Hashirama vs Edo Madara + EMS Sasuke

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Edo Madara has completely surpassed Hashirama after obtaining hashirama's DNA.

Top kek, stopped reading there.

You're arguing with the manga.

 

[DemonicAvenger]

Edo Madara has completely surpassed Hashirama after obtaining hashirama's DNA. Not sure if you've kept up with the manga lately, but Madara has wood release on par with Hashirama's, meteorite summons, Rinnegan and Perfect Susano. Madara doesn't even need to be an Edo to defeat current Hashirama. The buddah with the thousand hands may prove to be difficult, but in the end it'll fall when Chibaku Tensei/multiple meteorites/universal pull is used once or twice. Not to mention that now with his dna, his stamina has surpassed to what it was last time. ​

The only Rinnegan Jutsu that Madara has in his repertoire is Fūjutsu Kyūin and the derived Jutsu of Gedō. Konan's statement simply confirms that anyone that has access to the Rinnegan can learn Jutsu that the the former grants. This doesn't mean that Madara can use the Techniques without learning them, which as far as we know, he hasn't.

Saying that he has is completely un-adulterated speculation.​

Eh, you have a fair point there. I forgot that Madara's Katon didn't spread throught the Kajukai Kōrin. Oh well, I guess that is Kishi logic again.

Well Kishi did have Sasuke's Chidori Nagashi conduct through stone ._. Dat Logic.​

 

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No, it doesn't and repeating this point over and over and over again isn't helping your argument at all as NOTHING I said contradicts the manga. Did I say he doesn't need to clap his hands to gather Nature Energy? No. The hands being clasped or clapped doesn't mean they have started gathering Nature Energy at that exact moment, how hard is that to understand? Other manga events show that the conversation isn't an accurate measure of how fast he can enter Sage Mode because he has entered it quicker before, that fact alone makes your point moot. It doesn't matter how fast the others enter it, he entered it fast the first time, from the point he closed his eyes is when he started to gather Nature Energy, his later initiation as an Edo makes this fact loud and clear.

You saying he started to charge the moment his hands were clapped goes against his display as an Edo and it goes against Hashirama's intent at the time.

So you are stating that the hands clapping or clasping doesn't mean they are gathering energy and I am the one who doesn't have any proof? Seriously, you have, like, no argument here. Literally none whatsoever. Hands are clapped or clasped for SM initiation and that is illustrated through ALL characters who possess SM - and clasping hands means gathering energy from Nature to harmonize it with Self. I keep mentioning Kabuto's Snakes getting larger from Natural Energy over and over again, and somehow, he isn't relevant? I will not debate on this point, at all. This isn't even disputable.

What are you even talking about? Please show me in any of these scans where Hashirama's hands were clasped together like you believe? It wasn't shown on any of the panels so saying he's still charging or that he's started charging is a baseless assumption. Saying lets go doesn't mean he started charging. Where are you getting this "We never see him clap his hands together so he's still charging" nonsense from? I hope you aren't telling me he was charging from here until page 10........when the manga clearly shows otherwise.

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The above is the one and ONLY page he was charging in, and you can tell its between 1-3 seconds, unless you believe Hashirama decided to wait for 2 or 3 seconds before dropping the Gates on the Juubi, which he did immediately after the Hokage formed the barrier.

I hope to god, you are joking. I sincerely hope that. So if the manga didn't show the entire process of, for example the Shinigami summon and the ensuing death and absorption - as it did with Hizuren - it means it simply ends it there and then for Minato? No. If the manga doesn't show the charge for Bijuu-Dama, then it means it was fired right off the bat? No. The way you are completely disregarding the first SM initiation to put weight on your point is nonsense. We never see Hashirama even clasp his hands and you have the time set right and that too down to a mere one second? On what grounds? If that isn't a far-fetched assumption then you must be kidding yourself.

Never said that they didn't now did I? Manga clearly disagrees with the bold.

You mean your self-assumed one second timing?

Kurama recharges the chakra and hands it to Naruto, making it the chakra he uses while in BM, thus making it the chakra he melds his Nature Energy with. It is completely irrelevant where it came from as he is one using the chakra at the moment. The scan you posted has absolutely nothing to do with the speed of gathering Nature Energy, those are the basic requirements to enter Sage Mode.

Why in the world would it be Kurama syncing the Nature Energy when its Naruto gathering it? Why would he be syncing it when Naruto is the one who can control it, not Kurama? Why would he be syncing it when Naruto is the one who utilizes the chakra Kurama simply hands him?

The harmonization of the modes is already there, as Kurama states that he's the one who synced the modes. I am not the one who made the manga. You should ask Kishimoto. That's one step literally skipped for Naruto's convenience. By and by, what the heck does it have to do with Hashirama? Seriously.

That is your assumption, Naruto has clearly shown to enter it faster than Kabuto can. Hashirama has been shown twice to enter it faster than both of them except BM Naruto, but since you are trying to gauge the conversation as the amount of time it takes for him to enter SM based on the fact he simply clapped his hands (Doesn't prove he was gathering it from that moment, especially when other events show that he wasn't) I brought the scan of him entering it as an Edo, which is not disputable. He wasn't shown gathering it on any other page, saying he was nothing but an assumption.

It translates to roughly between 1-3 seconds, suggesting its any higher is completely ridiculous.

So at first it was 1, now it's 3? Like I said earlier, we never even see when he clasped his hands together, nor does this one panel = one second logic seem even passably realistic. Your assumption, that is all. Naruto is shown to be slightly faster than Kabuto, but Hashirama is thrice as fast? Right, sure.

Come on now. You can't be serious with this. I posted a scan that shows you can't move to gather Nature Energy and you are still telling me that Jiraiya was gathering it despite moving the whole chapter?

-Try reading what he says after that. "I'm calling on the Ni Dai Sennin" so no, he wasn't gathering Nature Energy, he was summoning them.

He moved here because he simply wasn't gathering Nature Energy, how hard is that to understand?

Wrong, don't know where that interpretation even came from. Fukasaku said that you have to stay still to gather Nature Energy, ALL Sage Mode users have to follow this rule, it isn't just Naruto, that makes no sense. That scan shows Naruto failing to properly control it AFTER he's gathered thus he starts transforming into a toad. In no way does that mean the aforementioned rule doesn't apply to anyone else.

What the ... hell?

