[Discussion] Mihawk>Shanks?

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When I said that Shanks is Superior Haki user based on what we have seen , u r rep to me is that it is too early to conclude that & we have to see more feats to say that & now my responce to u r post is same ...
How can it be the same? I am saying that there's a chance that Mihawk can equal him with Haki. It's not possible for Shanks to match Mihawk in skill and strength with a sword ; hence why he is the one with the title and not Shanks.

We don't knw WB is a DF user untill MF war
So Shanks (who never wanted a DF) now has the Kami Kami no Mi making him a God, right?

We don't knw Kizaru is skilled at Swordsmanship untill his fight with Dark king'
At that point in the story we had only seen Kizaru very briefly and all we knew was he could kick at light speed and was the admiral with the Light Light fruit. Shanks on the other hand: we have seen him use Haoshoku Haki, and only every carrying a sword and mostly drinking. From this we gather that based upon the fact we have seen him use a sword twice that he is skilled in Swordplay and it is his main form of combat.

Kuzan used a sword too. Not very skillful and to be honest Kizaru just used his speed in the sword fight in order to hold Rayleigh back , he was just swinging his sword. No technique from either admiral. Luffy has used a sword too... Does this make him a swordsman? No. Because he doesn't commonly practice and train in that combat style and use of the weapon.

Zoro a fodder compared to Shanks is famous as a SM
Vista is famous as a SM...
And Vista seemed to me to be about as strong as Marco. Pretty much admiral tier as he was the only fighter throughout the whole war who could hold their own against Mihawk. What significance does Zoro have?

But Shanks who rivaled Mihawk is not famous for as a SM & no one labeled him as a SM...
And Sanji (a strong martial artist) has not been labeled as one. For someone to be something they do not have to be labeled. He has been officially classed as a swordsman. It isn't just me saying that. He uses a sword , always has that sword and also has two swords on his Jolly Roger. Do you need more evidence? Do you need somebody to say "oh by the way he's a swordsman"? Did you think that if Caeser said Magellan was weak that Magellan automatically became fodder? It doesn't work like that. Oda has shown Shanks is a swordsman and has even drawn a Jolly Roger with two swords on it.

For me Sword for Shanks is same as bisento for WB ...nothing but a weapon to fight and they both are skilled at using it...
Whitebeard only used his Bisento to extend his reach so he could use the punching technique on the end of the blade via slashes or Jabs. His main power is the Gura Gura no Mi, he fights with the Gura Gura no Mi most of the time. He uses two combat styles but we have consistently seen Shanks only use one. Swordsmanship.

Shanks rivaled Mihawk about 10-12 Y ago ..probably Mihawk is not the strongest at that time & he would have achieved that title during this 12y time spam which means that he never fought Shanks to prove that he is a better one...We don't knw how much they improved after that ....who knws...May be Shanks would have Improved other kind fighting skills during that time...
Shanks lost an arm. Mihawk knew he would win and therefore did not want to fight as the battles would be unfair. It's like a swimming race between two olympic rivals ; however one lost a limb in an accident (and therefore loses most of their balance and power in their strokes etc.). So going by that logic would a man with two arms beat a man who once had two arms (with similar strength) who had lost one.

That's y Iam saying that it is too early to conclude that....
It is not too early to conclude anything.

Granted. But difference in haki level.
How can you tell the difference in Haki is vast when they rival in strength , since Haki is imperative to be strong in the NW their Haki will most likely be equal.

Really o_O good to know
Indeed.

That's my point. Titles don't matter. He won some he lose some.
But overall he won more. Otherwise he wouldn't have the title in the first place.

Wllcm bro.

Luffy is main character in OP, ofc we are going to see more moves than any other OP character. If Akainu was the main character we'd have seen many many different moves other than the punch with magma
I was simply following the logic you stated and demonstrated how it won't always work since it came to such a bizarre conclusion.

Sakazuki is still a very important character.

Plus Mihawk and Shanks are non DF users, so.
And therefore Haki would be even more important as we do not have to factor in Devil fruit weaknesses and strengths over others. So Mihawk must be equal in Haki (at least).

A man who was ready to take on anyone in marineford after having clashed with yonko Kaido (The creature's name that makes DD shit himself... knowing that DD and Mihawk are close in strength)
Days beforehand is when this encounter occurred. Most people at MF were tired and injured by this point.

