Current STBM Naruto can beat Fresh full power Rinnegan Obito [by manga feats]

[KCMNaruto]

Hello guys, I would like to prove that Current STBM Naruto can beast Fresh at full power Rinnegan Obito without Tailed beasts/jinchurki under his control.

Let's begin:

First let me explain what the STBM really means. STBM is shortcut of Sage tailed beast mode...

Sage tailed beast mode Naruto:

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Naruto's counters to Rinnegan Obito:

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Part 1

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Obito's Kamui to make attack pass through his body:
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Naruto can use his supperior speed:

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or this

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combined with his supperior sensing ability:

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and with such reaction time:

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2) Obito's Kamui to absorb something or someone requiring Obito to be solid in real world.

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^^ It won't work on Naruto due to Naruto's supperior reaction time:

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combined with that speed:

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or this

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3) Obito's using Kamui to wrap himself to other dimenssion:

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Naruto can counter it with supperior reaction time:

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combined with that speed:

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or this

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4) Obito's Kamui to reappear behind enemy to attack him:

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^^ again Naruto can avoid it using supperior reaction time:

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combined with that speed:

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or this

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5) Obito using weapons against Naruto:

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^^ Naruto can manifest Kurama's head:

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or Kurama's tails:

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Part 2

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6) Obito's Fire release:

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^^ Naruto can counter with Nine tails of Kurama:

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7) How Naruto can land blow on Obito even if Supperior reaction time + speed blitz won't be enough fast ?

Here is answer:

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I mean what happened here:

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Could happen here now as well:

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or here:

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Here even in Tailed beast mode Naruto proved to land blow on suprised Obito:

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8) Obito's use of wood release:

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won't work on Naruto:

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9) Obito's Uchiha flame barrier:

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Naruto can use tailed beast bomb:

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10) Obito's use of Outer path of The Rinnegan:

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Naruto's counter:

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NOTES : I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT HIPOTHETICAL RINNEGAN OBITO, who could use all Rinnegan techniques in theory also I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT Rinnengan Obito with edo jinchurki...

However Honestly I believe Current BSM Naruto could beat Rinnegan Obito with Edo Jinchurki [by manga feats], Naruto could win 5/10 of times. Against HIPOTHETICAL RINNEGAN OBITO, Naruto would win 5/10 of times as well... but Current BSM Naruto couldn't beast HIPOTHETICAL RINNEGAN OBITO with Edo Jinchurki

Summary :

• Current Sage tailed beast mode Naruto can beast Rinnegan Obito without edo Jinchurki according to the manga feats
• Naruto can counter everything Obito bring against him due to supperior reaction time combined with flash speed and great sensing ability
• Naruto can land blow on Obito due to supperior reaction time combined with flash speed and great sensing ability along with using Frog Katas to increase range of Naruto's attacks.
• Naruto has same chance of wining against Rinnegan Obito with edo Jinchurki by using manga feats or against HIPOTHETICAL RINNEGAN OBITO without edo jinchurki.
• Naruto can not win against HIPOTHETICAL RINNEGAN OBITO with edo jinchurki

Thanks for reading !

Please share your thoughts

 

[Sea Of Thy Soul]

Sage Mode is merely a display in Bijuu Mode.
It doesn't have feats, except having the ability to infuse attacks with Senjutsu.

WAHAHAHAHA!!!

 

[AGoodBoy]

There's no hypthetical obito who can use rinnegan techs. That's fandom. There's no proof obito, or even crippled nagato, could use 6path techs without the 6 paths.

Anyway, I didn't read this. I'm sure you put a lot of effort into this, so I'll just agree. wait for the Kamui fanboys to come a knocking.

PS. This mad blitz shushin speed naruto fanboys like to tout is nothing but hot air. KCM/BM/SBM naruto isn't that fast. Sharingan can easily keep up with his speed as portrayed in the manga. Anyone who states otherwise is just fanboying. The only one shown to have beyond sharingan speed is juubito.
¬Contrary to popular belief, sasuke did keep up with Ay with his sharingan; his body was just too slow to react that's why he had to pop up susano'o.