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- Jiraiya "I am going into Senin = Hermit mode". What's there to argue about? That 'Hold Still' obviously applies to training only, as we saw Kabuto move as well. Remember how easily Naruto turned into a frog? It means that focus is crucial at the start, which the frog stressed upon. Now don't start that Kabuto is different so on and so forth, when Kabuto goes through the same process and he even mentioned the same enhancements and the same Nature logic before Uchiha Brothers. In fact, that different argument would be completely unsupported by manga, so don't even try.

And what about the frogs? I have never seen anyone summon them outside SM, as using fusion or SM techniques with them is something that is common knowledge. So what about them? Don't really see how that is even relevant.

 

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So you are stating that the hands clapping or clasping doesn't mean they are gathering energy and I am the one who doesn't have any proof? Seriously, you have, like, no argument here. Literally none whatsoever. Hands are clapped or clasped for SM initiation and that is illustrated through ALL characters who possess SM - and clasping hands means gathering energy from Nature to harmonize it with Self. I keep mentioning Kabuto's Snakes getting larger from Natural Energy over and over again, and somehow, he isn't relevant? I will not debate on this point, at all. This isn't even disputable.

Can you even read? I said that it doesn't mean they haven't started immediately. Keyword is immediately. YOU assume he started as soon as his hands were clasped together despite his intent and his actions proving otherwise.

-Trying to talk Madara out of the fight.
-Closes his eyes when he is ready to focus.

Him closing his eyes should be a dead ass giveaway that he's started to gather Nature Energy. Not only does that show that he is truly focusing instead of having a conversation with Madara, most of the time when Naruto enters Sage Mode, he stays still and closes his eyes. You can't be serious with this ridiculous belief of him gathering Nature Energy the whole entire conversation.

Yet you are still going on about this nonsense of him gathering as soon as he clapped his hands, even when later events show that you are wrong about when exactly he started gathering, then you try and invalidate the later event by saying the prep wasn't shown? With zero evidence? Yeah, not sure if serious, and I'm the one with no argument..laughable.

Hashirama has already entered SM far faster than you believe he can so I fail to see what the hell you are actually trying to debate here.

Besides, manga has even shown that the clasping of the hands isn't an indicator you are entering SM all the time, as shown with Jiraiya.

I hope to god, you are joking. I sincerely hope that. So if the manga didn't show the entire process of, for example the Shinigami summon and the ensuing death and absorption - as it did with Hizuren - it means it simply ends it there and then for Minato? No. If the manga doesn't show the charge for Bijuu-Dama, then it means it was fired right off the bat? No. The way you are completely disregarding the first SM initiation to put weight on your point is nonsense. We never see Hashirama even clasp his hands and you have the time set right and that too down to a mere one second? On what grounds? If that isn't a far-fetched assumption then you must be kidding yourself.

Wow.....you can't be serious. Now since it proves you wrong you start talking about this nonsense on how they skipped it?

He didn't start so there is no way they skipped it, his hands weren't clasped in any of the scans you speak of, his hands were in a hand sign in the scan I just posted meaning that is when he started, its as simple as that. This "they skipped it" BS is completely unfounded. He said lets go, they set up the barrier and then he entered Sage Mode, that's how it went and saying that he was gathering Senjutsu Chakra (While setting up the barrier no less) makes absolutely zero sense.

You are assuming his hands were clasped before even though there is absolutely NOTHING backing that baseless assumption up. Every other scan shows that his hands were at his sides until it was time to set up the barrier, meaning that is when he made his hand sign and set up the barrier.

@bold: YOU are the one twisting what happened during his first SM initiation despite the manga clearly showing he entered it much quicker as an Edo. YOU are the one who assumes he was gathering Nature Energy even before that scan despite there being absolutely NO indication he was doing so before.

Lets not even bring up the fact that there is no skip in time between any of those pages to even warrant the fact that Hashirama's SM initiation was partly skipped.

You mean your self-assumed one second timing?

The time doesn't matter nor do I care nor is it an important factor in my argument.

The harmonization of the modes is already there, as Kurama states that he's the one who synced the modes. I am not the one who made the manga. You should ask Kishimoto. That's one step literally skipped for Naruto's convenience. By and by, what the heck does it have to do with Hashirama? Seriously.

Wow, what the hell are you talking about?

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Kurama said that his chakra was flowing out too much cause they were both angry, and then he stated "it managed to sync with your hermit power"

1. That in no way proves that this is what made gathering Nature Energy faster so I don't know why you are harping on this nonsense? Where does Kurama even mention anything about the gathering of Nature Energy? He is talking about the fact that his own chakra leaked out and managed to sync with Naruto, who was already in Sage Mode, hence it syncing with his hermit power.

2. Kurama never said that he himself is the one who synced it, he said his power leaked out and IT managed to sync with Naruto's hermit power, meaning that it synced on its own. Kurama didn't sync his chakra with Naruto's Hermit power nor did he sync Nature Energy with Naruto's existing chakra, which is the debate here.

Please tell me how the speed of gathering Nature Energy and Kurama's chakra syncing with Naruto's hermit power are even related? Go ahead, I'm very curious as to how you'll answer this....

So at first it was 1, now it's 3? Like I said earlier, we never even see when he clasped his hands together, nor does this one panel = one second logic seem even passably realistic. Your assumption, that is all. Naruto is shown to be slightly faster than Kabuto, but Hashirama is thrice as fast? Right, sure.

It wasn't clasped in any panel except the 10th page which I posted and there is no reason to believe he clasped it before when that is the moment they started to set up the barrier. There is no reason to believe he was gathering Nature Energy while also using Ninjutsu (Using the Barrier) at the same time.

What the ... hell?

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- Jiraiya "I am going into Senin = Hermit mode". What's there to argue about? That 'Hold Still' obviously applies to training only, as we saw Kabuto move as well. Remember how easily Naruto turned into a frog? It means that focus is crucial at the start, which the frog stressed upon. Now don't start that Kabuto is different so on and so forth, when Kabuto goes through the same process and he even mentioned the same enhancements and the same Nature logic before Uchiha Brothers. In fact, that different argument would be completely unsupported by manga, so don't even try.

Oh what in god's name am I reading? Are you even reading the manga? Seriously now?

-You blatantly ignored the part where he stated that he is calling on Ma and Pa, that is why his hands were clasped.

-What is this "Hold Still stuff only applies for training"? Are you even reading the manga? Clearly not so I'll post some pages here.

Naruto having to stay still to enter Sage Mode.

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Naruto has been still every single time he wants to enter Sage Mode yet you can do it on the go? You kidding me?