Why would he win the last battle ? What is it that Mihawk got that will make him defeat Shanks.
The fact Mihawk is stronger by the most microscopic margins.

No.
Why are comparing Roger to Dragon ?
Power scaling.
 
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Well you can make all the assumptions in the world,
And you argue frequently with mods about the rules on the base and your sig.

and try to dissect every post you disagree with in this thread with a funny gif and a smartmouth reply.
It works. And on top of that it's when I find the posts laughable e.g. yours accusing me of having God Complex.

But the only fact is that you don't use any evidence to prove that Mihawk is stronger than Shanks,
There's this amazing thing called powerscaling.

The only thing we see from you is: Shanks used a sword on 2 occasions to block an attack -> Makes him a swordsman -> Mihawk holds title WSSM -> Meaning Mihawk -> Shanks.
It's his primary weapon and fighting style. So yes. What evidence do you have to prove Shanks is not a swordsman? I've been waiting since the very first page for somebody to provide evidence of this.

That's such a close minded view, that 12 pages of discussion can't even make you see that. I already said on a earlier point that not every character who has a sword also is a swordsman,
If they are trained to use a sword then yes they're a swordsman.

BB also has three guns and he used them to shoot Whitebeard, is BB a sniper now ?
No because he doesn't train for accuracy with shooting, as far as we know the only thing he would ever train is his devil fruits and Haki.

BB killed the World's strongest man, does that make him the WSM now ?
Actually it was a contribution of:
All BB Pirates, Sakazuki, Borsalino, Kuzan, Squard and several hundred bullet wounds.

No, of course not. You also keep brushing off Shanks superior haki like it has no further potential to play a more important part in the story. I very much doubt that the most unique form of haki is only a way to get rid of fodder.
And you keep brushing off any argument you cannot counter. You know my statements and estimations about Mihawks haki are more plausible than your thinking that Shanks can just knock Mihawk out, and that somehow splitting the sky will hurt Mihawk.

There are no real feats for both of them but Shanks is ahead of Mihawk in terms of hype. But if you don't see that you're in denial.
In terms of hype based upon influence Shanks>Mihawk
In terms of hype based upon strength Mihawk>Shanks
You sir are in a constant state of denial. I would even go as far as to say you live in a constant state of denial.

If Mihawk had yonkou strength, why would he become a government dog and not just retire in his castle. He is a very calm man, I doubt the navy would pay him a visit, he isn't like WB or Luffy or other pirates who wreck shit up in the world.
There are benefits to being a Shichibukai aswell as drawbacks. Like you said: since he is a very calm man he mostly tries to avoid conflict.
 

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And you argue frequently with mods about the rules on the base and your sig.


It works. And on top of that it's when I find the posts laughable e.g. yours accusing me of having God Complex.


There's this amazing thing called powerscaling.


It's his primary weapon and fighting style. So yes. What evidence do you have to prove Shanks is not a swordsman? I've been waiting since the very first page for somebody to provide evidence of this.


If they are trained to use a sword then yes they're a swordsman.


No because he doesn't train for accuracy with shooting, as far as we know the only thing he would ever train is his devil fruits and Haki.


Actually it was a contribution of:
All BB Pirates, Sakazuki, Borsalino, Kuzan, Squard and several hundred bullet wounds.


And you keep brushing off any argument you cannot counter. You know my statements and estimations about Mihawks haki are more plausible than your thinking that Shanks can just knock Mihawk out, and that somehow splitting the sky will hurt Mihawk.


In terms of hype based upon influence Shanks>Mihawk
In terms of hype based upon strength Mihawk>Shanks
You sir are in a constant state of denial. I would even go as far as to say you live in a constant state of denial.


There are benefits to being a Shichibukai aswell as drawbacks. Like you said: since he is a very calm man he mostly tries to avoid conflict.
Ah so to sum this up, you are right because of:

- Me arguing (not even serious) about a signature
- you denying your god complex
- Powerscaling (based on nothing)
- Shanks obviously trained with his sword, because you said so
- Blackbeard obviously not training with his guns, because you said so.
- proving one of my points that beating the WSM doesn't make you the next WSM
- your statements and ESTIMATIONS about mihawk having haki, ok I see

And then you tell me I live in a state of denial, that's pretty impressive even for someone with a god complex like yourself, that you really thought you made a point in that post but actually didn't counter a single one with facts.

