Diedara doesn't have anything to escape it, so your point is moot since kabuto isn't diedara nor do they have anything close to the same abilities. That Kamui was being Held open for a good amount of time. OBITO's Kamui does not stay open for that long, because it leaves his body open for counter attacks.
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"It takes longer for you to adsorb someone or something else" Kakashi and Obito Kamui ability are not identical. SO please dont bring anything Kakashi up.
Tell me again how Kakshi and Obito first have to touch or grab you to warp the opponent? Oh wait... -___-.. KAkashi doesnt have to Touch anything, all he has to do is see you! I didnt know Obito simply looks at you and its instant Warp.
Please Do not Bring Kakashi up. Just because they both have Kamui doesnt mean they use them identical and have the same eff other then same dimension bruh. Fact Obito first has to make contact, and the reason he goes for a grab notion is because he doesnt want you to run or try and escape easily. As seen in all of his fights ever.
Tobi only argument many will us is Kamui and Gedo Mazou. Although they are a broken move set he has, Kabuto has ways around them. Ill give a brief summary on how he gets around his only 2 arguments.
Dealing with Kamui:
The thing Kabuto has going for him is his knowledge and Skill set to match almost any character. DSM is what makes Kamui 100% Useless! Kamui "suck in/Warping" works by grabbing the target, then warping them. As seen
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Basically Against a ninja Of Kabuto abilities it is useless to ever try to warp him because he has 2 counters. 1 counter is the most simplest. Oral Rebirth kabuto Style! As seen
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, he can shed in a spilt second like its nothing almost instantly! With that Defense Tobi will never ever some how grab a hold of him then warp him before he can shed!
Next we have the offense way to counter Obito and his Kamui... The snakes or DoubleGangers! The Snake he has on his Stomach in DSM is known to be a separate entity when it comes to mind as seen
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. And we all know Obito has to be solid in order to warp.
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And with his Sage mode enhanced Reflexes he will have no problem shedding or Counter attacking at the last second before Obito could ever touch him to be able to warp him. The snake can move and counter attack On its Own as seen
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Next is dealing with his Intangible Kamui body:
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As seen above, he has to be solid to attack and if timed right you can counter attack. While it may be difficult for almost all, for kabuto it isn't that difficult. As explained above in my post, kabuto has ways to counter attack when obito trys to attack. Or kabuto can simply over whelm Obito with the Bone Forest and spider webs set up everywhere. This would force obito to try and stay intangible. But as you know he cannot stay for long in that state and with bone forest out we have a Situation!!! haha
Kabuto>>>>Kamui anything from Obito!
Next Ill deal with the Gedo Mazou Argument.
The Gedo Mazou doesnt have any attack that can hurt Kabuto lets just get that out the way. PPl try to say this:
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But forget Kabuto can Do this:
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Which is a manga fact that it blocks Anything Chakra related. AKA "ALL CHAKRA!" SO in short Anything chakra related (fire jutsu, lighting jutsu, pure chakra, Ama', enton etc.), All of that Is Null and void thanks to Kidomarus DNA ability which gives Kabuto this option.
Then we have Manda 2 which simply Towers and over powers The gedo mazo who got knock out by Naruto and Bee
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! And Manda 2
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, while the Gedo isn't at mountain monster size. And this is Manda 1 btw
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. MAnda 1 was fast enough to dodge Acid at point blank range dame near
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So in short im not saying manda 2 will be able to defeat the Gedo, rather keep him busy so kabuto can defeat obito. And keep in mind this is just how Kabuto can counter obito simple ways. lmao
Draegod ill take this if you promise to keep your response clean (I know how you get during debates). If I'm wrong then prove it, don't insult meh. :heh:
Draegod ill take this if you promise to keep your response clean (I know how you get during debates). If I'm wrong then prove it, don't insult meh. :heh:
Bro honestly I can care less for this debate, just gave my two cents on why I think what I think. And you obviously do not know me to know why I "insult", if you come at me wrong I put you in your place. Very simple logic. You stay respectful, it stays "clean", the moment you or anyone step out of line is when I show up and show out.