Once again Fukasaku states that you can't move while gathering Nature Energy.

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Don't even try to say Kabuto is special when the manga itself clearly states why he can absorb Nature Energy while moving?

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Jugo's DNA allows him to passively absorb Nature Energy, meaning he doesn't need to stay still, just how Jugo doesn't need to stay still to use Sage Transformation. This argument goes against manga? Hardly.


The whole freaking point he had to use

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strategy is because he can't stay still on the battlefield without getting killed.

The whole reason they wanted to fuse with him is so they can gather Nature Energy while he moves.

 

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Sasuke could possibly solo

ignore kidgamer i owned him in why edo madara is also above hashirama

 

[KidGamer65]

Sasuke could possibly solo

ignore kidgamer i owned him in why edo madara is also above hashirama

This is why I don't take Uchiha fanboys seriously.

lol? You said he'd throw his swords at the Buddha to cut it down and that he'd armor PS on Mokujin, its very clear that you have no real argument on the matter so you decided to make up nonsense as usual. Go wank elsewhere.

 

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@Kidgamer

What can't I read? At one end you say that they haven't started absorbing Natural Energy, but now it's not immediately? Can you even read your own replies or is it just desperate back-tracking? All you have thrown my way is self-interpretation and nothing else. Don't blow a gasket, it's looking pretty ridiculous.

- Jiraiya states that he's about to enter SM and gathers Nature- You refuse to believe it. Hilarious.
- Kabuto does the same, but somehow a funny scan concerning Jugo is thrown my way. Ingrates. I'll get to that part later.
- Hashirama does the same, and somehow, that isn't valid because everything previously established has to be negated. Laughable.

That isn't nonsense actually but a matter of common sense as for quick action, a lot of things are omitted. Do you see Hashirama clap his hands? I don't. Where does this one second crap even come from? Oh wait, you brewed it up. All those manga scans I posted, which are lucid enough, are somehow open for 1 second interpretation.

What about Jugo?

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- You mean the Ryuchidou cave he found through Jugo to train for perfect Sage Mode? He states repeatedly that he has the force of Nature to help himself, which means the Sage Mode -

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. What the ****, does it have anything to do with Jugo? Assumptions again?

You mean how Kurama allowed him to use both modes -

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- Try to read the whole thing. It saves everyone a whole lot of trouble and hence synced/Harmonized the channel in the process? Explain what? That the channel is already there? Considering that it was Kurama who didn't allow for the Harmonization of the modes in the first place -

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. Still doesn't explain how you managed to link Hashirama to this. Bringing BM Naruto into this is such an irrelevant and preposterous point.

I am going to skip the Edo Hashirama part as it's getting ridiculous. So Jiraiya stating that he's about to go into Hermit Mode RIGHT at the start just skips your hawk eyes every time and is obviously a non-factor? Since he fuses with the two toads from the get go of SM, how is this point even remotely relevant? I am having just a hard time digesting this. Really. SM Jiraiya stared his SM with fused toads. So in your humble opinion, he took ALL that time to summon Lol? Please tell me you are joking. I don't even ...

Those training images again - By God -

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- As soon as the struggling Kurama disappears, Naruto is in SM.

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This is why I don't take Uchiha fanboys seriously.

lol? You said he'd throw his swords at the Buddha to cut it down and that he'd armor PS on Mokujin, its very clear that you have no real argument on the matter so you decided to make up nonsense as usual. Go wank elsewhere.

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before the bijuu damas went off the susanoo swords alone had already slashed through the wood arms like butter add enton to the mix gg.

Also with 2000 hands gone plus the bijuu dama that hit ps it was still half left

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perfect susanoo clearly was caught in the explosion madara close combat alone would take shinsuusenju arms also madara susanoo was half left after all that

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if madara had infinite chakra he would have just rebuild susanoo this is Edo madara while sasuke can strike from afar with susanoo arrows almost the size of his ps

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not to mention enton magatamas and his own flying susanoo swords also sasuke ps can be held more durable then madara as obito liquid jiton wasit able to evaporate sasuke's susanoo to hit naruto

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also was able to keep up with juubito & Bm naruto

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also his susanoo sword cut right through the sword rikudou created the ninjaverse with

good night Kidgamer

 

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Oh, lol, we're now saying that Madara can keep PS due to infinite chakra?

Hashirama summons a few 1k Buddha Hands. You reckon Madara and Sasuke could handle that?

How is Amaterasu a viable argument? Could someone explain this to me? Because Shinsuusenju doesn't feel pain so it's not going to be stopped in it's tracks and it has no destructive capabilities to take down it's arms. Amaterasu isn't hot enough to melt it either so you'd just be left with Shinsuusenju attacking with it being on fire.

And as said before, Hashirama can send out Mokuton bunshin to go into SM.

 

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Shinsuusenju is very slow because of the amount of weight its carrying. This is proven by Fizz who was using legitimate argument why the shinsuusenju would lose to even the stick of Hiruzen.

Sasuke or Madara can slice the legs of the buddah and its finished, or they can keep attacking from long range. That over wanked jutsu is no where near invincible and its best feats was removing half of PS cloak not the full bodied of PS.

 

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Shinsuusenju is very slow because of the amount of weight its carrying. This is proven by Fizz who was using legitimate argument why the shinsuusenju would lose to even the stick of Hiruzen.

Sasuke or Madara can slice the legs of the buddah and its finished, or they can keep attacking from long range. That over wanked jutsu is no where near invincible and its best feats was removing half of PS cloak not the full bodied of PS.

i already buried all his arguments

 

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i already buried all his arguments

A lot of people on the base have as well. He just does not want to admit it. Give it up KG65

 

[KidGamer65]

@Kidgamer

What can't I read? At one end you say that they haven't started absorbing Natural Energy, but now it's not immediately? Can you even read your own replies or is it just desperate back-tracking? All you have thrown my way is self-interpretation and nothing else. Don't blow a gasket, it's looking pretty ridiculous.

If you could read you'd know that the two statements in the bold say the same thing.

"They didn't start taking Nature Energy immediately after clapping their hands"

"They didn't start at the exact moment of clapping their hands.

No. The hands being clasped or clapped doesn't mean they have started gathering Nature Energy at that exact moment, how hard is that to understand?

Them clapping their hands doesn't mean they've begun gathering Nature Energy the moment they've done so.

Those are my statements throughout the whole debate. Where in the hell did I say they weren't taking in Nature Energy and where did I ever change anything I stated on this matter? I'll be waiting for you to pull up something that doesn't exist. There is no back tracking here just you being unable to correctly read what I stated.

