST and THINNEST point which was also LESS DENSE than the part Mihawk struck (as it had holes in it. When something has a hole its strength is quartered(this is the minimum division of strength). Depending on the number of holes it can even be less than that).
Not just fodders. Some of the WB commanders were scared. Didn't I JUST SAY that a whole crew with a captain of comparable strength to Mihawk be more horrifying to fight (as there's also Ben Beckmann and Lucky Roo whom seem to be Admiral Tier). Whitebeard was smiling, not laughing. Doesn't really prove anything ; especially as he was expecting Jozu to deal with the sword slash anyways.
So now you think that Pre TS Luffy> Mihawk whom fodderized Pre TS Luffy? Makes perfect sense. Especially since you're basing it off of Crocs hook which was:
Broken by Luffy at its WEAKEST and THINNEST point which was also LESS DENSE than the part Mihawk struck (as it had holes in it. When something has a hole its strength is quartered(this is the minimum division of strength). Depending on the number of holes it can even be less than that).
What proof do you have that he knew Jozu was going to come and block it?
I never said that, I was just saying that even Croc. was able to stop him. (Not saying either one of them is stronger but yeah)
There's already enough evidence in the manga that shows Shanks>Mihawk.
-Shanks went against WB and he was actually trying. (Mihawk got a nice smile/laugh from WB when he tried doing it)
-Shanks and WB's clash caused the sky to split it half. BB needed the Gura Gura no mi just to pull off that feat. (Shanks/WB weren't even trying too)
-Shanks is Luffy's rival and he even said he wants to beat him and HIS crew one day and in order to do that he must become PK. Zoro wants to surpass Mihawk and Mihawk even told Luffy that becoming PK is much harder than becoming WSS. Basically, Luffy's Goals > Zoro's Goals
-Shanks was the first to shows sign of King's haki being used to destroy surrounding environments. Mihawk didn't even show signs of use caliber.
-During the war BB did not give a f*ck who he was fighting. He was even cocky enough to go against Sengoku and Garp but once Shanks showed up he backed off. (Yeah I know it's his crew too but obv. BB would fight Shanks individually where the rest of his crew would fight the other members)
Not to mention any more evidence supporting Shanks > Mihawk. Sorry buddy but get that Mihawk d1ldo out your ass.
