Orochimaru: Strongest Sannin?

[Joker]

Weeks? Talk about over exaggerating. After summoning Gamahiro, Gamabunta, and Gamaken, Jiraiya gets on one of the toads as the toad hops in the opposite direction as Orochimaru. The other toads would hold off Orochimaru and his summons until Jiraiya reaches SM. Then anything Orochimaru has is countered by Geomon, Swamp of the Underworld or Fukasaku's tongue. Orochimaru cannot absorb Jiraiya's Sennin Mode. LMFAO!

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Juugo said "He RELEASED the Sennin Transformation"

 

[Penguin]

Isn't that a bit of exaggeration too ? We have never seen anyone but Nagato summon more than a summon at a time.

Naruto? If you can summon Bunta, you can summon all the other toads. Jiraiya has the chakra for it as well.

@bold, that never happened. It was just some unknown Oro snakes, not Manda. Oro has Manda 2 now (he knows about it because he got Kabuto's memories so he can summon it)

False. It is Kabuto's personal summon. Orochimaru is not Kabuto.

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Juugo said "He RELEASED the Sennin Transformation"

He released the Sennin Mode that he knew everything about. He studied and tried to get DSM. He didn't for TSM, and doesn't know jack about it.

 

[Joker]

You said "strongest". Fighting prowess in what? war? battle? if so Tsunade can pawn Orochimaru with the unification of the shinobi alliance, which is very well in her power and under her control as Hokage. The shinobi of the village are your power as the Hokage. (If you are trying to make the Edos themselves part of Orochimaru's power in a 1 vs 1).

How am I getting off topic when the thread is about the "Strongest sannin". And on top of that their portrayal is that of equals. Every time Orochimaru has fought he has had prep time. Can't say the same for Tsunade.

We don't know how that technique works for Orochimaru himself. So far all we know is that thing was made from Sasuke's own body...

Yes this is hardly a debate, because I simply posted my opinion on a thread asking about my opinion, and then you come calling people names because you disagreed.




Frog sage Ma summoned 5 people as i recall.

Lmfao, you're argument became invalid at bold.

 

[Joker]

Naruto? If you can summon Bunta, you can summon all the other toads. Jiraiya has the chakra for it as well.



False. It is Kabuto's personal summon. Orochimaru is not Kabuto.



He released the Sennin Mode that he knew everything about. He studied and tried to get DSM. He didn't for TSM, and doesn't know jack about it.

He still has the capability to release a Sennin transformation and absorb chakra. You people act like Orochimaru's going to sit there and watch Jiraiya achieve SM.

 

[Xlad]

I am very confused as to what KH is trying to say.

 

[Europa]

KingHashirama finds a way to ruin all good things; Like an Oro wank thread

 

[KingHashirama]

Lmfao, you're argument became invalid at bold.

:vincent:

My argument still holds, because we have not seen the transformation from Orochimaru, it isn't saying he can't use it, it is simply saying we don't know how Orochimaru himself transforms into that or summons that.

If you are saying it is the same mechanics as when we saw the transformation from Sasuke, then you would need to provide proof.

 

[raziel777]

You said "strongest". Fighting prowess in what? war? battle? if so Tsunade can pawn Orochimaru with the unification of the shinobi alliance, which is very well in her power and under her control as Hokage. The shinobi of the village are your power as the Hokage. (If you are trying to make the Edos themselves part of Orochimaru's power in a 1 vs 1).

How am I getting off topic when the thread is about the "Strongest sannin". And on top of that their portrayal is that of equals. Every time Orochimaru has fought he has had prep time. Can't say the same for Tsunade.

We don't know how that technique works for Orochimaru himself. So far all we know is that thing was made from Sasuke's own body...

Yes this is hardly a debate, because I simply posted my opinion on a thread asking about my opinion, and then you come calling people names because you disagreed.




Frog sage Ma summoned 5 people as i recall.

Nope. They weren' summoned as there was no contractor. They merely went to the physical world. That's not the same as being summoned. When you are summoned, you disapear after a big hit, while here they stayed in the real world after Nagato hit them. As I said before, no one has been shown to summon more then on at once

 

[KingHashirama]

Nope. They weren' summoned as there was no contractor. They merely went to the physical world. That's not the same as being summoned. When you are summoned, you disapear after a big hit, while here they stayed in the real world after Nagato hit them. As I said before, no one has been shown to summon more then on at once

reverse-summoned = summon..... try to understand mate. Naruto has made a contract with the Frogs. And the frog mountain is in the real physical world....