- Jiraiya states that he's about to enter SM and gathers Nature- You refuse to believe it. Hilarious.

-Fukasaku clearly stated that you need to be still.

-Jiraiya said he was calling on Ma and Pa, who he needs to enter Sage Mode in the first place. [

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Yet you are still spouting this nonsense about Jiraiya entering SM by gathering Nature Energy...before Ma and Pa were summoned? Come on now.

- Kabuto does the same, but somehow a funny scan concerning Jugo is thrown my way. Ingrates. I'll get to that part later.

Kabuto doesn't need to stay still to gather Nature Energy.

- Hashirama does the same, and somehow, that isn't valid because everything previously established has to be negated. Laughable.

Where did I say he doesn't do the same? I simply said its faster.

That isn't nonsense actually but a matter of common sense as for quick action, a lot of things are omitted. Do you see Hashirama clap his hands? I don't. Where does this one second crap even come from? Oh wait, you brewed it up. All those manga scans I posted, which are lucid enough, are somehow open for 1 second interpretation.

If there was an unknown time period that was omitted where Hashirama would have clasped his hands then yes, you would make sense, but since those actions take place right after one another throughout all those pages, you make no damn sense. There is no time period to be skipped so nothing could have been skipped. Simple as that.

What about Jugo?

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- You mean the Ryuchidou cave he found through Jugo to train for perfect Sage Mode? He states repeatedly that he has the force of Nature to help himself, which means the Sage Mode -

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. What the ****, does it have anything to do with Jugo? Assumptions again?

Nothing here changes the fact that Kabuto can gather Nature Energy w/o having to stay still so why you included it in this debate, I don't have the faintest idea.

-I said that you need to be still to gather Nature Energy.

-Kabuto and Jiraiya come up as examples to try and debunk this.

-I respond by saying he can gather it while mobile, which is a manga fact.

-Then you respond with something that has nothing to do with anything I stated.

Kabuto stated: "....people from the Jugo clan have special bodies, they can absorb the force of Nature"

We've seen how Jugo absorbs his Nature Energy, and he doesn't need to move.

Kabuto has integrated Jugo's cells into his body thus gaining the same ability.

Nature Energy is gathered by Kabuto on the run due to Jugo's gene, which allows him to enter Sage Mode, without having to stay still. This concept has been grasped by everyone on this forum, its not that hard to understand. This part of your post has zero relevance to anything I said, zero relevance.

You mean how Kurama allowed him to use both modes -

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- Try to read the whole thing. It saves everyone a whole lot of trouble and hence synced/Harmonized the channel in the process? Explain what? That the channel is already there? Considering that it was Kurama who didn't allow for the Harmonization of the modes in the first place -

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. Still doesn't explain how you managed to link Hashirama to this. Bringing BM Naruto into this is such an irrelevant and preposterous point.

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The only way Kurama can even stop him from using both modes at the same time is taking his power away from him or rejecting the toads. We've already seen that he can't stop Naruto from gathering Nature Energy nor can he stop it from syncing with his own chakra, as the chakra syncs by itself, as Kurama stated.

And like I said above, even if you were right this has absolutely nothing to do with the speed of gathering Nature Energy, none whatsoever.

Like I said, the larger the chakra the quicker Nature Energy can be gathered. Naruto was in BM, hence more chakra, so it sped up. Hashirama naturally has more chakra than the rest so of course its faster than the rest. Not that hard to understand and it makes a lot more sense than your explanation, which wasn't even related to the speed of gathering Nature Energy to begin with.

I am going to skip the Edo Hashirama part as it's getting ridiculous. So Jiraiya stating that he's about to go into Hermit Mode RIGHT at the start just skips your hawk eyes every time and is obviously a non-factor? Since he fuses with the two toads from the get go of SM, how is this point even remotely relevant? I am having just a hard time digesting this. Really. SM Jiraiya stared his SM with fused toads. So in your humble opinion, he took ALL that time to summon Lol? Please tell me you are joking. I don't even ...

Jiraiya needs to Ma and Pa to enter Sage Mode in the first place, Jiraiya stated he was going to summon them, hence letting him enter SM afterward. So yes, the summoning took that long, its really as simple as that. Manga fact. If you can't deal with it its not my problem. How in the hell is he going to enter Sage Mode in the first place without summoning them? Huh? Its clearly stated he needs them to enter it.

Not remotely relevant? Are you kidding me? Fukasaku clearly stated that Jiraiya fused with them to negate the risk of gathering Nature Energy to enter Sage Mode.

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Read. The. Manga.

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- As soon as the struggling Kurama disappears, Naruto is in SM.

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He was still in the first and second scans. Are you really trying to dispute this right now? If you are going to continue to dispute manga facts then I'm not even going to bother wasting my time here.

Are you not reading what the scan is saying? Are you serious with this nonsense cause I'm getting pretty sick and tired of you denying what the manga clearly says. These scans don't refer to his training if you bothered to read the scan. This is after training and references SM use on the battlefield, which isn't training.

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Fukasaku clearly states that you can't gather Nature Energy while moving, you need to be still. He clearly states that you become an easy target during battle if you try to gather Nature Energy on the go. Tell me more about how this scan refers to training to learn SM when it not only refers to battle, its AFTER Naruto has successfully entered Sage Mode. I am not seeing what the confusion here is. The manga has clearly stated something yet you are still attempting to contest it. You need to be still to gather Nature Energy unless you are in Jugo's clan or have his genes. Fact. Manga fact. There is no debate on that matter.

before the bijuu damas went off the susanoo swords alone had already slashed through the wood arms like butter add enton to the mix gg.

-They were propelled at high speeds by Bijuu Dama, not to mention they all exploded. If the blades alone did all the work then the Buddha would be left with the amount of hands shown in the first panel when its hitting Madara.

Also with 2000 hands gone plus the bijuu dama that hit ps it was still half left

Then it vanished the next page, means nothing.

perfect susanoo clearly was caught in the explosion madara close combat alone would take shinsuusenju arms also madara susanoo was half left after all that

I hope you aren't trying to say it took 11 Bijuu Dama plus Chojo Kebutsu to destroy Perfect Susanoo.

if madara had infinite chakra he would have just rebuild susanoo this is Edo madara while sasuke can strike from afar with susanoo arrows almost the size of his ps

Then Hashirama would smash it again, simple as that.