 

[KCMNaruto]

Sage Mode is merely a display in Bijuu Mode.
It doesn't have feats, except having the ability to infuse attacks with Senjutsu.

WAHAHAHAHA!!!

Wrong, it may not have directly feats, but indirectly, yes it has

BSM is made of Bijuu mode and Sage mode. Both Bijuu mode and Sage mode have feats so you can just combine them

Here, you got BSM feats

 

[xcoyote]

Taking the tnj route is easier.

 

[Skull Knight]

well naruto doesnot need BSM to beat Obito.
he can easily beat him by Talk no jutsu.

 

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Sage Mode is merely a display in Bijuu Mode.
It doesn't have feats, except having the ability to infuse attacks with Senjutsu.

WAHAHAHAHA!!!

retarded statement. sage mode drastically enhanceds attacks, speed,reaction time and sense ability thats like say it doesnt do anything to base naruto everyone already knows sage mode feats

 

[UchihaNagashi]

Blitzing won't help, it has been countered numerous of times even in BM. Remember Naruto in Pseudo Mõdo, who was significantly faster than Sasuke, failed to surprise with speed? That's because of his Sharingan. And Sasuke who had Sharingan, couldn't keep up with the movements and even see Gai at first (not to mention Lee...), but Obito beat his speed with ease. Not to mention, Obito was as fast as Minato, he was just tricked. Sure sensing helps, but not a lot against Kamui.

All the others have been countered and rendered useless.

Obito still wins high diff.

 

[AGoodBoy]

Blitzing won't help, it has been countered numerous of times even in BM. Remember Naruto in Pseudo Mõdo, who was significantly faster than Sasuke, failed to surprise with speed? That's because of his Sharingan. And Sasuke who had Sharingan, couldn't keep up with the movements and even see Gai at first (not to mention Lee...), but Obito beat his speed with ease. Not to mention, Obito was as fast as Minato, he was just tricked. Sure sensing helps, but not a lot against Kamui.

All the others have been countered and rendered useless.

Obito still wins high diff.

obito was never, and will never be as fast as minato. That's a dream. Not even his S/T is as fast as minato's.

Minato's Foot speed and S/t speed farrrrrrrrr surpasses obito's. Where you got your info, I'm not sure. But, Obito is not fast. In fact, we can even state he's pretty slow as seen in kamui dimension against kakashi - kakashi has just above average speed.

 

[KCMNaruto]

Blitzing won't help, it has been countered numerous of times even in BM. Remember Naruto in Pseudo Mõdo, who was significantly faster than Sasuke, failed to surprise with speed? That's because of his Sharingan. And Sasuke who had Sharingan, couldn't keep up with the movements and even see Gai at first (not to mention Lee...), but Obito beat his speed with ease. Not to mention, Obito was as fast as Minato, he was just tricked. Sure sensing helps, but not a lot against Kamui.

All the others have been countered and rendered useless.

Obito still wins high diff.

Well I agree That Obito can counter Naruto's speed, Naruto's sensing ability, Naruto's reaction time and Naruto's frog katas seperately

Hell, Obito may even counter two or three of them combined, but He can't counter Flash's speed combined with Sensing ability, Naruto's reaction time and Frog katas if utilized properly.

We Know that Obito is slower then BM Naruto by foot speed but has on par reaction time with thanks to Sharingan prediction ability allows him to use Kamui in time to pass attack though him or catch someone...

But BSM Naruto has supperior reaction time to Obito's reaction time, which now combined with Naruto's supperior speed could be hell/tough challenge for Obito...

Now add excellent sensing ability which allows Naruto to even follow Ten tails host Obito's movements which are even faster then BM Naruto..., this alone takes away Obito's great advantage to use Kamui to get behind enemy or use suprise attacks.