It's all speculation and power scaling, but before I take anything from you I rely on Oda, I think his hints are clear enough who is the stronger one of the two.
 
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He caught him off guard as you can clearly see. It's no different if Law did something similar to Luffy. If Whitebaerd could stomp Akainu, he would have done so a long time ago.
so now it DID happen in the manga but now Akainu wasn't paying attention during a war with the World's strongest man.

I guess that happens to the best of us.

Besides it's not a matter of could because WB clearly stomped Akainu here.
 

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Ah so to sum this up, you are right because of:

- Me arguing (not even serious) about a signature
No it just makes you look pathetic. It's like arguing with the police of the website.
- you denying your god complex
You arguing with Skorm also provides evidence that you are the one with a God Complex.
- Powerscaling (based on nothing)
Based on looking and analyzing fights and feats etc. and comparing characters. You lack any reading comprehension if you cannot powerscale.
- Shanks obviously trained with his sword, because you said so
Since he rivals Mihawk in swordsmanship and strength. And the fact we've only seen him fight with a sword shows a consistency and a pattern. Shanks uses a sword.
- Blackbeard obviously not training with his guns, because you said so.
I don't see him shooting birds hundreds of metres away. He's a close combat fighter anyways with a few long range techniques. He uses guns partly as Odas portrayal of the perfect stereotype Pirate.
- proving one of my points that beating the WSM doesn't make you the next WSM
If one does so individually then they do become the WSM. However it was not an individual effort. Therefore your argument and point is totally invalid since you cannot comprehend the fact Whitebeard was already tucked up in his death bed when BB turned up thanks to the efforts of an army.
- your statements and ESTIMATIONS about mihawk having haki, ok I see
Estimations based upon powerscaling and logical statements and remarks Rayleigh has stated regarding Haki and how it is imperative to be skillful at using it to survive. And based upon the fact that neither swordsman have devil fruits and therefore no weaknesses or advantages to consider ; Haki is very important. And if Mihawk is crap at Haki even Sentoumaru would beat him; now that's pathetic. So therefore it's clear Mihawk has Haki which is on par with (or close to being on par with) Shanks' Haki.

And then you tell me I live in a state of denial, that's pretty impressive even for someone with a god complex like yourself, that you really thought you made a point in that post but actually didn't counter a single one with facts.
I'm not the one arguing with those of a higher authority. That's something somebody with God Complex would do (such as yourself , if we go onto your profile we can clearly see in the VM's Skorm and you having it out. With him in the end feeling sorry for you.) I did counter with facts. You only support Shanks because you ride his d*ck, no other reason. People who do that in debates are always in denial.

It's all speculation and power scaling, but before I take anything from you I rely on Oda, I think his hints are clear enough who is the stronger one of the two.
WSS>Not WSS. There's a hint Oda had created a long time ago.
That didn't happen in the manga. Are you sure you aren't reading a fanfic
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Bluffing doesn't really get you far.
For the first time ever Love Cook is correct. I should give him a gold star.

Although why is Sakazuki relevant to this discussion?
 

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so now it DID happen in the manga but now Akainu wasn't paying attention during a war with the World's strongest man.

I guess that happens to the best of us.

Besides it's not a matter of could because WB clearly stomped Akainu here.
If you are gonna butt in, atleast do it good. Bloodlusted Whitebeard with his island busting attacks getting in a cheap shot on Akainu does not mean he can stomp him when he is paying attention. Following this logic, DD 'stomped' Jozu despite it taking Aokiji a long time to defeat Jozu.

Nope, Mihawk tried but he failed and was even laughed at by WB himself.
The wank in this is too strong.
 

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If you are gonna butt in, atleast do it good. Bloodlusted Whitebeard with his island busting attacks getting in a cheap shot on Akainu does not mean he can stomp him when he is paying attention. Following this logic, DD 'stomped' Jozu despite it taking Aokiji a long time to defeat Jozu.



The wank in this is too strong.
Well WB can take out all the admirals in a 1v1 aspect. WB could tank out most of Akainu's hits too, Akainu just got lucky when he was falling down that he managed to hold onto a ledge and escape. Let's stay on topic, it's about Mihawk vs Shanks not WB vs Akainu. If you want to continue this then go make a separate thread.
 
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