Orochimaru: Strongest Sannin?

[KingHashirama]

Which is the only thing she knows how to do. Which Orochimaru is impervious to.
The victor is clear, Orochimaru will always be the strongest Sannin, now more than ever Lol
Well, SM Jiraiya gives him a run for his money, at least.

she can create poisons.... knows more about the human body than Orochimaru.... But hey those don't count right?

Edos are not counted as the individuals own power. Only Edo tensei (the ability to summon edos is). They will be equals in the end, however if you believe Orochimaru can heal a whole village and an army, continue to believe so.

Power simply doesn't apply to fighting in Naruto-verse.

 

[HiddenSound]

she can create poisons.... knows more about the human body than Orochimaru.... But hey those don't count right?

Edos are not counted as the individuals own power. Only Edo tensei (the ability to summon edos is). They will be equals in the end, however if you believe Orochimaru can heal a whole village and an army, continue to believe so.

Power simply doesn't apply to fighting in Naruto-verse.

Lol grasping at straws are we? Trying to change the subject? I'm talking about fighting prowess, you're getting off topic.

I'm not even counting Edo Tensei in this fight. With it, Orochimaru undeniably slaughters her.

That power spiel is all well and good, but that's not saving Tsunade from Yamata-no-Orochi.

But I don't want to continue. This is hardly a debate in the first place.

 

[xcoyote]

Orochimaru>=Jiraya>Tsunade

Orochimaru shits on Tsunade,Jman gives him a run for his money but eventually loses aswell imo.

 

[Penguin]

SM Jiraiya > Orochimaru without Edo.
SM Jiraiya >=< Orochimaru with part one Edo Tensei.

Current Edos solos Jiraiya.

 

[Smd]

orochimaru became the strongest the moment he learned edo tensei.

His skills are better than the other two combined

 

[Draphsin]

I'm still giving this to SM jiraiya.

Yes in base jiraiya mostly loses, but with SM prep jiraiya is the strongest sannin.

 

[startup97]

Even without arms Orochimaru is still dangerous. Even my man, Hiruzen by pure admittance stated that he may be on a different level!

 

[Multiply]

Pfft, Hidden you don't want it... SM Jiraiya takes Orochimaru high difficulty.

 

[Lightbringer]

Pfft, Hidden you don't want it... SM Jiraiya takes Orochimaru high difficulty.

how? Nothing in Jiraiya's arsenal can kill Orochimaru

Jiraiya nearly died against 4 tailed Naruto, when Orochimaru was toying with it while crippled

 

[Xlad]

I say he's a rough equal to Jiraiya.

 

[Amaterasuice]

While the Sanin are all on the same tier, (Mid kage level). Current Orochimaru without edo tensei is purely stronger than the two. He's smarter than both, have zetsu dna, his arms back, and who knows what else.

He beats Jiraiya extreme high diff (from what we know) and Tsunade mid diff. When it comes to surviving, Oro is better than Tsunade. Orochimaru literally gets cut in half and just reattaches, as seen versus naruto.

Wait until Oro gets dsm, and we'll see Oro as one of the strongest in the series.

 

[Multiply]

how? Nothing in Jiraiya's arsenal can kill Orochimaru

Jiraiya nearly died against 4 tailed Naruto, when Orochimaru was toying with it while crippled

By crippled you mean he just can't use his hands. Regardless of that fact, simple punches(or scratches in Naruto's case) won't hurt him.

Speed blitz with a Rasengan like he did on the paths of pain? The rinnegan link didn't even notice him, and the only reason he didn't take out a path was because it so happened to be preta path. Sm speed coupled with Ma's dust storm and we have ourselves a fight. Not to mention I don't see Orochimaru landing hits on SM Jiraiya that much either. SM sensing with Ma and Pa sensing as well and keeping Orochimaru at bay...


His arsenal is comprised of rasengan and extremely powerful doton and katon attacks. Not to mention his katon is extremely powered up by Ma and Pa.

Base Jiraiya outclasses Orochimaru in summoning as well. Swamp of the underworld has already held Manda down before(assuming we're saying Orochimaru has Manda). Then throw Gamabunta in the mix to slice him? Seems like we're having roasted snake tonight U_U.

Saying Jiraiya has nothing to kill Orochimaru is just sad U_U.

 

[Penguin]

While the Sanin are all on the same tier, (Mid kage level). Current Orochimaru without edo tensei is purely stronger than the two. He's smarter than both, have zetsu dna, his arms back, and who knows what else.

He beats Jiraiya extreme high diff (from what we know) and Tsunade mid diff. When it comes to surviving, Oro is better than Tsunade. Orochimaru literally gets cut in half and just reattaches, as seen versus naruto.

Wait until Oro gets dsm, and we'll see Oro as one of the strongest in the series.

How is Orochimaru smarter than Jiraiya when Jiraiya has Fukasaku and Shima? Tactically speaking.

how? Nothing in Jiraiya's arsenal can kill Orochimaru

Jiraiya nearly died against 4 tailed Naruto, when Orochimaru was toying with it while crippled

Sage Art: Geomon, Frog Song, Fukasaku's tongue.