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[Multiply]

@bold, that never happened. It was just some unknown Oro snakes, not Manda. Oro has Manda 2 now (he knows about it because he got Kabuto's memories so he can summon it)

Wrong:

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Jiraiya suggests he can make a much larger and deeper one, had he not been drugged:

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[raziel777]

Naruto? If you can summon Bunta, you can summon all the other toads. Jiraiya has the chakra for it as well.



False. It is Kabuto's personal summon. Orochimaru is not Kabuto.



He released the Sennin Mode that he knew everything about. He studied and tried to get DSM. He didn't for TSM, and doesn't know jack about it.

He got all the info from Kabuto too. And there is no such thing as a perqonal summon. A summon is a summon, any contractor can summon it if they have the knowledge and the ability. Oro knows about Manda 2, he can summon it. He has a snake contract, Manda 2 is a snake (which is in the snake cave) so what's to oppose Oro summoning it ?

 

[raziel777]

Wrong:

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Wrong what ? you proved my point. That's not Manda.

That's Manda

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[raziel777]

He absorbed his own chakra (which was majority of the reason of Kabuto's DSM gains).. so it only logical it deactivates...

I don't really get what you are saying. Deactivates what ?

 

[Penguin]

He got all the info from Kabuto too. And there is no such thing as a perqonal summon. A summon is a summon, any contractor can summon it if they have the knowledge and the ability. Oro knows about Manda 2, he can summon it. He has a snake contract, Manda 2 is a snake (which is in the snake cave) so what's to oppose Oro summoning it ?

Yes there is, when Kabuto literally made the summon to where he can only summon it. I swear to god some people are straight up stupid. Otherwise, Sasuke would have summoned Manda II since he has the snake contract.

He still has the capability to release a Sennin transformation and absorb chakra. You people act like Orochimaru's going to sit there and watch Jiraiya achieve SM.

For DSM, not TSM. He knows the workings of DSM which is different than TSM.

I act like Jiraiya will go in a toad and hop a half a mile away and achieve SM while other toads are fending off Orochimaru.

 

[KingHashirama]

I don't really get what you are saying. Deactivates what ?

my fault! got confused. =D

 

[Joker]

Yes there is, when Kabuto literally made the summon to where he can only summon it. I swear to god some people are straight up stupid. Otherwise, Sasuke would have summoned Manda II since he has the snake contract.



For DSM, not TSM. He knows the workings of DSM which is different than TSM.

I act like Jiraiya will go in a toad and hop a half a mile away and achieve SM while other toads are fending off Orochimaru.

Manda blitzed to boss summons and a Sannin, in a couple panels, I think he could catch up to a singal toad, while Orochimaru summons a whole bunch of other ones.

 

[Joker]

I like how everyone's saying Edo-Tensei requires heavy prep time, when Orochimaru did it in a couple panels.

 

[raziel777]

Yes there is, when Kabuto literally made the summon to where he can only summon it. I swear to god some people are straight up stupid. Otherwise, Sasuke would have summoned Manda II since he has the snake contract.



For DSM, not TSM. He knows the workings of DSM which is different than TSM.

I act like Jiraiya will go in a toad and hop a half a mile away and achieve SM while other toads are fending off Orochimaru.

I don't get the part "literally made the summon to where he can only summon it"

What's that supposed to mean ? Kabuto merely created a snake from Manda's DNA and Sasuke doesn't know about Manda 2. How could he ? He never even saw the thing

 

[Penguin]

Manda blitzed to boss summons and a Sannin, in a couple panels, I think he could catch up to a singal toad, while Orochimaru summons a whole bunch of other ones.

Swamp of the Underworld ends Manda, and the two boss toads hold off or even damage Orochimaru. Gamaken and Gamahiro most likely solo Manda as well. Swamp of the Underworld slows down most snakes if not all of them. SM enhanced Swamp sinks anything Orochimaru has to offer.

I don't get the part "literally made the summon to where he can only summon it"

What's that supposed to mean ? Kabuto merely created a snake from Manda's DNA and Sasuke doesn't know about Manda 2. How could he ? He never even saw the thing

Kabuto genetically made the snake. Only he can summon it. He created it. Only he can summon it.

I like how everyone's saying Edo-Tensei requires heavy prep time, when Orochimaru did it in a couple panels.

Did anyone say that at all?

 

[KingHashirama]

This has become a thread judging individual's own powers into a which can summon better.. nice.