Obito vs Kabuto

[Brother Numpsay]

Not even worth a debate Obito wins low difficulty... He uses Gedo Mazo GG... Gedo Mazo can use this for his water body...

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Thats it's raiton tech that took out the Mountain sandwich...

Except Kabuto is not water.
Except Manda 2 dwarfs Gezo and eats it for breakfest (not literally)

 

[KidGamer65]

Except Kabuto is not water.
Except Manda 2 dwarfs Gezo and eats it for breakfest (not literally)

He'll still be dead regardless.

lmao, never. Manda II may dwarf the Gedo Mazo but the Mazo's feats show that its far superior to Manda II. Mazo beats Manda II around like a rag doll.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

He'll still be dead regardless.

lmao, never. Manda II may dwarf the Gedo Mazo but the Mazo's feats show that its far superior to Manda II. Mazo beats Manda II around like a rag doll.

Dead how?

feat wise we have to look at Manda 1 feats: Shedding tech, Digging/Mole tech, Agility, powerful suppression. Kabuto stated that it bigger, stronger, and has far more acute senses than the original. Plus it has hands to top it all off. Mazo is not overpowering Manda II.

I plan on making a thread to show how he should be more overpowered.

 

[KidGamer65]

Dead how?

If you think Kabuto is tanking a chakra blast with Mountain level DC then you are going to need some serious reevaluation of your opinion. Liquefying and any form of this ability won't save him.

[feat wise we have to look at Manda 1 feats: Shedding tech, Digging/Mole tech, Agility, powerful suppression. Kabuto stated that it bigger, stronger, and has far more acute senses than the original. Plus it has hands to top it all off. Mazo is not overpowering Manda II.

I plan on making a thread to show how he should be more overpowered.

Far more strength than Manda I isn't impressive when compared to the Mazo considering it easily held back a Mountain trying to crush it. Far stronger than Manda I isn't enough for anyone believe it can take the Mazo when Manda I was already fodder to compared to the Mazo.

Gedo Mazo would destroy Manda II with ease. Even if it can't, Obito can subdue it on his own so...

 

[MasqueradeNX]

I'd like to say Kabuto aha But idk... Both can win.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

If you think Kabuto is tanking a chakra blast with Mountain level DC then you are going to need some serious reevaluation of your opinion. Liquefying and any form of this ability won't save him.

Suijetsu body was able to live a TBB to the face so the best it would do is but Kabuto in that state. Having Karins regeneration enables him to survive and walk again. But since that wouldn't benefit him, when Obito can Kamui him during his "state", that move wouldn't even hit him.

Far more strength than Manda I isn't impressive when compared to the Mazo considering it easily held back a Mountain trying to crush it. Far stronger than Manda I isn't enough for anyone believe it can take the Mazo when Manda I was already fodder to compared to the Mazo.

Gedo Mazo would destroy Manda II with ease. Even if it can't, Obito can subdue it on his own so...

Manda II took down/ supressed a whole turtle island that carried 2 buijuus, giant animals, etcs. I am pretty sure that is enough to hold down Gezo.

Kabuto had came prepared when facing Genjutsu with using his own snakes via battle Sasuke and Itachi.
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. Kabuto could instead rely solely upon his snakes' ability to perceive their surroundings through sensing the ambient temperatures and smells using their tongues, rather than his own sight. So Genjutsu it will not work here

 

[Draegod]

Kabuto Wins.. Tobi is my Niguh, but Kabuto wins.

 

[Murasame]

Kabuto Wins.. Tobi is my Niguh, but Kabuto wins.

Interesting I'd like to see how U_U

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Kabuto Wins.. Tobi is my Niguh, but Kabuto wins.

How does Kabuto deal with Obito's Kamui-Defensively

 

[Draphsin]

Suijetsu body was able to live a TBB to the face so the best it would do is but Kabuto in that state. Having Karins regeneration enables him to survive and walk again. But since that wouldn't benefit him, when Obito can Kamui him during his "state", that move wouldn't even hit him.

It was no thanks to the massive body of water that he was able to do so, kabuto being comprised of a smaller volume of water will almost certainly evaporate due to the heat of the blast.

Liquefying doesnt save him with suigetsu's feats, especially when obito has multiple katon jutsus which can literally vaporize him.

Manda II took down/ supressed a whole turtle island that carried 2 buijuus, giant animals, etcs. I am pretty sure that is enough to hold down Gezo.

Turtle was passive, the only reason that manda was able to take it down so easily was because of its size, the fact that the gedo can stop a huge mountain proves that it can withstand tons of force. If the snake tries to go for the mazou then he'll try to bite it (as coiling wont work, he's too small). In this case the gedo can grab the jaws of manda & launch a chakra blast straight into its mouth, thereby putting it out of commission.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

It was no thanks to the massive body of water that he was able to do so, kabuto being comprised of a smaller volume of water will almost certainly evaporate due to the heat of the blast.

Liquefying doesnt save him with suigetsu's feats, especially when obito has multiple katon jutsus which can literally vaporize him.