The very few who I fuq with on this site can vouch for me. Just don't be do doft and take things personal. It's just fun. Haha
Inside of him? Dont recall, the only time I remember a bijuu being "on" the turtle is here.[
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If you're talking about that special room, then that shouldnt apply because its specifically designed to house bijuu, hence the white atmosphere.
At the end of the day, manda is not touching the gedo who is a mountain buster/has strength & AoE which matches or even surpasses that of 100% kurama (albeit without the bijuudama obviously ). [
As you can see in that scan the area part of where Gyuki is at, is only the part of the turtles shell. The turtle dwarfs Gyuuji and if you fit Kurama in there too only not even matter. Posting that of Kyuubi size scan has been interpret wrong in so many ways. People think because 50 Kurama is smaller and current Kurama is the same size as every other buijuu, therefore Kurama is way bigger then the others. But the fact is Kurama chakra shroad makes himself normal buijuu size to make up with his old flesh.
I also was going to use that example, but that place is basically a hypoblic time chamber so nvm.
Bro honestly I can care less for this debate, just gave my two cents on why I think what I think. And you obviously do not know me to know why I "insult", if you come at me wrong I put you in your place. Very simple logic. You stay respectful, it stays "clean", the moment you or anyone step out of line is when I show up and show out.
The very few who I fuq with on this site can vouch for me. Just don't be do doft and take things personal. It's just fun. Haha
Well Ill probably post something later then, just for gigs. :heh:
& lol dont worry, I never take anything on the internet personal, It just gets outta hand sometimes (in general) when those comments are made. In the end it just makes for more writing on my part so its most likely just me & my laziness. :O
Seriously? You compared kabuto's suiton to obito's juubi sezed katon? Nah man he's getting roasted.
As you can see in that scan the area part of where Gyuki is at, is only the part of the turtles shell. The turtle dwarfs Gyuuji and if you fit Kurama in there too only not even matter.
The turtle doesnt dwarf gyuki, the scan was a close up so its impossible to interpret properly.
Look at comparison between 100% kurama & manda's head, they are roughly the same size. I literally don't see how that isnt adequate enough proof, the only few shots we got of manda are all we have so I'm merely showing you the best comparison between the two. Rather than comparing the island to manda I simply went from 100% kurama to manda, much easier to compare as we have better/more shots of him.
Posting that of Kyuubi size scan has been interpret wrong in so many ways.
No its not. There are multiple scans of kurama compared to 100% kurama, their size differs
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People think because 50 Kurama is smaller and current Kurama is the same size as every other buijuu, therefore Kurama is way bigger then the others. But the fact is Kurama chakra shroad makes himself normal buijuu size to make up with his old flesh.
Seriously? You compared kabuto's suiton to obito's juubi sezed katon? Nah man he's getting roasted. The turtle doesnt dwarf gyuki, the scan was a close up so its impossible to interpret properly. Look at comparison between 100% kurama & manda's head, they are roughly the same size. I literally don't see how that isnt adequate enough proof, the only few shots we got of manda are all we have so I'm merely showing you the best comparison between the two. Rather than comparing the island to manda I simply went from 100% kurama to manda, much easier to compare as we have better/more shots of him.
No its not. There are multiple scans of kurama compared to 100% kurama, their size differs
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Ive had this argument with you before, I remember. Yang kurama is much, much smaller than 100% kurama. Just look at any image portraying the two.
Yes I did compare it. The fire couldn't even burn through V1 Kurama chakra, so I don't see it as powerful as it seem to be, but more focus of range capacity. Using Suiton dragon to shield him, powered with senjutsu should be enough at best. Plus I think Juubi Katon is only used connected with Juubi only. Plus there are fluids that are able to handle heating capacity, which Kabuto use his own made up fuilds, that should be able to withstand it temporary.
