The Ōtsutsuki Tribe Becoming The Uzumaki Clan

[itachiuchiha21]

Why is it necessary for the sage to be an uzumaki ancestor Zzz
Naruto is Sage reincarnation because of the tailed beasts approval not because he shouted out his name Zzz

And the tailed beasts would have said something about sage and naruto when they heard naruto's full name Zzz

 

[Booker]

Why is it necessary for the sage to be an uzumaki ancestor Zzz
Naruto is Sage reincarnation because of the tailed beasts approval not because he shouted out his name Zzz

And the tailed beasts would have said something about sage and naruto when they heard naruto's full name Zzz

This is an excellent point, you'd think that if The Sage was Uzumaki Kurama of all people would have had a reaction to the Uzumakis being his vessel.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

This is an excellent point, you'd think that if The Sage was Uzumaki Kurama of all people would have had a reaction to the Uzumakis being his vessel.

And you are assuming he knows that fact considering he and the other Bijuus were created during RS's twilight years:

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Or did you entirely miss the point of this thread that Hagoromo purposely hid his Ohzuzuki-Uzumaki familial relationship to safeguard his Fuuinjutsu?

 

[D R E X]

Why is it necessary for the sage to be an uzumaki ancestor Zzz
Naruto is Sage reincarnation because of the tailed beasts approval not because he shouted out his name Zzz

And the tailed beasts would have said something about sage and naruto when they heard naruto's full name Zzz

The tailed beasts are not aware of Naruto's origins .

They only know him as an Uzumaki but not an Ōtsutsuki .

Even Kurama was surprised when Naruto used the Sages Sealing technique .

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[Booker]

And you are assuming he knows that fact considering he and the other Bijuus were created during RS's twilight years:

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Or did you entirely miss the point of this thread that Hagoromo purposely hid his Ohzuzuki-Uzumaki familial relationship to safeguard his Fuuinjutsu?

Alright, I was wrong there.

There are still multiple issues with the theory.

 

[Booker]

The theory will be wrong regardless, and on the day the Manga ends I won't make fun of you all or rub it in your faces. It will just be what it will be.

 

[KingHashirama]

God ... this not unlike 'Is Naruto fourth's son or not' debate ......

But BTW Guys can anyone of u explain how the certain members Uzumaki Clan has the powers of the both sons of the sage:
Elder son had Powerful Chakra and Spiritual energy
Younger son had Life force and Physical energy

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But Uzuamki individuals like Naruto, Kushina and Mito has both Powerful Chakra and Life force .....

How is that?

Naruto's uzumaki chakra is only good in "amounts" compared compared to Karin/Kushina.

And also, "powerful chakra".. so do the Senju... but I don't believe you understand what Uchiha's powerful chakras are.. they are quite different from the Uzumakis.

And if what you say is true.. then Madara must be a retard.

 

[itachiuchiha21]

The tailed beasts are not aware of Naruto's origins .

They only know him as an Uzumaki but not an Ōtsutsuki .

Even Kurama was surprised when Naruto used the Sages Sealing technique .

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the tailed beats are knowledgeable and intelligent, thekyuubi knew all about the sage's weapons and its properties
it wouldn't take him a lot to recognize anything sage related, cause chances are the sage told them everything, if he even told them that a person like Naruto would come, then he would also have told them about his clan

 

[Anorien16]

Naruto's uzumaki chakra is only good in "amounts" compared compared to Karin/Kushina.

Hmmm? I miss the point ....

And also, "powerful chakra".. so do the Senju... but I don't believe you understand what Uchiha's powerful chakras are.. they are quite different from the Uzumakis.

Please provide me the statement where it says the Senju has 'powerful' (qualitative word) chakra? ..... It is only said they had a lot of chakra (Quantitative this time) as far as I know ....

And if what you say is true.. then Madara must be a retard.

How so?

The theory will be wrong regardless, and on the day the Manga ends I won't make fun of you all or rub it in your faces. It will just be what it will be.

U know what the Point of word 'theory' .....?

 

[Raekwon26]

Hmmm? I miss the point ....



Please provide me the statement where it says the Senju has 'powerful' (qualitative word) chakra? ..... It is only said they had a lot of chakra (Quantitative this time) as far as I know ....