I don't get how the massive body of water did anything, in no way did it slow the the impact. Kabuto's body is just a form of liquid, it was never said it was "water". Creating its own liquid state can make up to not having a water source to "build up volume". Not that it even help Suijutsu take a TBB to the face anyway.

Turtle was passive, the only reason that manda was able to take it down so easily was because of its size, the fact that the gedo can stop a huge mountain proves that it can withstand tons of force. If the snake tries to go for the mazou then he'll try to bite it (as coiling wont work, he's too small). In this case the gedo can grab the jaws of manda & launch a chakra blast straight into its mouth, thereby putting it out of commission.

In that case he can strictly use its tail for fighting mechanism. It also has limbs to take down the gezo too, which can hold it down from there. Or just toss it away somewhere.

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[Draphsin]

I don't get how the massive body of water did anything, in no way did it slow the the impact. Kabuto's body is just a form of liquid, it was never said it was "water". Creating its own liquid state can make up to not having a water source to "build up volume". Not that it even help Suijutsu take a TBB to the face anyway.

So you're telling me that suigetsu can survive a tailed beast bomb without the help of the lake?

Anyways, what you aren't getting is that the body of water is near infinite & it can take any form, the tbb did obliterate much of the water but it looked as though nothing happened due to water's composition. [

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What I'm saying is that kabuto is liquid yes, but he cannot create more liquid than the volume/weight of his own body (unless he produces suiton in some form). & since that would be the case, then the tbb/chakra blast would still vaporize him. Kabuto does not have enough mass in order to survive such an attack.

In that case he can strictly use its tail for fighting mechanism. It also has limbs to take down the gezo too, which can hold it down from there. Or just toss it away somewhere.

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Manda swings its tail & the gedo grabs it & tosses him. Manda's tiny arms? You think manda has enough arm strength to push aside a mountain-stopping, choji-tanking statue?[

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] The sheer strength of the gedo is one of the reason's why its so powerful as a summon.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

So you're telling me that suigetsu can survive a tailed beast bomb without the help of the lake?

Anyways, what you aren't getting is that the body of water is near infinite & it can take any form, the tbb did obliterate much of the water but it looked as though nothing happened due to water's composition. [

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What I'm saying is that kabuto is liquid yes, but he cannot create more liquid than the volume/weight of his own body (unless he produces suiton in some form). & since that would be the case, then the tbb would still vaporize him. Kabuto does not have enough mass in order to survive such an attack.

Ok.

I just found it weird that you brought up Katon vs Kabuto.

Manda swings its tail & the gedo grabs it & tosses him. Manda's tiny arms? You think manda has enough arm strength to push aside a mountain-stopping, choji-tanking statue?[

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] The sheer strength of the gedo is one of the reason's why its so powerful as a summon.

Lol just because stop a Earth attack from crushing him doesn't give it the strength feats to throw a island size summoning. So yes I do think his tiny arms, which are bigger then Gezo has the strength to stop him. Gyuki punch was enough to KO it so don't even underrate Manda II who far stronger

 

[SasoriOfTheRedSaand]

Obito ****s him up.

 

[Draphsin]

Ok.

I just found it weird that you brought up Katon vs Kabuto.

I see.

Lol just because stop a Earth attack from crushing him doesn't give it the strength feats to throw a island size summoning. So yes I do think his tiny arms, which are bigger then Gezo has the strength to stop him. Gyuki punch was enough to KO it so don't even underrate Manda II who far stronger

Manda isnt island sized, he's a few mountain sizes at best. Look at kabuto entering the nose, his head is nowhere near the size of a mountain so the whole thing wouldn't be island level either.[

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] Actually, when you compare manda to this picture of 100% kurama, you can see that their roughly the same size (with manda being somewhat larger).[

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] & finally coupled with this scan it then becomes apparent that the island is not as big as its hyped up to be, 100% kurama could take up half the island judging by the size of manda's head. [

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& Yes manda was able to pin down an island sized summoning but that's because snakes are powerful when they coil. A smallish snake can strangle a human if he's not careful so it's not unheard of to say that a smaller snake can take down a larger & thus slower creature.

His arms are not bigger than the gedo, his head size proves this.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

I see.

Cause you know, he was Suiton jutsu and stuff. And like his body should be able to take the heat and all that

Manda isnt island sized, he's a few mountain sizes at best. Look at kabuto entering the nose, his head is nowhere near the size of a mountain so the whole thing wouldn't be island level either.[

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] Actually, when you compare manda to this picture of 100% kurama, you can see that their roughly the same size (with manda being somewhat larger).[

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] & finally coupled with this scan it then becomes apparent that the island is not as big as its hyped up to be, 100% kurama could take up half the island judging by the size of manda's head. [

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& Yes manda was able to pin down an island sized summoning but that's because snakes are powerful when they coil. A smallish snake can strangle a human if he's not careful so it's not unheard of to say that a smaller snake can take down a larger & thus slower creature.

