Naruto antagonists

[Johndoesknowall]

Orochimaru is the only True evil villain.

I see you have your own perspective on what you might find evil. You say he's not evil because he's doing all this to achieve a certain goal and that if he didn't have to do it this way, then he wouldn't have.

Well there are instances where Orochimaru's curiosity has gotten the better of him and he kills, or kidnaps or manipulates. Some things that Orochimaru do are just to please his curiosity and I believe that falls in the category of evil.

To do immoral or sinful acts for ones own selfish desire.

 

[2justin9]

People on here often complain that the Naruto series has no true villains, evil main characters.
What those people don't realize is that, this is a story that is not about good and evil. Its about the struggles that characters go thru in their lives and how they overcome those struggles. Sure, not all the antagonists in the series are cold-hearted ruthless killers like Hidan, Kakuzu, Diedara, and Kisame. But I dont get how so many people see that as a problem.



Personally, I think people fighting eachother for what they believe in is far more interesting than watching someone who is just good, fight someone who is just evil for the sake of destroying the world for no real reason other than fun.
In Naruto everyone has a back story. People say "Duuuurrr...orochimaru is the only real villain." When he really isnt a villain, he isnt "EVIL" he is just someone who is willing to put aside what everyone else thinks to accomplish his goal, whether it involved evil actions or not. I bet if his path didnt involve violence, he wouldnt mind. He dosent go out LOOKING to kill for pleasure. "Ohhh..have faith in Madara, the true villain who wont fall to talk no jutsu." Madara a villain? his goal is the same as Obito's or at least so far as what we know. To create a dreamworld where there are no losers, and everyone is a winner. Sure the way he is going about it isn't the best, but he has good intentions, and will take out ANYONE who gets in his way, just like Naruto would.

In a sense, the story is about people (ninja) who have all chose paths to follow, and how those paths play out amongst everyone else's. Not about evil trying to take over good.

If you want to watch a series where people are evil without any explanation, watch DBZ, Devilman, or some disney movies. They have "true villains" that which you seek.

Otherwise, accept the fact that Naruto's main characters all have backstories which explain why they chose the path they did.
If you can't. then be forever mad that Naruto has no "REAL VILLAINS."

btw, Obito solos.

you know who is pure evil? uchiha madara cant wait til he start dropping more meteors and new amazing techs

 

[-Punk-]

So far, Gaara and Nagato were the only ones to have done that.

Orochimaru realized that he was going about it all wrong after witnessing Kabuto. He hasnt CHANGED what he wants, but I think he will definately take a new outlook and go about it differently. Tsunade even stated that Orochimaru had changed, and Orochimaru didnt disagree. And he has seemd to change.

Nagato..that was a huge change of heart. I dont think that was great writing on kishi's behalf.
As for Obito, he went down fighting for his belief. Even if he was having regrets, he sucked it up step forward, leading to his inevitable defeat.

I've always been half & half about Nagato's change of heart but it was for Naruto's development i guess & Gara was great .

Oro : you can''t forget what he did tho ,but we still don't know what's he really planning .

Obito : Still don't know about how he will end , so I'll wait for that .

 

[XxLapizxLazulixX]

what kind of an excuse is that ?? :eww: are you serious ??

the fact that he chose to kill/experiment just to seek power makes him evil (so you think that he's excused because there's no alternative solution to achieve his selfish goal ??) and yes, being power hungry IS evil sine he isn't even doing it for a good purpose (it's all about him).

so when he kills/experiments/not care/be selfcentered, that doesn't make him evil/twisted ?? ......................

i really don't know what to tell you, but he DID loose his mind since no sane person would go this far, and there's absolutely no reason for anyone to get to this twisted point unless he is messtup to begin with.

even Hiruzen saw the darkness in Oro's heart when he was a kid but, chose to ignore it (he loved him too much, check it up).

Orochimaru is a one evil/twisted/selfish bastard and unless you can make up a better excuse to why he reached this point :yeah:

Like I said. What I would consider EVIL is the intentions. He wasn't experimenting because it was FUN for him, it was the only way he knew to take a step closer to his goal. Power hungry dosen't determine if you are evil, its what you are willing to do with that feeling that determines if it is evil or not. There are power hungry protagonists, but they dont kill others for the sake of it. And remember, this is A manga where people have powers. Nobody in their sane mind would do alot of the things characters int he series have done. Does that make them all insane? I agree, his MENTALITY is twisted, but just because his mentality differs from the norm, dosent mean he is evil.

Think of it like this: In some countries its okay to have intercourse with 12 yr olds or to eat dogs and cats.
But in the US, that is seen as evil, sick, gross...

Get what Im saying
For Oro, experimenting on children to achieve his own selfish goal is fine with him, he dosent care if its seen as good or evil

But then, someone who has morals would think, THAT IS EVIL..

Its all perspective

Domflamingo is evil in any way you look at it. There is no excuse for HIS atrocity.

 

[0jordinio0]

I think the problem for some people is that every single 'evil' person in the series had a sob story. It can get kind of annoying even to me. Some people really are just that messed up in the head and don't need a reason to be 'evil'.