Even if Obito can activate and utilize Kamui to win by some luck then adding Frog Katas and increase range of attack using nature energy is too much even for Obito... I hardly see him surviving even few seconds of battle if Naruto is serious and has mastery over BSM...

Don't forget also that BSM naruto has not time limit and can absorb nature energy much faster almost instantly...

 

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obito was never, and will never be as fast as minato. That's a dream. Not even his S/T is as fast as minato's.

Minato's Foot speed and S/t speed farrrrrrrrr surpasses obito's. Where you got your info, I'm not sure. But, Obito is not fast. In fact, we can even state he's pretty slow as seen in kamui dimension against kakashi - kakashi has just above average speed.

pretty much this. his foot speed isnt fast but with the sharingan prediction capable and kamui warp speed he's able to out maneuver most opponents.

 

[3MESSIAH]

would be a tough battle but naruto really doesnt have anything against obito`s kamui.only way this worked is if obito tired before naruto..that`s how naruto wins

 

[UchihaNagashi]

obito was never, and will never be as fast as minato. That's a dream. Not even his S/T is as fast as minato's.

Minato's Foot speed and S/t speed farrrrrrrrr surpasses obito's. Where you got your info, I'm not sure. But, Obito is not fast. In fact, we can even state he's pretty slow as seen in kamui dimension against kakashi - kakashi has just above average speed.

It was why Minato took one on one with Obito. He stated that his Kamui surpasses easily Minato's and Tobirama's. He was as fast, but because Minato used Hiraishin to trick Obito, Obito lost (Rasengan hitting Obito).

EDIT: You said he was slow at the fight with Kakashi. If you remember right, he had fought this ''speedblitzing Naruto'' ''Gai of the Speed Beast'' and a full Bijû. Not to mention Kakashi got a Chãkra boost. Exhausting? I think so.

Now can't we say the same about Naruto? Because I saw Obito owning Naruto in speed countless of times.

Well I agree That Obito can counter Naruto's speed, Naruto's sensing ability, Naruto's reaction time and Naruto's frog katas seperately

Hell, Obito may even counter two or three of them combined, but He can't counter Flash's speed combined with Sensing ability, Naruto's reaction time and Frog katas if utilized properly.

We Know that Obito is slower then BM Naruto by foot speed but has on par reaction time with thanks to Sharingan prediction ability allows him to use Kamui in time to pass attack though him or catch someone...

But BSM Naruto has supperior reaction time to Obito's reaction time, which now combined with Naruto's supperior speed could be hell/tough challenge for Obito...

Now add excellent sensing ability which allows Naruto to even follow Ten tails host Obito's movements which are even faster then BM Naruto..., this alone takes away Obito's great advantage to use Kamui to get behind enemy or use suprise attacks.

Even if Obito can activate and utilize Kamui to win by some luck then adding Frog Katas and increase range of attack using nature energy is too much even for Obito... I hardly see him surviving even few seconds of battle if Naruto is serious and has mastery over BSM...

Don't forget also that BSM naruto has not time limit and can absorb nature energy much faster almost instantly...

It's not up to that. No matter what, Obito can see Naruto's movements with Sharingan, leading to transparency. Obito can easily step a foot aside and start using Kamui to teleport Naruto.

Sensing does not tell the future - you can only sense the ''danger'' by sensing the Chãkra nearby you.

 

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It was why Minato took one on one with Obito. He stated that his Kamui surpasses easily Minato's and Tobirama's. He was as fast, but because Minato used Hiraishin to trick Obito, Obito lost (Rasengan hitting Obito).

EDIT: You said he was slow at the fight with Kakashi. If you remember right, he had fought this ''speedblitzing Naruto'' ''Gai of the Speed Beast'' and a full Bijû. Not to mention Kakashi got a Chãkra boost. Exhausting? I think so.

Now can't we say the same about Naruto? Because I saw Obito owning Naruto in speed countless of times.



It's not up to that. No matter what, Obito can see Naruto's movements with Sharingan, leading to transparency. Obito can easily step a foot aside and start using Kamui to teleport Naruto.