Susanoo arrows aren't going to do shit to Shinsuusenju and you are going to need some proof about their size, but of course I don't expect any since all you did is spout nonsense.

not to mention enton magatamas and his own flying susanoo swords also sasuke ps can be held more durable then madara as obito liquid jiton wasit able to evaporate sasuke's susanoo to hit naruto

Enton is completely useless here, already explained it, go read my other posts.

-Obito's liquid Jinton was simply blocked by the hand, and the hand was still vaporized, not to mention it was only a small amount. Sasuke's PS=Madara's PS at best. Its funny that you say its more durable than Madara's despite being one of the many Sasuke fans who were whining about how PS=PS when people were saying Sasuke's PS is weaker than Madara's.....smh.

also was able to keep up with juubito & Bm naruto

lol? He wasn't keeping up with Obito in speed, he was only tracking his movements (Only at the end) and countering accordingly. That won't help against Chojo Kebutsu.

You mentioned BM Naruto like he's even fast in his Kurama Avatar...lmfao.

also his susanoo sword cut right through the sword rikudou created the ninjaverse with

Ninjaverse existed before Rikudo was born, how in the hell is he going to create it with the sword? Use some common sense why don't you. Not to mention it was stated the the user's feelings power the sword. Obito was in doubt so he lost. Cutting through a sword of an unknown power doesn't mean anything here.

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Go to bed unorthodox. Maybe sleep will let you realize that everything you are spouting is BS.

Shinsuusenju pounds Sasuke. Not even a contest.

 

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-They were propelled at high speeds by Bijuu Dama,

Fanfiction.untill proven other wise

not to mention they all exploded. If the blades alone did all the work then the Buddha would be left with the amount of hands shown in the first panel when its hitting Madara Then it vanished the next page, means nothing..

you clearly didnt see the scan the buddah arms were clearly ripped apart even before the bijuu damas

I hope you aren't trying to say it took 11 Bijuu Dama plus Chojo Kebutsu to destroy Perfect Susanoo.

well ps was punched up and them caught in the explosion still was half left so im going with yes

Then Hashirama would smash it again, simple as that.

Susanoo arrows aren't going to do shit to Shinsuusenju and you are going to need some proof about their size, but of course I don't expect any since all you did is spout nonsense.

no where near close in smashing it again as it took all its arms to just take half ps off plus bijuu damas shinsuusenju alone is going down with just 1 perfect susanoo also i already showed the arrow compared to sasuke susanoo

Enton is completely useless here, already explained it, go read my other posts.

-Obito's liquid Jinton was simply blocked by the hand, and the hand was still vaporized, not to mention it was only a small amount. Sasuke's PS=Madara's PS at best. Its funny that you say its more durable than Madara's despite being one of the many Sasuke fans who were whining about how PS=PS when people were saying Sasuke's PS is weaker than Madara's.....smh.

Enton is no where near useless as it would burn hashi's wood rather easily especially since fires burn wood faster than anything anyways (Fact) obito's jinton was shot up at it naruto we seen what onoki jinton did to madara's on contact it wouldnt even had slow them down let alone block madara from getting hit im just comparing them in durablity wise offensively the only thing sasuke has to get through madara's ps is his sword or enton i dont care what sasuke fanboys say.

lol? He wasn't keeping up with Obito in speed, he was only tracking his movements (Only at the end) and countering accordingly. That won't help against Chojo Kebutsu.

You mentioned BM Naruto like he's even fast in his Kurama Avatar...lmfao.

obito had to block them everytime he only dodged them once also it wasit till his bm avatar did kakashi mistake him for Minato's FTG PS swors already shitted on 2000 arms sasuke wont even be in ranged irrelevant

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Ninjaverse existed before Rikudo was born, how in the hell is he going to create it with the sword? Use some common sense why don't you. Not to mention it was stated the the user's feelings power the sword. Obito was in doubt so he lost. Cutting through a sword of an unknown power doesn't mean anything here.



Go to bed unorthodox. Maybe sleep will let you realize that everything you are spouting is BS.

Shinsuusenju pounds Sasuke. Not even a contest.

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Madara explained it best it there wasit even a shinobi before the sage just humans fighting they were'nt even ninja

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1 it said the sage feeling not his own Thats why it looks like dna dont know where you got that its obito feeling sword bs from
2. feats it created the world of the ninja & obito was more than certaint it could destroy the world

 

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So Bijuu Dama don't move at high speeds? Log off. I'm not gonna bother wasting my time with you as all you will do is spout nonsense.

I'm going to need scans that show Madara can rapid spam these blades all before Shinsuusenju can pound him into the ground....oh wait, you don't have those.

you clearly didnt see the scan the buddah arms were clearly ripped apart even before the bijuu damas

Parts of its arms were falling off, not all of them. Not to mention Bijuu Dama are launched at higher speeds than Madara could ever hope of matching with his PS's strength alone, so this strategy is moot.

well ps was punched up and them caught in the explosion still was half left so im going with yes

The Bijuu Dama went up toward the statue and exploded, PS wasn't hit by the explosion nor did it even take the brunt of the explosion.

no where near close in smashing it again as it took all its arms to just take half ps off plus bijuu damas shinsuusenju alone is going down with just 1 perfect susanoo also i already showed the arrow compared to sasuke susanoo

It took off all of PS by itself as shown by the fact its completely gone in the next page. Bijuu Dama had no part in it.

That was compared to his V3, not PS.

Enton is no where near useless as it would burn hashi's wood rather easily especially since fires burn wood faster than anything anyways (Fact) obito's jinton was shot up at it naruto we seen what onoki jinton did to madara's on contact it wouldnt even had slow them down let alone block madara from getting hit im just comparing them in durablity wise offensively the only thing sasuke has to get through madara's ps is his sword or enton i dont care what sasuke fanboys say.

Already replied to everything about Enton. Not gonna repeat myself.

Are you serious? Onoki's Jinton>V1 Obito's Onmyoton when it comes to disintegrating things. Jinton destroyed 25 V3 Susanoo, Onmyoton used by controlled Obito was blocked by a ribcage. Unless you believe Ribcage>V3.

You were one of those fanboys.

obito had to block them everytime he only dodged them once also it wasit till his bm avatar did kakashi mistake him for Minato's FTG PS swors already shitted on 2000 arms sasuke wont even be in ranged irrelevant

Where in the world do you evens see his BM avatar? Oh wait, its nowhere, cause his Flash Shunshin is only usable when he is outside of the cloak.

