Rin or Sakura ?

[Erin]

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Yet you attempted to assert your belief as fact, by "mathematically" quantifying how how character development should be evaluated, and claiming my opinion was false. Hypocrite much? Lol

Bringing up Orochimaru and Sasuke serves to further prove how similar Rin and Sakura are. Sasuke and Ori are intended to be analogous in the story and Rin and Sakura have WAY more in common than they do right down to the type of ninja they are.

Once again digressing from your original statement. As I said, just because they are parallels means little besides the role they fit, as proved by Orochimaru and Sasuke.

You seem to think I hate Hinata and this is reallllly chapping your ass. I don't hate Hinata. I think she's one-dimensional. She has had no expansion on herself as a person besides how much she likes "Naruto's big hand." (Actual quote.) I'd like to see Hinata focus more on becoming the matriarch of the Hyugas and less on how much she likes a boy. Similarly, I'd love to see Kishi expand on Sakura's powerups. Sadly, we won't ever get any of this because Kishi is a big fat sexist.

You most likely do dislike hinata, seeing as there has been a great amount of tension between the Sakura and Hinata fan base, but that is beside the point. It is clear that you're statements are exaggerated and biased, telling only a fraction of her character just adds on the clarity of your bias.

Uhm. Are we still talking about Rin and Sakura? Because you seem reeeeeeally focused on Hinata.

I’m sorry, I didn’t realize you were trying to abandon you’re farcical previous point.

So basically what you're saying is Rin could have totally been a Tsundere but we would never know because Obito is only recalling the moments she talked to him about becoming Hokage?

She isn't a Tsundere. It was purposefully made clear when we where aloud to see her when she became upset with Obito. It is also supported greatly by her actions throughout other flashbacks. She showed no signs of such behavior patterns, and therefor believing she is tsundere is idiotic at best.

Point being, it's impossible to judge what her personality was like from the few flashbacks we've seen. Again, assuming you've never seen Sakura before, I could show you the few scenes of her healing Naruto, feeding him, holding him when he's hurt, hugging him, blushing at him, and you would totally think she's this wilting flower when she's actually nothing of the sort.

Rin was included in a 5 chapter mini series, and had flashbacks in at least 7 other chapters. She has been shown in various situations, and her actions have never suggested that she was a tsundere in any way. If we look at the parallel same scenes that Rin has been shown in, each scene clearly shows the gap in maturity and goodness that separates these characters.

From Obito and Rin's first meeting, to the bench scene, to how Rin handles her crush and her friend when they are in disputes and Obito insults Kakashi, even to how Rin handled her relationship with Kakashi, it is completely clear. Even in Rin's final hours she put the village over herself, while Sakura was willing to abandon the village, and Naruto for one person.

You cannot, with any certainty, describe Rin's personality or attitudes with any sort of accuracy from what we've seen. What we can extrapolate is both Rin and Sakura:

You clearly can in the variety of scenarios she has been shown in. It's really sad that you cannot accept this.

They look alike, both medical nin, both taking care of the "hero" who wants to be Hokage, both end up with a crush on the "bad boy" team member as kids, both are the object of affection of the hero, both were attacked by the "bad boy" team member (You'll see this similarity come into play, mark my words), both swear to support the hero as he becomes Hokage...

You continue describing how they are parallels, yet time and time again I have told you that I believe that I have never believed that was false.

For some reason it really pains you that you like a character that has so much in common with Sakura. I'm not sure why.

I don't have a problem with Sakura. The only thing that I find distasteful is how upset Sakura fans seem to be because Rin is favored over they're favorite character. It seems you and many other then tried to compensate by claiming they are identical, when they clearly are not. Yet even though I and many others have explained why they like her over Sakura, and how they are clearly different, you still seem to deny what is an obvious fact.

 

[coolcomfort]

Rin>Sakura
in everything

 

[Klad]

Rin>Sakura
in everything

In power ?? Nah , Sakura > Rin in power .

 

[Byakusharinnegan]

Sakura. You people can say she has more 'depth', but we've seen way more of Sakura than Rin. Fact of the matter is she's had a few chapters while Sakura has had hundreds. Just guessing, but Rin was most probably the healer of Team Minato. Sakura was not only the healer, but she could brawl as well.

