Can Adamantine Staff(Enma) damage Susanoo???

[Goddess Tsunade]

I'm just curious if Hiruzen's adamantine staff can damage Madara's Susanoo???

discuss guys! =D

 

[FemmeFatale]

It may be as hard as Tsunade's fist, but I think it depends on the weilder,

 

[Lay]

I think it can

 

[MickNerks]

It could damage (or harm) the kyuubi, so I think it should be able to do some damage to susanoo.

 

[NarutoIndra]

No, it's stated that it is adamantine, but it technically isn't. Admantine is an unbreakable/unpiercable poperty. However, it has already been stated by Enma himself that Kusanagi can pierce him, meaning he is breakable, meaning he isn't adamantine. OT: he can't damage Susano since he can't generate enough force.

 

[Mr Hiru]

Tsunade was able to crack Madara's PS with raw strength, so I don't see any objection for the Adamantine staff to do this job.

 

[Ahmed1993]

Tsunade was able to crack Madara's PS with raw strength, so I don't see any objection for the Adamantine staff to do this job.

Since when was she able to crack Perfect Susanoo ? o_o
She only cracked the Susanoo ribcage

 

[VolatileSoul]

It should be able to damage the ribcage, but only if Hiruzen is strong enough to put the necessary force behind the swing. Actually destroying the ribcage or any higher form is something I don't see him doing though.

 

[Goddess Tsunade]

It could damage (or harm) the kyuubi, so I think it should be able to do some damage to susanoo.

I can't remember that he caused damage to Kurama, all it did was push it away,
so I got curious if it can do the same or even do better to Susanoo

No, it's stated that it is adamantine, but it technically isn't. Admantine is an unbreakable/unpiercable poperty. However, it has already been stated by Enma himself that Kusanagi can pierce him, meaning he is breakable, meaning he isn't adamantine. OT: he can't damage Susano since he can't generate enough force.

yeah, I guess so.. Hiruzen hasn't shown any possibilities of him damaging Susanoo

It should be able to damage the ribcage, but only if Hiruzen is strong enough to put the necessary force behind the swing. Actually destroying the ribcage or any higher form is something I don't see him doing though.

I have doubts if he can even put a scratch on the ribcage version.

 

[veggetta13]

If you tried shubbing it through its arse, I think it might just do the job of doing any harm to Susano´o, otherwise it just sustains resistance to some of Susanoó physical attacks

 

[xcoyote]

Yeah,Prime Hiruzen > EMS Madara.

 

[Rainbow Dash]

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Kushina is 38 px 1.65 m tall.

Which scales the 321 px rock to 14 m.

Rock is 33 px 14m tall.

Which scales the 721 px Kurama to 306 m.

Kyuubi was on all fours when he was pushed by Enma. On all fours, roughly about 200m from ground to ears.

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Red Fox is 4.9-31 pounds, half a meter tall.

Which makes the Kyuubi about 400 times taller than a normal Red Fox.

Weight of Kurama:

400^3*31 = 1984000000 pounds

1984000000 pounds/2000 per ton = 992000 tons

992000 tons = 8.99927e8 kg = 41505279999942222.5 J

KE = (1/2)Mass*(Velocity)^2

Velocity = sqrt(KE/((1/2)Mass))

Velocity = sqrt(41505279999942222.5 J/((1/2)8.99927e8 kg))

Velocity = 9604.24 m/s

9604.24 m/s = Mach 28

Just a lowball on Enma's stats.

 

[veggetta13]

Here ya go.



Just a lowball on Enma's stats.

Stupid stats used on some other thread on which u posted. When has Emma in its staff-mode being seen volleying foes like a slammer?
Plus give me a break? You use an actual red fox as a reference? 400 times its size? He is just supposed to have immense power, caught out of balance.

 

[Rainbow Dash]

stupid stats used on som ewother thread on which u posted. When has Emma in its staff-mode being seen balling foes like a slammer?
Plus give me a break? You use an actual red fox as a reference? 44 times its size? He is supposed to have immense power, caught out of balance.

I can barely understand you with that 5 year old English.

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Is Kurama a red fox? Answer that.

 

[veggetta13]

I can barely understand you with that 5 year old English.