PS Swords aren't doing shit, your shit argumentation needs to be taken elsewhere.

Saying Sasuke won't be in range is the same as saying he's going to be fighting a Mountain's distance away from Hashirama before the Buddha is summoned. Its idiotic to say.

Madara explained it best it there wasit even a shinobi before the sage just humans fighting they were'nt even ninja

......You can't be serious with this shit. THERE WAS A PHYSICAL PLANET WITH PEOPLE ON IT BEFORE RIKUDO EXISTED. HE DID NOT CREATE THE WORLD WITH HIS SWORD. That is the last time I'm going to say this. The fact I had to explain that makes me wonder if I should take you seriously or not.

1 it said the sage feeling not his own Thats why it looks like dna dont know where you got that its obito feeling sword bs from

That is because he was wielding it at the time genius. Obito has it now so it corresponds to him, and he doubted himself so he failed. Simple as that.

2. feats it created the world of the ninja & obito was more than certaint it could destroy the world

Feats: It didn't create the world & Obito failed hard using it. End of story. Hashirama beats Sasuke comfortably. Him winning is nothing but a fanboy opinion.

 

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- First of all, don't ever highlight anything for me at least. I find it highly immature and redundant. You are not the only one who has read the damn manga. See what he is saying here? Silence Versus Movement. Since Naruto, Jiraiya, and Hashirama negate the concept of standing still like a statue, hence he is obviously talking about complete mobility - covering a certain amount of distance. That in no way means they cannot talk or move as Kabuto did, who basically sloughed off his skin and attacked with his tails. It means some movement is permissibly and talking certainly isn't out of the question. Jesus Almighty.... Naruto, Jiraya, and Kabuto ALL talked and moved a little ... Do you have buttons for eyes?

- Majority of the forum members are such works of art. What a nice table-turner argument you got there: "I am right, because others say so". So mature.

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- Completely negates he has Jugo's ability. But talks about learning about the source, which is why Jugo was even studied - to gain the Sage Mode and train at the cave that is linked to Jugo's clan. Still a far-fetched assumption. In fact, completely negated here.

- What the ****?

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- It's to gather Natural Energy to extend the time and delimit Jiraiya's constraints. Those two keep gathering NE so he doesn't have to restrict himself completely. How does that even remotely mean that it took him that long to summon? You serious, where is your proof? Going by your logic, Jiraiya should have fused first and entered in SM later. When guess what, he starts the bloody mode with them.

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- Mastered the arts to some degree. Which means the training is on-going. That is on the EXACT same page you keep re-posting like a parrot. And yet, look at all the 'comprehension' crap you keep throwing my way.

- Right. The modes harmony is there, which means the process is facilitated. Naruto doesn't have to go through the trouble to harmonize them on his own. That is one step - like I keep repeating - completely omitted - harmonizing of energies to initiate SM. Your Large Chakra Logic is pulled out of no where, as the manga states no such thing. Don't try with the sanctimonious prig attitude, "my explanation is better than yours" when it's unsupported by manga. You sound so damn childish that way. Give your own arguments on your own accounts in a decent manner. In fact, it's no better than mine. Your utter confidence in it as being some kind of fact is nonsense.

- If you somehow believe in your own fanfiction, It's no one's problem as well - I believe I am wasting my time. Don't bother if you have same things to talk about. It's getting way too redundant and on my nerves.

 

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I am going to keep this rather short. Getting tired of this nonsense:

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- First of all, don't ever highlight anything for me at least. I find it highly immature and redundant. You are not the only one who has read the damn manga. See what he is saying here? Silence Versus Movement. Since Naruto, Jiraiya, and Hashirama negate the concept of standing still like a statue, hence he is obviously talking about complete mobility - covering a certain amount of distance. That in no way means they cannot talk or move as Kabuto did, who basically sloughed off his skin and attacked with his tails. It means some movement is permissibly and talking certainly isn't out of the question. Jesus Almighty.... Naruto, Jiraya, and Kabuto ALL talked and moved a little ... Do you have buttons for eyes?

I never said that he can't talk while gathering Nature Energy, ever.

-Uh, no. Naruto has stayed still every time he entered Sage Mode, same with Hashirama. The only thing they have done is spoken, their body itself never moved at all. Kabuto's did due to Jugo's ability.

-Uh, no. Nothing but an assumption, that doesn't even make sense.

Kabuto moved from the front of the cave behind some rocks and evaded Susanoo arrow, that is movement, quite a bit of movement, which is possible due to Kabuto's ability gained from Jugo. If you truly read the damn manga and understood it correctly then you wouldn't be trying so hard to prove you don't need to be still to gather Nature Energy despite multiple statements and showings saying otherwise.

- Majority of the forum members are such works of art. What a nice table-turner argument you got there: "I am right, because others say so". So mature.

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- Completely negates he has Jugo's ability. But talks about learning about the source, which is why Jugo was even studied - to gain the Sage Mode and train at the cave that is linked to Jugo's clan. Still a far-fetched assumption. In fact, completely negated here.

I clearly have back up for my argument. Never did I say that I'm right because everyone else believes it, especially when my argument alone is backed up by manga fact while all you are doing is reiterating something that doesn't refute anything I've stated. At all. Again,nothing you are spouting has anything to do with anything I said.

-Does it refute the fact that he has Jugo's cells? No.
-Does it refute the fact that Jugo can gather Nature Energy while moving? No.
-Does it refute the fact that Kabuto can gather Nature Energy while moving? No.

There is no damn assumption here, everything above is fact unless you'd like to show me where its proven wrong.

- What the ****?

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- It's to gather Natural Energy to extend the time and delimit Jiraiya's constraints. Those two keep gathering NE so he doesn't have to restrict himself completely. How does that even remotely mean that it took him that long to summon? You serious, where is your proof? Going by your logic, Jiraiya should have fused first and entered in SM later. When guess what, he starts the bloody mode with them.

Ma clearly said "Learn how to enter Sage Mode by yourself" Meaning he can't enter Sage Mode by himself, period. Its not getting any simpler than that. You adding your own meaning to what is already stated isn't helping your argument for shit. You're simply twisting manga fact.

I'm not interested in what you think the sentence means, cause it states what it means. "Learn how to enter Sage Mode by yourself" Meaning he can't do it without their help, that has nothing to do with actually maintaining the form, at all. Manga is there, read it, don't twist it.

