Latest News on Uzumaki Theory (Thread By Me and Sir Derp Obito)

[SasoriOfTheRedSaand]

Derp Obito is a hypocrite Lol

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Thaaaaank you Bogard.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

This is actually very interesting and plausible indeed.

I always wondered why the Reaper was a female, Maybe this is why. Good find.

The Hannya Mask (般若) itself takes its name from the Sino-Japanese word for prajna or wisdom, the mask was named as such because the Perfection Sutras (Hannya Scroll) were effective against demons.

The Prajnaparamita or the Hannya-Haramitta speaks of the Six Perfections practiced by a Bodhisattva aka a Sage, a Sennin

Rikudou is a Bodhisattva symbolized by the Six Rings of his Staff (A Buddha has 12 rings)

The Six Perfections Are:

1. Dāna pāramitā: generosity
2. Śīla pāramitā : virtue
3. Kṣānti (kshanti) pāramitā : patience
4. Vīrya pāramitā : diligence
5. Dhyāna pāramitā : contemplation
6. Prajñā pāramitā : wisdom, insight

He who has followed devoutly the Six Perfections becomes a Bodhisattva, a Sennin.

The Bodhisattva then has mastery of the Six Realms/Paths also known as Rokudō 六道

1. Naraka Path
2. Preta Path
3. Animal Path
4. Asura Path
5. Human Path
6. Deva Path

Much like Rikudou Sennin who is the Sage of the Six Paths.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Now for the "Hyuuga Argument" :


Kakashi said that the origins of the Uchiha Clan lie (come from) with the Hyuuga Clan which implies that the Uchihas are descendants of the Hyuugas making the Uchiha (based on Kakashi's hearsay info) a close blood relative of the Hyuugas for being an off-shoot clan, not distant blood relatives:

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Also the character in question (Kakashi) was not making a definitive statement but rather working on hearsay and speculations (Kakashi: "They Say...") therefore the validity of his statement is questionable.

Here is Kakashi again saying erroneous things based on speculations and hearsays:

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Also, many things in part 1 had been retconned like Minato being the creator of Shiki Fuujin:

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^ And for years the fanboys based their claim that Minato created RDS solely on that panel, much like some are basing their argument on Kakashi's non-definitive and speculative statement about the Hyuugas.

While the Uzumaki backstory was introduced way over chapter 500 in part II

 

[Xāvî1]

alright - Here is some facts

While Obito was known as tobi - we flamed each other without scans. afterwards it was proven tobi was obito.
2nd Madara's Rinnegan theory- Without scans and proof we flamed each other. same here afterwards it was proven.

Same will happen with the Uzumaki clan. you guys can come back to me and Derp latter, saying sorry.

There is another proof also - Why did madara give his eyes to uzumaki rather than a senju member, Or a uchiha member.

Answer is simple you need both bloods (senju and Uchiha) to control the rinnegan. Madara also said obito can control the mazou without the rinnegan that is because he is half senju and half uchiha.

Yet no one answers when their logic is peeled of by the truth

 

[Klad]

This is getting interesting .

I hope that mods don't close this :devil:

 

[Raekwon26]

Derp Obito is a hypocrite Lol

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Thaaaaank you Bogard.

What is all this?

 

[Kishi Uzumaki]

Then it might be the reason hyuga's protect secrets of byakugan that much .

 

[Kairos]

Derp Obito is a hypocrite Lol

Spoiler

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Thaaaaank you Bogard.

Wow, this nigga is fake as f***. Can't believe people listen to a guy who spams bullshit theories Lol

 

[Bronze]

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As you can see, Nagato himself is senju descendant despite being Uzumaki. Uzumaki were stated to be blood relative of senju.

Bloodline: having characteristic of ancestor.

If we take Zetsu statament with Kushina, then the only way it would be accurate and most understandable is that Uzumaki came from senju which makes them grandchildren.

/Thread.

 

[Edo Odin]

Yet no one answers when their logic is peeled of by the truth

Truth? Please. Your effort [Or actually, Derp's effort] doesn't change the facts, and the fact is, that nothing has been confirmed yet. No matter how likely/unlikely a theory may be, it's never going to be a fact, until it has been confirmed by Masashi. Don't make the mistake of thinking that you can go around spouting theories as a fact just because you think it's the truth.​

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[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Truth? Please. Your [Or actually, Derp's effort] doesn't change the facts, and the fact is, that nothing has been confirmed yet. No matter how likely/unlikely a theory may be, it's never going to be a fact, until it has been confirmed by Masashi. Don't make the mistake of thinking that you can go around spouting theories as a fact just because you think it's the truth.​

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Tbh I never even told the OP to post this thread, he simply vm'ed me to look at his chart and I showed him mine, then this thread came out.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

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As you can see, Nagato himself is senju descendant despite being Uzumaki. Uzumaki were stated to be blood relative of senju.