Those scans are always in accurate in scaling. To ruin that whole scaling is this scan [
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How exactly is that baseless and false assumption? Kurama is in the same size range as all Buijuu's and Boss Summons, fact.
We can compare a Boss Summon to 100% here [
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Which concludes: Bunta fought 1st tails, and they are the same size. All tails were on the same scale in size shown. 50% chakra shroud BM was in the same scale as all Buijuus, therefore its not baseless or a false assumption.
Katon can't burn through any v1 chakra, point is that its all fire. What is lacks in power it easily makes up for in size.
Using Suiton dragon to shield him, powered with senjutsu should be enough at best. Plus I think Juubi Katon is only used connected with Juubi only. Plus there are fluids that are able to handle heating capacity, which Kabuto use his own made up fuilds, that should be able to withstand it temporary.
No it won't be enough, kabuto is not producing juubi level katon with no feats suggesting he can.
& no juubi katon was after they got disconnected.
As for the liquid, he's liquefying his body, he isnt transforming himself into a fire resistant liquid. He liquefies his body so his body will be the material its made up of, either that or simply water itself since the body is already 70% water anyways. Point being that his liquid whatever it may be comprised of will still evaporate due to the heat of the fire.
Those scans are always in accurate in scaling. To ruin that whole scaling is this scan [
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]. Go ahead scale it, the teeth/etc is the same as 100%. This will end up being a Buijuu size argument again so Ill just drop it here. But I was called out by someone which I will reply and quote for a sec.
How exactly does this ruin the scaling? Kurama's chakra avatar in that pic is distorted, how many
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of kurama do I have to
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Yes, this is a biluu size argument because you're obviously missing the clear size difference.
Below are images that show when you zoom in on naruto then kurama's avatar becomes larger in appearance.
Scan 1 - kurama's teeth roughly same size as naruto. [
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Scan 2 - profile view of both, accurately showing us the size comparison. [
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Here too, eye is larger in close up, much smaller in the more accurate profile view (side view). [
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So don't base your opinion off of distorted avatars but rather base it off of every avatar ever & use that knowledge to logically base your decision, that logic should point towards kishi implying the size difference but he doesn't accurately portray those kinds of close ups.
Well you really shouldnt have.Katon can't burn through any v1 chakra, point is that its all fire. What is lacks in power it easily makes up for in size. No it won't be enough, kabuto is not producing juubi level katon with no feats suggesting he can. & no juubi katon was after they got disconnected.
As for the liquid, he's liquefying his body, he isnt transforming himself into a fire resistant liquid. He liquefies his body so his body will be the material its made up of, either that or simply water itself since the body is already 70% water anyways. Point being that his liquid whatever it may be comprised of will still evaporate due to the heat of the fire.
Except the category substance of his liquid is Fluid. Fluids can be any substance bar Water. Kabuto already distinguish his fluids apart from water like the Hozuki clan.
How exactly does this ruin the scaling? Kurama's chakra avatar in that pic is distorted, how many
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of kurama do I have to
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before you understand that they are in
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equal? They are completely
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as portrayed & demonstrated
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times in the
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Yes, this is a biluu size argument because you're obviously missing the clear size difference.
Below are images that show when you zoom in on naruto then kurama's avatar becomes larger in appearance.
Scan 1 - kurama's teeth roughly same size as naruto. [
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Scan 2 - profile view of both, accurately showing us the size comparison. [
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Here too, eye is larger in close up, much smaller in the more accurate profile view (side view). [
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So don't base your opinion off of distorted avatars but rather base it off of every avatar ever & use that knowledge to logically base your decision, that logic should point towards kishi implying the size difference but he doesn't accurately portray those kinds of close ups.
Except the category substance of his liquid is Fluid. Fluids can be any substance bar Water. Kabuto already distinguish his fluids apart from water like the Hozuki clan.
Well then kabuto is liquid human, he doesnt change composition before he liquefies, he just liquefies. We can eaither assume 1 of two things, that he liquefies into water, or he liquefies into a human puddle, the ability to change his composition to be fire resistant would be another ability entirely.