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- Mastered the arts to some degree. Which means the training is on-going. That is on the EXACT same page you keep re-posting like a parrot. And yet, look at all the 'comprehension' crap you keep throwing my way.

No, the training was to learn how to enter Sage Mode in the first place, not to completely master it. Fukasaku's statement refers to being in battle, which isn't a training scenario at all. Are you still trying to argue this shit? Its already a fact that you need to be still to gather Nature Energy which allows you to enter Sage Mode. He was being trained to gather Nature Energy, which requires you to be still. Don't even know where you got this "Its only required to stay still for training" nonsense from when nothing like that was ever stated, hinted or implied in the manga.

The "arts" refer to Frog Kata and Frog Fu, not entering Sage Mode itself, which has been learned at this point of the manga, the only thing that can be improved on is how fast it takes him to enter Sage Mode.

-Naruto had to use clones against Pain to re enter Sage Mode cause he can't afford to stay still nor can he fuse with Ma or Pa.

-Naruto had to have Shinobi of the alliance cover for him multiple times to enter Sage Mode during the war arc cause he couldn't afford to be wide open since he can't move while gathering it.

-Naruto has been still every, single, time he enters Sage Mode yet here you are, spouting the same BS.

There. Is. No. Debate. Here. The above is a manga fact and anything contesting it is completely wrong.

- Right. The modes harmony is there, which means the process is facilitated. Naruto doesn't have to go through the trouble to harmonize them on his own. That is one step - like I keep repeating - completely omitted - harmonizing of energies to initiate SM. Your Large Chakra Logic is pulled out of no where, as the manga states no such thing. Don't try with the sanctimonious prig attitude, "my explanation is better than yours" when it's unsupported by manga. You sound so damn childish that way. Give your own arguments on your own accounts in a decent manner. In fact, it's no better than mine. Your utter confidence in it as being some kind of fact is nonsense.

-Kurama harmonizing SM and BM (Even though he isn't the one doing that, but I'll play along, cause you still don't make sense even if he was) has absolutely nothing to do with Naruto syncing his Spiritual, Natural, and Physical Energies to enter Sage Mode in the first place. How hard is this to understand? There is no step omitted for Naruto as he still needs to enter SM by gathering and balancing the Nature Energy. Kurama is not gathering for him nor is he balancing them for Naruto. That is nothing but fanfiction.

Unsupported by manga?

-The two people with larger chakras enter SM faster than the others. Naruto's SM initiation became faster when in BM (More chakra) yet its unsupported by manga? Not sure if serious. What is unsupported is the nonsense you are talking about.

- If you somehow believe in your own fanfiction, It's no one's problem as well - I believe I am wasting my time. Don't bother if you have same things to talk about. It's getting way too redundant and on my nerves.

Not even gonna bother replying to a guy who can only spout BS and try and deny and twist manga facts clearly stated and already established.

-Gathering Nature Energy not requiring movement=Fanfiction.

-Jiraiya gathering Nature Energy to enter SM despite Ma stating he can't enter it himself=Fanfiction.

-Hashirama taking a whole conversation's length to enter Sage Mode=Fanfiction.

Never should have replied if you were only going to repeat the same nonsense that the manga disagrees with.

 

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So Bijuu Dama don't move at high speeds? Log off. I'm not gonna bother wasting my time with you as all you will do is spout nonsense.

I'm going to need scans that show Madara can rapid spam these blades all before Shinsuusenju can pound him into the ground....oh wait, you don't have those.

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Flying susanoo sword is fast aswell bijuu dama didnt add no speed if anything it slowed it down because madara needed time to form a bijuu rather than using his swords off bat

Parts of its arms were falling off, not all of them. Not to mention Bijuu Dama are launched at higher speeds than Madara could ever hope of matching with his PS's strength alone, so this strategy is moot.

The Bijuu Dama went up toward the statue and exploded, PS wasn't hit by the explosion nor did it even take the brunt of the explosion.

It took off all of PS by itself as shown by the fact its completely gone in the next page. Bijuu Dama had no part in it.

That was compared to his V3, not PS.

parts of the arm? we must not be seeing the same thing

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madara shot the bijuu damas everywhere not to mention bijuu damas explosion radius are always giant

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This bijuu dama is about the sizeo of juubi's head if that yet look at the explosion radius compared to juubi

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clrealy dwafs juubi saying madara didnt get touch by the explosion is beyond me but keep cheering for TeamFanfiction

Already replied to everything about Enton. Not gonna repeat myself.

Are you serious? Onoki's Jinton>V1 Obito's Onmyoton when it comes to disintegrating things. Jinton destroyed 25 V3 Susanoo, Onmyoton used by controlled Obito was blocked by a ribcage. Unless you believe Ribcage>V3.

You were one of those fanboys.

Where in the world do you evens see his BM avatar? Oh wait, its nowhere, cause his Flash Shunshin is only usable when he is outside of the cloak.

PS Swords aren't doing shit, your shit argumentation needs to be taken elsewhere.

Onoki doesnt > Obito in anything not to mention he needed tsunade for that Naruto on kurama avatar moves way faster than he does on feet one step from naruto is like 10 inches 1 step from kurama is like 30 feet clearly is much faster with his BM avatar excuse me didnt ps sword tear apart all shinsuusenju arms? enton shits on wood & mokuton end of disscussion especially magatamas at ps level also his susanoo arrow has been near the size of his susanoo in leght since the begining

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hell even enton arrow outstretched his susanoo

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Saying Sasuke won't be in range is the same as saying he's going to be fighting a Mountain's distance away from Hashirama before the Buddha is summoned. Its idiotic to say.

i dont see why when susanoo cuts moutain ranges plus arrows magatamas & flying ps sword are distance attacks

......You can't be serious with this shit. THERE WAS A PHYSICAL PLANET WITH PEOPLE ON IT BEFORE RIKUDO EXISTED. HE DID NOT CREATE THE WORLD WITH HIS SWORD. That is the last time I'm going to say this. The fact I had to explain that makes me wonder if I should take you seriously or not.


That is because he was wielding it at the time genius. Obito has it now so it corresponds to him, and he doubted himself so he failed. Simple as that.