Jiraiya nearly died in base trying to restrain Naruto, not trying to fight or kill. Point is moot.

 

[Nattana]

Orochimaru > Jiraya > Tsunade.

I can't believe people still debate this. Even if Jiraya somehow manages to enter his SM after a week of preparations (which is isn't, since Orochimaru would've killed him already), a mere touch from Oro can release his SM transformation.

With ET it's a pure stomp.

 

[Penguin]

Orochimaru > Jiraya > Tsunade.

I can't believe people still debate this. Even if Jiraya somehow manages to enter his SM after a week of preparations (which is isn't, since Orochimaru would've killed him already), a mere touch from Oro can release his SM transformation.

With ET it's a pure stomp.

Weeks? Talk about over exaggerating. After summoning Gamahiro, Gamabunta, and Gamaken, Jiraiya gets on one of the toads as the toad hops in the opposite direction as Orochimaru. The other toads would hold off Orochimaru and his summons until Jiraiya reaches SM. Then anything Orochimaru has is countered by Geomon, Swamp of the Underworld or Fukasaku's tongue. Orochimaru cannot absorb Jiraiya's Sennin Mode. LMFAO!

 

[Amaterasuice]

How is Orochimaru smarter than Jiraiya when Jiraiya has Fukasaku and Shima? Tactically speaking.

Well, tactically speaking, Orochimaru knows/most of their weaknesses while they don't know all the random powers Oro has gotten over the years. That's one point for him.

Also, due to the fact Oro is debatably the smartest villain/character, he has knowledge on stuff they shouldn't even know about. So it makes sense.

 

[Multiply]

Orochimaru > Jiraya > Tsunade.

I can't believe people still debate this. Even if Jiraya somehow manages to enter his SM after a week of preparations (which is isn't, since Orochimaru would've killed him already), a mere touch from Oro can release his SM transformation.

With ET it's a pure stomp.

Shima and Fukusaku can enter Jiraiya into sage mode while he holds off Orochimaru... Their combined effort shortens the time period down to about 2 and a half minutes... I'm not even going to address the fail second part you wrote. Your move.

 

[raziel777]

By crippled you mean he just can't use his hands. Regardless of that fact, simple punches(or scratches in Naruto's case) won't hurt him.

Speed blitz with a Rasengan like he did on the paths of pain? The rinnegan link didn't even notice him, and the only reason he didn't take out a path was because it so happened to be preta path. Sm speed coupled with Ma's dust storm and we have ourselves a fight. Not to mention I don't see Orochimaru landing hits on SM Jiraiya that much either. SM sensing with Ma and Pa sensing as well and keeping Orochimaru at bay...


His arsenal is comprised of rasengan and extremely powerful doton and katon attacks. Not to mention his katon is extremely powered up by Ma and Pa.

Base Jiraiya outclasses Orochimaru in summoning as well. Swamp of the underworld has already held Manda down before(assuming we're saying Orochimaru has Manda). Then throw Gamabunta in the mix to slice him? Seems like we're having roasted snake tonight U_U.

Saying Jiraiya has nothing to kill Orochimaru is just sad U_U.

@bold, that never happened. It was just some unknown Oro snakes, not Manda. Oro has Manda 2 now (he knows about it because he got Kabuto's memories so he can summon it)

 

[raziel777]

Weeks? Talk about over exaggerating. After summoning Gamahiro, Gamabunta, and Gamaken, Jiraiya gets on one of the toads as the toad hops in the opposite direction as Orochimaru. The other toads would hold off Orochimaru and his summons until Jiraiya reaches SM. Then anything Orochimaru has is countered by Geomon, Swamp of the Underworld or Fukasaku's tongue. Orochimaru cannot absorb Jiraiya's Sennin Mode. LMFAO!

Isn't that a bit of exaggeration too ? We have never seen anyone but Nagato summon more than a summon at a time.

 

[KingHashirama]

Lol grasping at straws are we? Trying to change the subject? I'm talking about fighting prowess, you're getting off topic.

I'm not even counting Edo Tensei in this fight. With it, Orochimaru undeniably slaughters her.

That power spiel is all well and good, but that's not saving Tsunade from Yamata-no-Orochi.

But I don't want to continue. This is hardly a debate in the first place.

You said "strongest". Fighting prowess in what? war? battle? if so Tsunade can pawn Orochimaru with the unification of the shinobi alliance, which is very well in her power and under her control as Hokage. The shinobi of the village are your power as the Hokage. (If you are trying to make the Edos themselves part of Orochimaru's power in a 1 vs 1).

How am I getting off topic when the thread is about the "Strongest sannin". And on top of that their portrayal is that of equals. Every time Orochimaru has fought he has had prep time. Can't say the same for Tsunade.

We don't know how that technique works for Orochimaru himself. So far all we know is that thing was made from Sasuke's own body...

Yes this is hardly a debate, because I simply posted my opinion on a thread asking about my opinion, and then you come calling people names because you disagreed.

Isn't that a bit of exaggeration too ? We have never seen anyone but Nagato summon more than a summon at a time.

Frog sage Ma summoned 5 people as i recall.