(Sigh read my comment of Kidgamer. Bunta is in the same scale range as 100% Kurama.)
Kishi's size comparison between bijuu was off back then. Look at shukaku
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& look at the other bijuu
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, its apparent that shukaku is much larger than normal (& yes I know they're kids but they would be smaller than midgets compared to han). Furthermore gama is only
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while he's barely large enough to cover half of kurama (his arms are free hence why gama had to hold them). Gama at most is the size of kurama's back & the comparison between gama also proves this (gama was
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Frankly speaking, kishi's perspective was off in the past.
Agree to disagree then. Not having the same volume of water doesn't mean much as he just needs to block the fire thats directly to him. What makes up the volume of water is that its powered by Senjutsu. His Suiton will not overpower his Katon, but it should be enough to use it as a shield/defensively. Plus there is always Doton: Mole option.
Well then kabuto is liquid human, he doesnt change composition before he liquefies, he just liquefies. We can eaither assume 1 of two things, that he liquefies into water, or he liquefies into a human puddle, the ability to change his composition to be fire resistant would be another ability entirely.
My previous mention something about "fluids" and I was talking about "Suika no Jutsu". DO NOT CALL Kabuto's fluids "Suika no Jutsu". Lets read the context again [
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Body fuild could also mean anything and not the exact "human body" definition". An example would be Kidomaru: [
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Viewing that scan Kabuto's fluid tech shows that it is a very thick substance. Most thick substance, lets take Coolant or Oil as an example, all have something in common. And that is heating capacity it can handle.
IKishi's size comparison between bijuu was off back then. Look at shukaku
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while he's barely large enough to cover half of kurama (his arms are free hence why gama had to hold them). Gama at most is the size of kurama's back & the comparison between gama also proves this (gama was
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than before he fought shukaku based on the
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).Frankly speaking, kishi's perspective was off in the past.
Kishimoto scale has always been inconsistent though out the manga. I can even show you the two-tail vs Kakuzu then when Naruto faced it. And also 3rd tail vs Deidara then when Naruto face it. But at the end of the day, Kishimoto's purpose was to just show the size difference between a human and a summon difference. Kurama has NEVER shown to oversize all the other Buijuus, EVER. Kisi always portrait him to be in the same scale as ALL large creatures summons in the manga. That here is a fact.
Agree to disagree then. Not having the same volume of water doesn't mean much as he just needs to block the fire thats directly to him. What makes up the volume of water is that its powered by Senjutsu. His Suiton will not overpower his Katon, but it should be enough to use it as a shield/defensively. Plus there is always Doton: Mole option.
But no the shield won't be enough, the fire due to its size will evaporate the water until its nothing but vapor. When fire comes into contact with water it only gets extinguished when its completely deprived of oxygen, otherwise it works like air where it surrounds any area around it, so water doesnt change the path of a fire, it simply suffocates it (which kabuto's water isnt doing).
& Lets just assume that kabuto blocks his front, the fire will completely engulf him from the sides & back.
Obito can hide like a mole as well.
Body fuild could also mean anything and not the exact "human body" definition". An example would be Kidomaru: [
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Viewing that scan Kabuto's fluid tech shows that it is a very thick substance. Most thick substance, lets take Coolant or Oil as an example, all have something in common. And that is heating capacity it can handle.
Honey is a thick substance, petroleum is thick, saliva is thick, yet they all can be instantly evaporated/engulfed in flames. The thickness of a substance means nothing. Its what the substance is comprised of, kidomaru uses his chakra which forms into a metal substance, kabuto uses his chakra to form into a liquid substance. They are different materials, there is nothing which states that kabuto's liquid is heat resistant or transforms into something that's heat resistant because as I said that's a completely different ability.
Kabuto liquefies his body, he doesnt transform into a specific liquid so assuming he can tank fire when its obvious that his body isnt heat resistant is false.