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Is Kurama a red fox? Answer that.

Kurama is a fictional character representing a gigantic power. You are using the writer´s fictional references as certainties to hold on to your argument. That failed certainty is Enma defeated Kurama on tug of war, which never happened. Sarutobi took the fox by surpise and made a sneak attack, being able to counter kurama by pushing him backwards, no harm inflicted

I find hilarious you actually believe this thread is the proper place to hold onto a long time dismissed comment of yours, by trading a 9 tailed bijuu for a Susano´o. That´s even dumber.

 

[Rainbow Dash]

Kurama is a fictional character representing a gigantic power. You are using the writer´s fictional references as certainties to hold on to your argument. That failed certainty is Enma defeated Kurama on tug of war, which never happened. Sarutobi took the fox by surpise and made a sneak attack, being able to counter kurama by pushing him backwards, no harm inflicted

I find hilarious you actually believe this thread is the proper place to hold onto a long time dismissed comment of yours, by trading a 9 tailed bijuu for a Susano´o. That´s even dumber.

This is literally the best rebuttal I have ever witnessed on forums.

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This argument provides me with relevant manga and mathematical proof that counters all my arguments.

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[veggetta13]

This is literally the best rebuttal I have ever witnessed on forums.

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This argument provides me with relevant manga and mathematical proof that counters all my arguments.

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Raikage on the one hand crushed single-handedly the back of Susano´o, with some ease, on the other hand it´s you proving a hypothetical fox 400 times its real size is able to push away Susanoó, has strength to harm Susano´o, without being able to harm somebody whose a living being, more fragile.
This is proof ^^^

Most probably you haven´t read the manga, but nowadays Kurama is able to change a landscape with a single blow, you see Enma is a bit out of date, PLUS, he hasn´t joined the party with the other edo kages. No update, means same strength, Enma can´t do Susano´o, not even twinkle him

 

[Rainbow Dash]

Raikage on the one hand crushed single-handedly the back of Susano´o, with some ease, on the other hand it´s you proving a hypothetical fox 400 times its real size is able to push away Susanoó, has strength to harm Susano´o, without being able to harm somebody whose a living being, more fragile.
This is proof ^^^

Most probably you haven´t read the manga, but nowadays Kurama is able to change a landscape with a single blow, you see Enma is a bit out of date, PLUS, he hasn´t joined the party with the other edo kages. No update, means same strength, Enma can´t do Susano´o, not even twinkle him

I don't get why you keep saying that Enma is out of date, that fact does not matter at all. It doesn't change the fact that the feat still stands. Keyword: Feat

In case you don't know, there is such thing as powerscaling. It's clear that you don't understand any of my math, so I will just explain this give you two manga feats that you should have known. Hiruzen's Kongo Nyoi was able to push back a full Kurama several hundred meters back. The Juubi's first form laser bomb could not even budge a 50% Kurama. Now are you starting to see how powerful Enma's striking strength is? If you still don't, then you might just be an ignoramus.

 

[veggetta13]

I don't get why you keep saying that Enma is out of date, that fact does not matter at all. It doesn't change the fact that the feat still stands. Keyword: Feat

In case you don't know, there is such thing as powerscaling. It's clear that you don't understand any of my math, so I will just explain this give you two manga feats that you should have known. Hiruzen's Kongo Nyoi was able to push back a full Kurama several hundred meters back. The Juubi's first form laser bomb could not even budge a 50% Kurama. Now are you starting to see how powerful Enma's striking strength is? If you still don't, then you might just be an ignoramus.

I do read you took the time for it, I see the math but don´t match up agreeing such force breaks Susano´o immediately after impact. A staff works more as a spacial asset, for marking a distance and giving strokes every now and then. I see Enma as such comparable with Gaara´s sand. While fighting Orochimaru, Enma stated working on pair with Sarutobi would have made a difference.

I do not see Sarutobi slamming Sasuke on with ENMA-staff, being able to break through the Susano´o barrier, plus S-moves as quick as Sasuke= Sarutobi7 Sasuke slower ..... can´t hit if it can´t see, could it?

 

[Vegeto30294]

Awkward moment where Enma has more feats than Hiruzen himself.