Feats: It didn't create the world & Obito failed hard using it. End of story. Hashirama beats Sasuke comfortably. Him winning is nothing but a fanboy opinion.

i said the ninja world not the world itself as he was the first being with abilities thus becoming the first ninja as i said before its the sages sword not obito's feeling dont change also obito never doubted himself he just had a memory or what could have been sasuke susanoo sword > nunoboko end of dissucussion

Like i said before

GOOOOOOOOOOD NIGGGHT KIDGAMER

 

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Flying susanoo sword is fast aswell bijuu dama didnt add no speed if anything it slowed it down because madara needed time to form a bijuu rather than using his swords off bat

Figures you'd take a scan where Naruto purposely fired it slow so it could hit Obito. It moved faster during the Madara fight, that alone already shits on this part of your post.

lol? Bijuu Dama was carrying the Susanoo sword, not the other way around, so that is Bijuu Dama's speed. I'm going to need scans to support the bold.

parts of the arm? we must not be seeing the same thing

If you aren't blind you can clearly see some hands hitting PS Kurama.

madara shot the bijuu damas everywhere not to mention bijuu damas explosion radius are always giant

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This bijuu dama is about the sizeo of juubi's head if that yet look at the explosion radius compared to juubi

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clrealy dwafs juubi saying madara didnt get touch by the explosion is beyond me but keep cheering for TeamFanfiction

Ok? Showing me the explosions of other Bijuu Dama have nothing to do with the main point here.

-Buddha smashed PS on its own.

-The Bijuu Dama barely did any damage to it hence them exploding far above the height of PS Kurama.

-Madara even stated that Hashirama removed it.

Stop arguing on this point. Manga disagrees.

Onoki doesnt > Obito in anything not to mention he needed tsunade for that Naruto on kurama avatar moves way faster than he does on feet one step from naruto is like 10 inches 1 step from kurama is like 30 feet clearly is much faster with his BM avatar excuse me didnt ps sword tear apart all shinsuusenju arms? enton shits on wood & mokuton end of disscussion especially magatamas at ps level also his susanoo arrow has been near the size of his susanoo in leght since the begining

Feats show that Jinton>Onmyoton in disintegrating ability so Jinton>Onmyoton in disintegrating ability. Its as simple as that.

Feats show that Naruto is faster on foot since his top speed is his flash Shunshin, which is only usable in human mode, not beast mode. Try again pal.

Bijuu Dama blades tore Shinsuusenju's arms after it destroyed Perfect Susanoo.

Scans of Magatama at PS level? Scans of Susanoo arrow being as big as PS? I'm only seeing shit assumptions. Arrow gets tanked, Magatama are blocked with ease. Everything Enton was already countered above. Until you reply to that everything about Enton will be ignored.

hell even enton arrow outstretched his susanoo

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Enton Arrow being bigger than a legless V3 doesn't mean it will reach PS size. I'm waiting for your scans...too bad they don't exist.

i dont see why when susanoo cuts moutain ranges plus arrows magatamas & flying ps sword are distance attacks

Hashirama isn't going to summon the Buddha until he is close enough. Once its summoned, they aren't evading it. Not in PS, not in legged Susanoo. Not a chance.

i said the ninja world not the world itself as he was the first being with abilities thus becoming the first ninja as i said before its the sages sword not obito's feeling down change sasuke susanoo > it end of dissucussion

This has nothing to do with the swords strength. At all. Nor does it help your argument as its power is unknown.

Like i said before

GOOOOOOOOOOD NIGGGHT KIDGAMER

The best you can do is make up stuff cause the manga doesn't support your stance on the matter. Please log off, it'll save me the trouble of dealing with this nonsense. I'll reply to whatever BS you spout next tomorrow.

 

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Figures you'd take a scan where Naruto purposely fired it slow so it could hit Obito. It moved faster during the Madara fight, that alone already shits on this part of your post.

lol? Bijuu Dama was carrying the Susanoo sword, not the other way around, so that is Bijuu Dama's speed. I'm going to need scans to support the bold.

its the opposite bijuu dama are moving off ps sword speed bijuu damas are spitting right from the mouth after the bijuu dama came out he then fired it its going off the susanoo sword speed if anything

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If you aren't blind you can clearly see some hands hitting PS Kurama.
Ok? Showing me the explosions of other Bijuu Dama have nothing to do with the main point here.
-Buddha smashed PS on its own.
-The Bijuu Dama barely did any damage to it hence them exploding far above the height of PS Kurama.
-Madara even stated that Hashirama removed it Stop arguing on this point. Manga disagrees.

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ofcourse because hashirama did alot of damage but they both were caught in the explosion as you cannot even see kurama in the explosion clealry was ground level your excuses are boring the **** outa me

Feats show that Jinton>Onmyoton in disintegrating ability so Jinton>Onmyoton in disintegrating ability. Its as simple as that.
Feats show that Naruto is faster on foot since his top speed is his flash Shunshin, which is only usable in human mode, not beast mode. Try again pal.
Bijuu Dama blades tore Shinsuusenju's arms after it destroyed Perfect Susanoo.

Onmyoton hasit went up against that many things so trying to say jinton> nothing more than pure assumption show me a scan kakashi mistaking naruto for minato without kurama avatar then we can talk shinsuusenju arsm were clearly tore apart before then

Scans of Magatama at PS level? Scans of Susanoo arrow being as big as PS? I'm only seeing shit assumptions. Arrow gets tanked, Magatama are blocked with ease. Everything Enton was already countered above. Until you reply to that everything about Enton will be ignored. Enton Arrow being bigger than a legless V3 doesn't mean it will reach PS size. I'm waiting for your scans...too bad they don't exist.

like i said susanoo is susanoo perfect of not madara just hasit use magatamas or anything else in ps form besides his blades susanoo arrow in base susanoo is long in length even when he gained legs still show how it was still comparable to it in length as susanoo sword is the size compared to all version of susanoo

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if your implying that magatamas, susanoo arrows, or enton magatamas, enton arrow, wont be the same size in comparable to ps because it hasit been shown you need to log off re read the manga get hashirama's wood out you anus and as i stated before madara solos he just keep reforming ps unless you think buddah can destroy an endless amount of ps when it couldnt even destroy one

Hashirama isn't going to summon the Buddha until he is close enough. Once its summoned, they aren't evading it. Not in PS, not in legged Susanoo. Not a chance.

This has nothing to do with the swords strength. At all. Nor does it help your argument as its power is unknown.

The best you can do is make up stuff cause the manga doesn't support your stance on the matter. Please log off, it'll save me the trouble of dealing with this nonsense. I'll reply to whatever BS you spout next tomorrow.

how does hashirama stays close with this

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also the susanoo can get out of his range like i said sasuke standind susanoo jumped a few 100 feet to get juubito dont bother replying my last post all the bs you posted made my head hurt