Rin is prettier in my opinion, but Sakura is probably smarter.

 

[Erin]

Just guessing, but Rin was most probably the healer of Team Minato. Sakura was not only the healer, but she could brawl as well.

Rin is prettier in my opinion, but Sakura is probably smarter.

Sakura wasn't a healer at Rin's age.
Rin's intelligence>=Sakura's. In the data book they're both 4's.

In power ?? Nah , Sakura > Rin in power .

Not if they're the same age.

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[Byakusharinnegan]

Sakura wasn't a healer at Rin's age.
Rin's intelligence>=Sakura's.

Wasn't Rin a little older than 12 or 13? Sakura began training with Tsunade around the time Naruto left, right?

And how is Rin smarter than Sakura?

 

[Erin]

Wasn't Rin a little older than 12 or 13? Sakura began training with Tsunade around the time Naruto left, right?

And how is Rin smarter than Sakura?

Rin died at 13.
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The data book has them both with 4's but Rin graduated the academy and passed the chunnin exams much earlier l. ( meaning she could pass the tests at an earlier age). She also showed some understanding of military tactics and is more mature than her, hence I added a > to the =.

 

[Byakusharinnegan]

Rin died at 13.
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The data book has them both with 4's but Rin graduated the academy and passed the chunnin exams much earlier l. ( meaning she could pass the tests at an earlier age). She also showed some understanding of military tactics and is more mature than her, hence I added a > to the =.

At the time of her graduation, Konoha was in the middle of a war, and they needed all of the fighters they could get; hence why even Obito, who was noted to be just above average, was promoted to Chuunin earlier. Why wasn't Sasuke, the Uchiha prodigy, promoted earlier then?

As for the military tactics, as stated they were in a war. It was probably taught as a last second thing in the academy.

 

[Erin]

At the time of her graduation, Konoha was in the middle of a war, and they needed all of the fighters they could get; hence why even Obito, who was noted to be just above average, was promoted to Chuunin earlier. Why wasn't Sasuke, the Uchiha prodigy, promoted earlier then?

As for the military tactics, as stated they were in a war. It was probably taught as a last second thing in the academy.

She still took the same, if not more advanced tests at an earlier age, and passed :|
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Yes, maybe.

 

[Byakusharinnegan]

She still took the same, if not more advanced tests at an earlier age, and passed :|
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Yes, maybe.

They were probably more lenient with the passes. Then again, we didn't see Rin's graduation, so we can't exactly determine how her performance was. we can assume, but as I earlier stated, it can't be proven because we don't know exactly.

 

[Erin]

They were probably more lenient with the passes. Then again, we didn't see Rin's graduation, so we can't exactly determine how her performance was. we can assume, but as I earlier stated, it can't be proven because we don't know exactly.

Yah, but because Rin still has the earlier stats, (And is also the second youngest healer shown in the manga) I give her the benefit of the doubt. The databook dictates they are approximate equals, but because of those things i'm swayed to believe rin was a little better. Hence me making it >=

 

[Byakusharinnegan]

Yah, but because Rin still has the earlier stats, (And is also the second youngest healer shown in the manga) I give her the benefit of the doubt. The databook dictates they are approximate equals, but because of those things i'm swayed to believe rin was a little better. Hence me making it >=

Understandable. I suppose the only way we'll be able to find out for sure is in later chapters.

 

[Disquiet]

Just leaving these here for interpretation.

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^The last page in the middle left panel may require special attention. I'm not going to say it directly since I don't want to be embroiled into this Sakura vs Rin debate (call it chickening out if you so desire), but just think objectively how Sakura would have behaved in that situation. I actually like Sakura, which is why I rather not make this too much into a versus thing. But come on guys, these are fictional characters (not in any way employing the old canard that you can't love or empathize with fictional characters), any personality traits "off panel" doesn't exist. That part is up to our imagination, which isn't canon. Yeah I'm a big fan of the "what ifs" as well, but it just isn't practical in this situation. It is of my opinion, that Rin has showed enough of her personality to justify a fanbase (even if they only seen one panel of her, it's not really anyone's right to judge anyway).