How so?

The Uzumaki DON'T have powerful chakra, they have large chakra pools.

 

[Xlad]

Well, I can't say I disagree with you on those points.

 

[KingHashirama]

Hmmm? I miss the point ....



Please provide me the statement where it says the Senju has 'powerful' (qualitative word) chakra? ..... It is only said they had a lot of chakra (Quantitative this time) as far as I know ....



How so?

"ut Uzuamki individuals like Naruto, Kushina and Mito has both Powerful Chakra and Life force ....."

Naruto only has "high amounts". And do you want me to show you the senju's powerful chakras?

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However, this is not the same type of "powerful chakras" as the Uchiha. Uzumaki's powerful chakra are credited to that they can heal and are good for jinchurikis... Uchiha's "powerful chakra" is more credited towards a jutsu. Meaning less chakra used for a strong jutsu.


The origins of the clans and etc are written on the tablet. Everything Madara has said is from the tablet. The tablet itself is written by Rikudou. So either he is a retard for believing the tablet.. or your whole point is wrong.

 

[Anorien16]

The Uzumaki DON'T have powerful chakra, they have large chakra pools.

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Really? Mito, Kushina and even more so Naruto had a particularly strong chakra ...... that is perfectly suited to host the Kyubi ..... How is that so? How is that some particular indivisuals of Uzumaki Clan (Seems to be familial) have strong chakra capable of withstanding a Biju influence ...

 

[KingHashirama]

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Really? Mito, Kushina and even more so Naruto had a particularly strong chakra ...... that is perfectly suited to host the Kyubi ..... How is that so? How is that some particular indivisuals of Uzumaki Clan (Seems to be familial) have strong chakra capable of withstanding a Biju influence ...

notice how she referred to only herself though.

 

[Raekwon26]

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Really? Mito, Kushina and even more so Naruto had a particularly strong chakra ...... that is perfectly suited to host the Kyubi ..... How is that so? How is that some particular indivisuals of Uzumaki Clan (Seems to be familial) have strong chakra capable of withstanding a Biju influence ...

Do you just read that? Seriously?
Strong chakra that allowed her to be the host of the Kyuubi? Because of their strong life force.

It has never been stated that their chakra is as powerful as the Uchiha Clan. They have always been complemented on their abilty to be perfect hosts for Bijuus based of their strong life force, PASSED DOWN to them form the Senju Clan. Their chakra is perfectly suited for the Bijuus.

Also, how do you know she wasn't speaking in terms of a strong chakra in comparison to others of the Uzumaki Clan?

They have ZERO ties to the Uchiha Clan.

EDIT: Kushina even said that her strong chakra was well suited to suppressing the Kyuubi. It was for that specific purpose.

 

[KingHashirama]

Do you just read that? Seriously?
Strong chakra that allowed her to be the host of the Kyuubi? Because of their strong life force.

It has never been stated that their chakra is as powerful as the Uchiha Clan. They have always been complemented on their abilty to be perfect hosts for Bijuus based of their strong life force, PASSED DOWN to them form the Senju Clan. Their chakra is perfectly suited for the Bijuus.

Also, how do you know she wasn't speaking in terms of a strong chakra in comparison to others of the Uzumaki Clan?

They have ZERO ties to the Uchiha Clan.

Though right on most part.. slightly wrong on 1 thing. Uzumaki are from the senju lineage.. not Senju CLAN. Senju lineage refers to the Senju blood. You have to notice that clans formed over time.

 

[Raekwon26]

Though right on most part.. slightly wrong on 1 thing. Uzumaki are from the senju lineage.. not Senju CLAN. Senju lineage refers to the Senju blood. You have to notice that clans formed over time.

You know what I meant. =D

 

[Anorien16]

notice how she referred to only herself though.

Seemingly Mito was more or less compatible with Kurama too ... and no doubt about Naruto who has been compatible since a newborn .... that itself is the strage part .... only select few individuals have the quality not all ....

Do you just read that? Seriously?
Strong chakra that allowed her to be the host of the Kyuubi? Because of their strong life force.

Yeah I will just disagree with the Host herself and the manga on why few like her and her son has powerful chakra ....