His arms are not bigger than the gedo, his head size proves this.

Your scaling is wrong for the fact that the turtle was carrying a Buijuu inside of him. But you may be right width-wise.
Kurama is the same size as any normal size summoning. At the end of the day Manda II will overpower Gezo

 

[Draphsin]

Cause you know, he was Suiton jutsu and stuff. And like his body should be able to take the heat and all that

Yes but the scale of obito's katon is enugh to evaporate the water, just sayin

Your scaling is wrong for the fact that the turtle was carrying a Buijuu inside of him. But you may be right width-wise.
Kurama is the same size as any normal size summoning. At the end of the day Manda II will overpower Gezo

Inside of him? Dont recall, the only time I remember a bijuu being "on" the turtle is here.[

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] But even then, all other bijuu are much smaller than 100% kurama so having gyuki fitting on top of the turtle like that isnt unheard of.[

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If you're talking about that special room, then that shouldnt apply because its specifically designed to house bijuu, hence the white atmosphere.

At the end of the day, manda is not touching the gedo who is a mountain buster/has strength & AoE which matches or even surpasses that of 100% kurama (albeit without the bijuudama obviously ). [

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[Draegod]

I'll Gladly show you why he wins. #LehGo


Tobi only argument many will us is Kamui and Gedo Mazou. Although they are a broken move set he has, Kabuto has ways around them. Ill give a brief summary on how he gets around his only 2 arguments.

Dealing with Kamui:

The thing Kabuto has going for him is his knowledge and Skill set to match almost any character. DSM is what makes Kamui 100% Useless! Kamui "suck in/Warping" works by grabbing the target, then warping them. As seen

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Basically Against a ninja Of Kabuto abilities it is useless to ever try to warp him because he has 2 counters. 1 counter is the most simplest. Oral Rebirth kabuto Style! As seen

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, he can shed in a spilt second like its nothing almost instantly! With that Defense Tobi will never ever some how grab a hold of him then warp him before he can shed!

Next we have the offense way to counter Obito and his Kamui... The snakes or DoubleGangers! The Snake he has on his Stomach in DSM is known to be a separate entity when it comes to mind as seen

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. And we all know Obito has to be solid in order to warp.

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And with his Sage mode enhanced Reflexes he will have no problem shedding or Counter attacking at the last second before Obito could ever touch him to be able to warp him. The snake can move and counter attack On its Own as seen

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. And with Sakon/ukon ability to make doubles on kabuto they 2 can also be used to counter attack when obito ever wishes to try to warp kabuto.

Next is dealing with his Intangible Kamui body:

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As seen above, he has to be solid to attack and if timed right you can counter attack. While it may be difficult for almost all, for kabuto it isn't that difficult. As explained above in my post, kabuto has ways to counter attack when obito trys to attack. Or kabuto can simply over whelm Obito with the Bone Forest and spider webs set up everywhere. This would force obito to try and stay intangible. But as you know he cannot stay for long in that state and with bone forest out we have a Situation!!! haha

Kabuto>>>>Kamui anything from Obito!

Next Ill deal with the Gedo Mazou Argument.

The Gedo Mazou doesnt have any attack that can hurt Kabuto lets just get that out the way. PPl try to say this:

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But forget Kabuto can Do this:

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Which is a manga fact that it blocks Anything Chakra related. AKA "ALL CHAKRA!" SO in short Anything chakra related (fire jutsu, lighting jutsu, pure chakra, Ama', enton etc.), All of that Is Null and void thanks to Kidomarus DNA ability which gives Kabuto this option.

Then we have Manda 2 which simply Towers and over powers The gedo mazo who got knock out by Naruto and Bee

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, while the Gedo isn't at mountain monster size. And this is Manda 1 btw

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. MAnda 1 was fast enough to dodge Acid at point blank range dame near

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, and was able to tank a oil fire combo (which is beyond regular fire btw) with ease by shedding last second and traveling underground

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So in short im not saying manda 2 will be able to defeat the Gedo, rather keep him busy so kabuto can defeat obito. And keep in mind this is just how Kabuto can counter obito simple ways. lmao

 

[Bogard]

Oral rebirth will not work Draegod

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Kamui suck everything in or around the black hole. Because of the pressing effect of the jutsu, Kabuto or its subtitute won't be able to get out of the area

The speed of Kamui also variies depending on the Kamui user's will

 

[Draegod]

Oral rebirth will not work Draegod

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Kamui suck everything in or around the black hole. Because of the pressing effect of the jutsu, Kabuto or its subtitute won't be able to get out of the area

The speed of Kamui also variies depending on the Kamui user's will

Diedara doesn't have anything to escape it, so your point is moot since kabuto isn't diedara nor do they have anything close to the same abilities. That Kamui was being Held open for a good amount of time. OBITO's Kamui does not stay open for that long, because it leaves his body open for counter attacks.

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"It takes longer for you to adsorb someone or something else" Kakashi and Obito Kamui ability are not identical. SO please dont bring anything Kakashi up.