What it comes down to is that Kishi keeps trying to justify all these 'evil' actions. So in the end none of them are really evil and are just horribly misunderstood and all that useless emotional crap.

 

[Aya San]

Oro has no sob story what r u talking about

 

[XxLapizxLazulixX]

I think the problem for some people is that every single 'evil' person in the series had a sob story. It can get kind of annoying even to me. Some people really are just that messed up in the head and don't need a reason to be 'evil'.

What it comes down to is that Kishi keeps trying to justify all these 'evil' actions. So in the end none of them are really evil and are just horribly misunderstood and all that useless emotional crap.

i know wat u mean, but even in reality, someone who does you or someone you care for harm, is considered bad, until you find out the WHOLE reason WHY. If you can understand what led them to do it, then you realize, they arent a bad person, it was just somehting that happend. Of course, what they did was bad, but it doesnt mean THEY were bad.

 

[JIRAIYA perv]

Like I said. What I would consider EVIL is the intentions. He wasn't experimenting because it was FUN for him, it was the only way he knew to take a step closer to his goal. Power hungry dosen't determine if you are evil, its what you are willing to do with that feeling that determines if it is evil or not. There are power hungry protagonists, but they dont kill others for the sake of it. And remember, this is A manga where people have powers. Nobody in their sane mind would do alot of the things characters int he series have done. Does that make them all insane? I agree, his MENTALITY is twisted, but just because his mentality differs from the norm, dosent mean he is evil.

Think of it like this: In some countries its okay to have intercourse with 12 yr olds or to eat dogs and cats.
But in the US, that is seen as evil, sick, gross...

Get what Im saying
For Oro, experimenting on children to achieve his own selfish goal is fine with him, he dosent care if its seen as good or evil

But then, someone who has morals would think, THAT IS EVIL..

Its all perspective

Domflamingo is evil in any way you look at it. There is no excuse for HIS atrocity.

- :yeah: the guy is always wearing an evil smirk on his face (while eating/fighting/killing/experimenting).

- state his goal (becoming the strongest and that's that) then add this up with the fact that he will reach it at any cost/stepping on anyone who stands in his way (he even wanted to test his powers on his old sensei).

- being power hungry for a selfish cause, not caring about the victims you step on along the way IS evil (doesn't matter where you are from, this is just bad/universal).

- we already know what he want's to do with that power and it's not pretty/just a crazy dream to have godlike powers (more power is always welcome) so give me your power or you die.

- "power hungry protagonists" seek power/train for it/never kill to get it, and want to use it for a good cause, for the millionth time it's all about his intentions and Oro's are bad period.

like i said there's no room for the "it's a matter of prospective" thing, but WHAT DO YOU THINK (instead of stating what some people might consider normal) ?? are Oro's actions justified ?? :yeah:

 

[0jordinio0]

Oh yeah Orochimaru is definitely evil. No doubt there. He's a sick twisted guy. He experiments on children and steals the bodies of others so that he can gain the selfish goal of becoming immortal and learning all Jutsu in the world. That is evil, you can't justify that no matter what sob story Kishi tries to give him.

 

[Johndoesknowall]

- :yeah: the guy is always wearing an evil smirk on his face.

- state his goal (becoming the strongest and that's that) then add this up with the fact that he will reach it at any cost/stepping on anyone who stands in your way (he even wanted to test his powers on his old sensei).

- being power hungry for a selfish cause, not caring about the victims you step on along the way IS evil (doesn't matter where you are from, this is just bad/universal).

- we already know what he want's to do with that power and it's not pretty/just a crazy dream to have godlike powers (more power is always welcome) so give me your power or you die.

- "power hungry protagonists" seek power/train for it/never kill to get it, and want to use it for a good cause.
like i said there's no room for the "it's a matter of prospective" thing, but WHAT DO YOU THINK ?? are Oro's actions justified ?? :yeah:

This^^

is why Orochimaru is a true evil villain

 

[raziel777]

Meh. They are villains. No matter how you choose to word it. They should act like it and stick to their path (looking at you Obito) and let themselves be swayed by empty words from people that talk big yet can't give definite courses of action (looking at you Naruto)

You think Orochimaru would let Naruto talk him out of his goal ? Not even the 3rd or Jiraiya managed to do that. The hero/villain dichotomy is just the tip of the iceberg, no matter where you stand, you should have resolve. That's makes you great or lame.

 

[XxLapizxLazulixX]

- :yeah: the guy is always wearing an evil smirk on his face (while eating/fighting/killing/experimenting).

- state his goal (becoming the strongest and that's that) then add this up with the fact that he will reach it at any cost/stepping on anyone who stands in his way (he even wanted to test his powers on his old sensei).

- being power hungry for a selfish cause, not caring about the victims you step on along the way IS evil (doesn't matter where you are from, this is just bad/universal).

- we already know what he want's to do with that power and it's not pretty/just a crazy dream to have godlike powers (more power is always welcome) so give me your power or you die.