Kishimoto scale has always been inconsistent though out the manga. I can even show you the two-tail vs Kakuzu then when Naruto faced it. And also 3rd tail vs Deidara then when Naruto face it. But at the end of the day, Kishimoto's purpose was to just show the size difference between a human and a summon difference. Kurama has NEVER shown to oversize all the other Buijuus, EVER. Kisi always portrait him to be in the same scale as ALL large creatures summons in the manga. That here is a fact.
No & Im getting tired of explaining this...Kurama is larger than the other bijuu based on every scan that isnt inconsistent. It doesnt matter if there are inconsistencies I can show you plenty of inconsistencies in the manga. Doesnt change the facts & the facts are that yang kurama was extremely small when compared to full kurama, BM is much smaller than kishis most recent depiction of full kurama & you cant say otherwise based fewer inconsistent scans.
By the way, no you are wrong about matabi. Its shown
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perfectly that matabi's nail is about as long as 50% kurama's when he
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minato. So based on what we've seen between them, matabi/50% are roughly the same size.
As for isobu show me the comparison because I just looked & all I could find were skewed perspectives.
Now stop, Ive given you enough scans which overwhelm yours plus they're recent & not inconsistent, so if we're basing this off of evidence then its apparent that I'm right.
But no the shield won't be enough, the fire due to its size will evaporate the water until its nothing but vapor. When fire comes into contact with water it only gets extinguished when its completely deprived of oxygen, otherwise it works like air where it surrounds any area around it, so water doesnt change the path of a fire, it simply suffocates it (which kabuto's water isnt doing).
Honey is a thick substance, petroleum is thick, saliva is thick, yet they all can be instantly evaporated/engulfed in flames. The thickness of a substance means nothing. Its what the substance is comprised of, kidomaru uses his chakra which forms into a metal substance, kabuto uses his chakra to form into a liquid substance. They are different materials, there is nothing which states that kabuto's liquid is heat resistant or transforms into something that's heat resistant because as I said that's a completely different ability.
Kabuto liquefies his body, he doesnt transform into a specific liquid so assuming he can tank fire when its obvious that his body isnt heat resistant is false.
-Why did you ignore my examples to benefit your examples? You said thickness of substance means nothing but I already show examples of fluid substance that are able to deal with heating capacities? If your nitpicking which thickness are NOT heating capacity then its simple to know that Kabuto body fluids aren't honey, saliva, nor petroleum. Kabuto created his own body fluid entity. From its Fluid [
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No & Im getting tired of explaining this...Kurama is larger than the other bijuu based on every scan that isnt inconsistent. It doesnt matter if there are inconsistencies I can show you plenty of inconsistencies in the manga. Doesnt change the facts & the facts are that yang kurama was extremely small when compared to full kurama, BM is much smaller than kishis most recent depiction of full kurama & you cant say otherwise based fewer inconsistent scans.
By the way, no you are wrong about matabi. Its shown
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perfectly that matabi's nail is about as long as 50% kurama's when he
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minato. So based on what we've seen between them, matabi/50% are roughly the same size.
As for isobu show me the comparison because I just looked & all I could find were skewed perspectives.
Now stop, Ive given you enough scans which overwhelm yours plus they're recent & not inconsistent, so if we're basing this off of evidence then its apparent that I'm right.
Huh? You did not once prove Kurama is larger then the other Buijuus, you are using only one scan to determine that he is via Madara vs Harashima is bigger then 50% by face. Scaling the width of his face means nothing, as Gyuki can do something about his form size[
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(Remeber he is on his standing up here) is the same height as
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compare to trees looks very little. Chakra Shroud 50% BM is the same height as all Buijuus.
I am not wrong about Matabi. Look at your scan again compare to this one [
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Look at 3rd tail
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So once again 50 chakra shrod is not the same size as 50 kurama outside realm. You cannot use facial to determine that 100 Kurama is much larger then every other Buijuu where it has not once shown that he was.