It has never been stated that their chakra is as powerful as the Uchiha Clan.

Neither is Sharingan actually the Rinnegan ... so whats the point?

They have always been complemented on their abilty to be perfect hosts for Bijuus based of their strong life force,

Really? Why did Kushina categorically mentioned her particularly strong chakra not life force while explaining why she was a better host than Fodder #876561 .... Also I take Uzumaki's word over yours ...

PASSED DOWN to them form the Senju Clan. Their chakra is perfectly suited for the Bijuus.

Citation ****ing needed..... We only know Kushina (observing how Naruto turned out ... her branch of Uzumaki) was particularly suited for Kurama ....

Also citation pls.

Also, how do you know she wasn't speaking in terms of a strong chakra in comparison to others of the Uzumaki Clan?

Except she is not alone in having a particularly strong chakra .... Her son too ... seemingly mito too .... so thus a portion of Uzumaki blood line ....

They have ZERO ties to the Uchiha Clan.

Okey Kishi ...

EDIT: Kushina even said that her strong chakra was well suited to suppressing the Kyuubi. It was for that specific purpose.

You know a normal hammer can be used not only to slam nails ... it can be used to crack ur skull open or break rocks etc which are best done by other type of hammers .... but all hammers are ultimately hammers.

Though right on most part.. slightly wrong on 1 thing. Uzumaki are from the senju lineage.. not Senju CLAN. Senju lineage refers to the Senju blood. You have to notice that clans formed over time.

A lil bit of reminder made by someone who did more research ..

There is a great misconception in Zetsu's statement in chapter 606 saying that Nagato is a descendant of the Senjus because he is of Senju Lineage:

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It is not Zetsu's statement that is erroneous but the interpretation of others, if we take the translation of lineage based on the context of Zetsu's statement in conjunction with Kushina's statement in a previous chapter, the most accurate meaning of lineage, based on context, is the anthropological definition of the word: Kinship/Consanguinity:

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Kushina said the Uzumakis and Senjus were distant relatives, the true intended meaning of the word "lineage" based on the context of Zetsu's statement was : Consanguine of being related by blood, not Nagato descending from the Senjus : Nagato is a blood relative (lineage) of the Senju.

If the Senjus and Uzumakis descended from the same ancestor (Younger Son) then they will be close/immediate relatives, not distant relatives like Kushina said, which would contradict her statement and Manga canon, so it's logical to assume that the present day Uzumakis are "cousins" to both Senju and Uchiha since they did not descend from Rikudou himself but from Rikudou's relatives.

Also the original Japanese text of Zetsu in 606 is this:

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The original Japanese word that Zetsu used was "血縁" or Ketsuen which translates as "Blood Relative" NOT 子孫 or Shison which means descendant.

Anyone who can read Japanese will tell you that Zetsu's statement only meant blood relations but not pertaining to descent:


Originally Posted by Lady Mokusei View Post
Sorry Sasuke2, but you're wrong. Try to read original Japanese manga Naruto especially if your theory is based on one word. Here:

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Here we have chapter you mentioned (Chapter 606):

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Now carefully look at Zetsu's words. Ser Derp Obito is right about this chapter. Zetsu used word 血縁 written in hiragana like this けつえん. And this word has only two meanings:
1) blood relative or relationship
2) consanguinity

Funny but actually Senju and Uchiha are actually distant relatives ....

 

[Xāvî1]

You already created that thread Derp. No, they didn't become the Uzumaki clan. Why? Because the Uzumaki are from the Senju lineage why having nothing to do with the Uchiha. The Manga reached its climax and is near the end. Rikudo Sennin was portrayed to be the originator of Uchiha and Senju. Why didn't Kishimoto reveal that the Rikudo Sennin or the Otsutsuki were Uzumaki or their ancestors? Because it simply isn't true. Because Kishimoto wouldn't hide such a significant information.

Uzumaki clan are rather sage and senju related this way

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[cptenn94]

I think the gin kin thing might be a bit of a stretch(the headdress part, not the descendant part)(not saying it is impossible or improbable, but a bit of a stretch). BUt you present a good theory on how the uzumakis could be former Ōtsutsuki's. Nice find about the real life stuff, and its manga connections/counterparts.