Bloodline: having characteristic of ancestor.

If we take Zetsu statament with Kushina, then the only way it would be accurate and most understandable is that Uzumaki came from senju which makes them grandchildren.

/Thread.

Incorrect


There is a great misconception in Zetsu's statement in chapter 606 saying that Nagato is a descendant of the Senjus because he is of Senju Lineage:

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It is not Zetsu's statement that is erroneous but the interpretation of others, if we take the translation of lineage based on the context of Zetsu's statement in conjunction with Kushina's statement in a previous chapter, the most accurate meaning of lineage, based on context, is the anthropological definition of the word: Kinship/Consanguinity:

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Kushina said the Uzumakis and Senjus were distant relatives, the true intended meaning of the word "lineage" based on the context of Zetsu's statement was : Consanguine of being related by blood, not Nagato descending from the Senjus : Nagato is a blood relative (lineage) of the Senju.

If the Senjus and Uzumakis descended from the same ancestor (Younger Son) then they will be close/immediate relatives, not distant relatives like Kushina said, which would contradict her statement and Manga canon, so it's logical to assume that the present day Uzumakis are "cousins" to both Senju and Uchiha since they did not descend from Rikudou himself but from Rikudou's relatives.

Also the original Japanese text of Zetsu in 606 is this:

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The original Japanese word that Zetsu used was "血縁" or Ketsuen which translates as "Blood Relative" NOT 子孫 or Shison which means descendant.

Anyone who can read Japanese will tell you that Zetsu's statement only meant blood relations but not pertaining to descent:

Sorry Sasuke2, but you're wrong. Try to read original Japanese manga Naruto especially if your theory is based on one word. Here:

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Here we have chapter you mentioned (Chapter 606):

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Now carefully look at Zetsu's words. Ser Derp Obito is right about this chapter. Zetsu used word 血縁 written in hiragana like this けつえん. And this word has only two meanings:
1) blood relative or relationship
2) consanguinity

 

[Xāvî1]

Then it might be the reason hyuga's protect secrets of byakugan that much .

Hyuugas Byakugan is a jutsu. that disappears after the user dies, Sharingan and Rinnegan are real doujutsus with stays forever. So they can't be uchiha relatives by blood.

 

[SasoriOfTheRedSaand]

What is all this?

It's his failed theories on another forum. He has the nerve to screenshot Varrah when he's responsible for all that garbage? Lol, please.

 

[Shura]

What is all this?

CuteJuubi is Sir Derp's account on NF.

 

[Raekwon26]

It's his failed theories on another forum. He has the nerve to screenshot Varrah when he's responsible for all that garbage? Lol, please.

Oh wow... how do you guys know it's him? =D

EDIT: Saw AC's post.

Derp lied to me. He said none of his 'theories' have ever been wrong.

 

[Shura]

Oh wow... how do you guys know it's him? =D

He said it once in a random thread.. I can't remember the thread's name tho'.

 

[LeonArashi]

bring us manga proof saying word by word that the ootsutsuki clan changed its name over time to the uzumaki clan that they are one and the same. Providing a scan with no relevance to the matter isnt helping.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

He has the nerve to screenshot Varrah when he's responsible for all that garbage? Lol, please.

599 was revealed and yet he and the failed Izuna theorists still argue that it could still be Izuna's consciousness Inhabiting Obito's Body

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Despite the fact that the entire 599 chapter was dedicated to Obito's PoV flashback.

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It's either complete stupidity, desperation or absolute denial Lol

 

[Bronze]

blood relation
noun
plural noun: blood relatives
1.
a person who is related to another by birth rather than by marriage

No one is having it wrong derp. Its you who isn't understanding. Blood relatives are related by birth or marriage.

Marriage isn't blood relationship. Looking at its other meaning, its birth. It would either mean Uzumaki were given birth by Senju which explains their vitality powers or Uzumaki gave birth to Senju but we have Zetsu statement to make it more easier to understand. Therefore the only conclusion is Uzumaki came from Senju. Deal with it.