Sensing does not tell the future - you can only sense the ''danger'' by sensing the Chãkra nearby you.

sharingan cant sense the natural energy of frog katas

 

[AlexXx]

you just repeating manga scans.

when naruto (+ bee/hachibi, kakashi and guy) fought they could just put a fex scratches on him + breaking mask. he already got this sensing, super speed, super reaction time
etc. etc. etc. what ever you listed there.

naruto only got a chance when he has kakashi as back up.

minato could match up with obito because he can teleport. naruto must have a teleport ability,too. super speed isnt enough.

otherwise < kamui

 

[KCMNaruto]

It was why Minato took one on one with Obito. He stated that his Kamui surpasses easily Minato's and Tobirama's. He was as fast, but because Minato used Hiraishin to trick Obito, Obito lost (Rasengan hitting Obito).

EDIT: You said he was slow at the fight with Kakashi. If you remember right, he had fought this ''speedblitzing Naruto'' ''Gai of the Speed Beast'' and a full Bijû. Not to mention Kakashi got a Chãkra boost. Exhausting? I think so.

Now can't we say the same about Naruto? Because I saw Obito owning Naruto in speed countless of times.

It's not up to that. No matter what, Obito can see Naruto's movements with Sharingan, leading to transparency. Obito can easily step a foot aside and start using Kamui to teleport Naruto.

Sensing does not tell the future - you can only sense the ''danger'' by sensing the Chãkra nearby you.

Bolded part is bullshit... Seriously Naruto didn't use his full speed against Obito even once due to plot shield of Obito, Kishi would NOT allow for it.

Even although you brought great points here, you still seem to forget about increased range of attack due to nature energy

And as far as I know Sharingan can NOT see Nature energy and this is Obito's fall and loss.

Even in manga you can see That Obito is barerly able to pass through Naruto's attacks in Tailed beast mode due to his supperior much speed feet... but even if Obito still can do that.

If he can NOT see nature energy with Sharingan, then he won't see reason to activate Kamui yet and before he will notice he will get hit...

You really understimate Sage mode combined with Tailed beast mode....

 

[Sea Of Thy Soul]

Wrong, it may not have directly feats, but indirectly, yes it has

BSM is made of Bijuu mode and Sage mode. Both Bijuu mode and Sage mode have feats so you can just combine them

Here, you got BSM feats

Proof? None.

retarded statement. sage mode drastically enhanceds attacks, speed,reaction time and sense ability thats like say it doesnt do anything to base naruto everyone already knows sage mode feats

Does it look like Naruto had a huge increase in ''strength, speed, reaction time, and sense ability'' after the BM/SM fusion to you?
No. Proof mate.
But if it makes you happy, Naruto can defeat Obito. If Kakashi had done it, why can't Naruto?

 

[KCMNaruto]

you just repeating manga scans.

when naruto (+ bee/hachibi, kakashi and guy) fought they could just put a fex scratches on him + breaking mask. he already got this sensing, super speed, super reaction time
etc. etc. etc. what ever you listed there.

naruto only got a chance when he has kakashi as back up.

minato could match up with obito because he can teleport. naruto must have a teleport ability,too. super speed isnt enough.

otherwise < kamui

WRONG,

1) Naruto was new to his flash/super speed.
2) Naruto didn't have chakra sensing ability but NEGATIVE EMOTIONS Sensing
3) Naruto didn't have great reaction time, but usual, Enhanced reaction times comes along with Sage mode
4) You reffer to Naruto in Past, but this thread is about Current Naruto

Please read again and then we can debate

 

[illidanson]

If Obito doesn't have Bijuus then Naruto takes this mid diff at best.

Obito simply doesn't have any attacks that can damage Naruto when he's in BM.
That's if he can even land a hit on someone as fast as BM Naruto.

Sure Kamui makes this a long match, but Obito can't stay in Kamui forever so Naruto will hit him sooner or later.

 

[Minator93]

Frog Fuu + Clones + BM, Naruto takes this high diff U_U