This is only getting so much attention because of the underlying suggestive content. In a thread where it asks "state your fave top 10", this probably wouldn't have become an argument. I can't speak for everyone else, but stating that I favor Rin doesn't mean I dislike Sakura; which seems to be some of the accusations flying around.

What also needs to be understood is that one personality trait is enough cause for someone to be disliked, which may easily put them below another that hasn't even had as much time to display their characteristics. So it's not always about what one character hasn't shown, but what the opposing character have shown. So we get a "Uhg, no way in hell I'm choosing Y. I'll go with X any day."

I understand that Sakura gets a lot of hate, heck some probably even do it because the majority does it. As for me, I never liked when Sakura hit Naruto, I started off disliking her but gradually, she grew on me. However, as far as personality is concerned, I like Rin more. To me it's clear she isn't identical to Sakura. It's a simple matter opinion, that's all it is.

I understand that Kishi probably isn't done showing Rin's personality, and he may display more later. If she's identical to Sakura, then I'll concede to the "I told you so's". Kishi is sometimes after all, unpredictable.

 

[Murasame]

Rin in my opinion ^_^

 

[-Akuma-]

Rin. She's a likable character.

 

[Mistraal]

Yet you attempted to assert your belief as fact, by "mathematically" quantifying how how character development should be evaluated, and claiming my opinion was false. Hypocrite much? Lol



Once again digressing from your original statement. As I said, just because they are parallels means little besides the role they fit, as proved by Orochimaru and Sasuke.


You most likely do dislike hinata, seeing as there has been a great amount of tension between the Sakura and Hinata fan base, but that is beside the point. It is clear that you're statements are exaggerated and biased, telling only a fraction of her character just adds on the clarity of your bias.


I’m sorry, I didn’t realize you were trying to abandon you’re farcical previous point.


She isn't a Tsundere. It was purposefully made clear when we where aloud to see her when she became upset with Obito. It is also supported greatly by her actions throughout other flashbacks. She showed no signs of such behavior patterns, and therefor believing she is tsundere is idiotic at best.



Rin was included in a 5 chapter mini series, and had flashbacks in at least 7 other chapters. She has been shown in various situations, and her actions have never suggested that she was a tsundere in any way. If we look at the parallel same scenes that Rin has been shown in, each scene clearly shows the gap in maturity and goodness that separates these characters.

From Obito and Rin's first meeting, to the bench scene, to how Rin handles her crush and her friend when they are in disputes and Obito insults Kakashi, even to how Rin handled her relationship with Kakashi, it is completely clear. Even in Rin's final hours she put the village over herself, while Sakura was willing to abandon the village, and Naruto for one person.


You clearly can in the variety of scenarios she has been shown in. It's really sad that you cannot accept this.


You continue describing how they are parallels, yet time and time again I have told you that I believe that I have never believed that was false.


I don't have a problem with Sakura. The only thing that I find distasteful is how upset Sakura fans seem to be because Rin is favored over they're favorite character. It seems you and many other then tried to compensate by claiming they are identical, when they clearly are not. Yet even though I and many others have explained why they like her over Sakura, and how they are clearly different, you still seem to deny what is an obvious fact.

I'm done with you. I can't even read this garbage. You are so focused on Hinata, even though this has nothing to do with her.

 

[Erin]

I'm done with you. I can't even read this garbage. You are so focused on Hinata, even though this has nothing to do with her.

You're kidding right? Only 1 section in my entire response referred to Hinata. On top of that you're the one who brought her up in the first place.

Anyway, it's clear that you're just using this as a device to escape the discussion, as you have no further rebuttal. Lol

 

[Europa]

This is not a who's stronger thread so , Femme , please don't flame me .

Rin or Sakura ?

Who is nicer ? Who has a better design ? Who do you like more ? =D

Nicer: I suppose Rin has shown to be nicer. While Sakura is nice.. She has her bad moments. Rin doesn't have enough screen time to show such moments.

Better Design: I sort of like Sakura's design better.

Like Better: I like Sakura more. Rin's cool, I suppose. But she's... Not really... Too... She has too little of screen time.

 

[Raekwon26]

Look at Erin fighting the good fight.

Anyway, I prefer Sakura. I know next to nothing about Rin and I can't like a character I know barely anything about.

 

[Xēnovia.]

Damn, Erin going in. lol! Klad look what you done xD