- "power hungry protagonists" seek power/train for it/never kill to get it, and want to use it for a good cause, for the millionth time it's all about his intentions and Oro's are bad period.

like i said there's no room for the "it's a matter of prospective" thing, but WHAT DO YOU THINK (instead of stating what some people might consider normal) ?? are Oro's actions justified ?? :yeah:

Im not saying Orochimaru is a good guy, nor that his actions are justified. As we both agree upon, its all in intentions. Why does Oro want to learn all the secrets of the world?
He turned on his sensei out of hate, and anger. He felt betrayed. Not because he did it on a evil whim. Still dosent make it right. But anger makes people do things they normally wouldnt.

If you have a goal, and it could involve you having to step on, and manipulate and evil kill to achieve it, if thats what it will take to reach it, and you do it, no, you arent evil, messed up. Not evil. An evil person would do those things for no reason at all other than to watch people suffer.

And Orochimaru already admitted it after seeing Kabuto that maybe he was wrong. And that he has changed. He could be lying, but that is yet t be confirmed.

Power hungry has nothing to do with evil, its just the matter of how you go about it.

There is always room for perspective, Im not saying YOU are wrong, because thats how you precive it, but Im also saying orochimaru isnt EVIL, his actions were yes, is he a considered good person? far from it, but is he evil? No.

 

[Xāvî1]

The true Naruto antagonists is Uchiha Madara

 

[raziel777]

Im not saying Orochimaru is a good guy, nor that his actions are justified. As we both agree upon, its all in intentions. Why does Oro want to learn all the secrets of the world?
He turned on his sensei out of hate, and anger. He felt betrayed. Not because he did it on a evil whim. Still dosent make it right. But anger makes people do things they normally wouldnt.

If you have a goal, and it could involve you having to step on, and manipulate and evil kill to achieve it, if thats what it will take to reach it, and you do it, no, you arent evil, messed up. Not evil. An evil person would do those things for no reason at all other than to watch people suffer.

And Orochimaru already admitted it after seeing Kabuto that maybe he was wrong. And that he has changed. He could be lying, but that is yet t be confirmed.

Power hungry has nothing to do with evil, its just the matter of how you go about it.

There is always room for perspective, Im not saying YOU are wrong, because thats how you precive it, but Im also saying orochimaru isnt EVIL, his actions were yes, is he a considered good person? far from it, but is he evil? No.

That's like saying that some people who committed atrocities in times of war are not evil because they had a reason to do it. Were they right to do it? Probably. But were the actions totally wrong ? Yes.

Those people are evil. There is line and some people crossed it. Orochimaru crossed it when he experimented on his fellow leaf ninjas, on babies, when he captured people and forced his CS on them. When he attacked the leaf, when he killed his sensei. He has no regards for the human life, all he cares about is his goal and himself.

Actions speak louder than intentions. That's why they say that the path to Hell is paved with good intentions.

Orochimaru is the best villain out there, don't ruin him please.

Edit: @bold, that never happened, he admitted he still wanted Sasuke's body but he felt he didn't have the power to fight Sasuke and get it

 

[P3ĮÑ]

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[JIRAIYA perv]

Im not saying Orochimaru is a good guy, nor that his actions are justified. As we both agree upon, its all in intentions. Why does Oro want to learn all the secrets of the world?
He turned on his sensei out of hate, and anger. He felt betrayed. Not because he did it on a evil whim. Still dosent make it right. But anger makes people do things they normally wouldnt.

If you have a goal, and it could involve you having to step on, and manipulate and evil kill to achieve it, if thats what it will take to reach it, and you do it, no, you arent evil, messed up. Not evil. An evil person would do those things for no reason at all other than to watch people suffer.

And Orochimaru already admitted it after seeing Kabuto that maybe he was wrong. And that he has changed. He could be lying, but that is yet t be confirmed.

Power hungry has nothing to do with evil, its just the matter of how you go about it.

There is always room for perspective, Im not saying YOU are wrong, because thats how you precive it, but Im also saying orochimaru isnt EVIL, his actions were yes, is he a considered good person? far from it, but is he evil? No.

"An evil person would do those things for no reason at all other than to watch people suffer"
that's not called an evil character, that's called a lunatic (like Juugo when he overdoes it, kill just to kill).

a truly evil characters in almost any series would do bad things to :

- become stronger/acquire more power.

- conquer/expand their territory/rule.

striking fear in the hearts of their victims is a twisted bonus, and they all have one thing in common, they don't care about anyone/thing other that themselves/evil goals.

and killing your sensei with a twisted smirk on your face doesn't really mean that you're angry (angry people don't kill/fight/torture in cold blood), it means that something is wrong with you (he was testing his new powers).

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btw Oro didn't even care about Hiruzen at that point.

anyways that was a good chat so let's leave it at that *_*

 

[vasu 32]

Totally agreed. They are living in dreams if they think that naruto manga has true villains. That's one of the best things and unique one that makes naruto a manga of whole other level,and seperate it from your normal manga.

 

[vasu 32]

Totally agreed. They are living in dreams if they think that naruto manga has true villains. That's one of the best things and unique one that makes naruto a manga of whole other level,and seperate it from your normal manga.
and yes obito solos.