Hashirama vs Edo Madara + EMS Sasuke

[shelke]

All you showed is that there is indeed a time where they need to gather nature energy which I never denied. Hashirama's is clearly faster.

Why are you repeating this same stuff? Them clapping their hands doesn't mean they've begun gathering Nature Energy the moment they've done so. This doesn't contradict anything the manga has stated about Sage Mode. I have posted another scan that shows him entering Sage Mode in the same time frame as he did at VoTE. In 1-2 seconds so I'm not seeing why you are still trying to dispute this.

-Kabuto can passively absorb Nature Energy without being still, Jiraiya cant.

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Jiraiya moved around multiple times, re-read that whole entire chapter and you'll see him move.

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, that's already fact...so he wasn't gathering Nature Energy.



The manga doesn't need to state something for it to be completely apparent.

-Base Naruto enters SM slower than BM Naruto.

-Meaning the more chakra you have, the shorter the time interval is for entering Sage Mode.

Where does the manga even state that the nature energy consumption speed has increased because both modes were synced? Unlike my point this point is completely unsupported by manga. Syncing both modes allows him to use SM and BM at the same time, that is what was stated.

-Naruto had more chakra so he absorbed Nature Energy faster.

-Hashirama has more chakra than anyone else who has used it thus far so he absorbs it much faster than they have.

@bold: There is another that show him entering Sage Mode in a much shorter time frame than him and Madara's whole entire conversation. That makes this point completely moot as it shows he wasn't gathering Nature Energy the moment his hands were clapped. Hashirama showed his focus when he clapped his hands and closed his eyes, that is when he started to gather his Nature Energy.

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clearly isn't as large as the conversation, which you are using as the base of your assertion that Hashirama takes a longer time than I think to enter Sage Mode. This is the third time I'm posting this scan.

You are believing what you want to believe. In all cases, the hands are clasped or clapped together to gather Natural Energy. It's more pronounced in case of Kabuto, as they snakes even grew bigger. There is no reason to do otherwise. What the manga has established through several other characters, cannot simply be denied, just because the manga itself accelerated the action - Hashirama's original inititaion STILL holds, no matter how many time you deny it.

He says let's go here -

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You don't see him on the screen here -

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He is still charging here, as we never see him clap his hands together -

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How did you simply assume it's one second - when even on that image it doesn't seem that way?

All people go through the same process -

- Clasping hands.
- Gathering of Natural Energy.
- Physical alterations or pronounced difference around the eyes.

It's the same for every character that ever entered in SM. Naruto is actually the fastest, because it hardly took him 6 - 8 seconds max to enter SM on the battle-field. Hashirama? Not a chance.

I am sorry, how are you making this connection? BM Naruto doesn't recharge his chakra for the mode, Kurama does. The mode is synced by Kurama - thatb is actually the third step, which is skipped for Naruto's ease. So if the Natural Energy consumption is made faster, it isn't out of the world. Heck, that syncing is the whole deal -

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- All he has to do is gather it. Nor can you even compare Hashirama who neither is a vessel, nor does he have BM Naruto's Chakra. Even the thought is flabbergasting. Nothing of the sort is even implied in the manga. Not even once. All we know is that Large Chakra reserves are a requirement for SM.

The ones with perfect sage mode should have similar Initiation times. What holds true for Kabuto and Naruto, should hold true for Hashirama. It's just that simple. The manga doesn't need to over-state things. The image you should be in no way translates into one-second.

Again, an assumption. People are shown to talk, use technique, attack even whilst they gather natural energy. I even posted the scans. This is no way proves that he was not gathering natural energy, when Naruto does the exact same thing, and the colour around his eyes changes. This physical change is a clear indication that the Initiation is complete. It doesn't - in the remotest sense imply that Naruto or DSM Kabuto were gathering energy only the time the physcial change occured.

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- He clearly states here that he is about to enter SM. What's there to dispute, when the character himswelf states that he is doing so? Moved more than just a muscle here -

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. Talked the whole time, in fact. That image is obviously for Naruto's training as even a single mistake could turn him into a frog -

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You don't have to repost that scan; I have read the manga as well. Still don't see this logic of panel = time.

 

[Boston Rob]

Madara has almost all Hashirama tech plus EMS and rinnegan will crush First...

 

[KidGamer65]

You are believing what you want to believe. In all cases, the hands are clasped or clapped together to gather Natural Energy. It's more pronounced in case of Kabuto, as they snakes even grew bigger. There is no reason to do otherwise. What the manga has established through several other characters, cannot simply be denied, just because the manga itself accelerated the action - Hashirama's original inititaion STILL holds, no matter how many time you deny it.

No, it doesn't and repeating this point over and over and over again isn't helping your argument at all as NOTHING I said contradicts the manga. Did I say he doesn't need to clap his hands to gather Nature Energy? No. The hands being clasped or clapped doesn't mean they have started gathering Nature Energy at that exact moment, how hard is that to understand? Other manga events show that the conversation isn't an accurate measure of how fast he can enter Sage Mode because he has entered it quicker before, that fact alone makes your point moot. It doesn't matter how fast the others enter it, he entered it fast the first time, from the point he closed his eyes is when he started to gather Nature Energy, his later initiation as an Edo makes this fact loud and clear.

You saying he started to charge the moment his hands were clapped goes against his display as an Edo and it goes against Hashirama's intent at the time.

He says let's go here -

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You don't see him on the screen here -

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He is still charging here, as we never see him clap his hands together -

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How did you simply assume it's one second - when even on that image it doesn't seem that way?

What are you even talking about? Please show me in any of these scans where Hashirama's hands were clasped together like you believe? It wasn't shown on any of the panels so saying he's still charging or that he's started charging is a baseless assumption. Saying lets go doesn't mean he started charging. Where are you getting this "We never see him clap his hands together so he's still charging" nonsense from? I hope you aren't telling me he was charging from here until page 10........when the manga clearly shows otherwise.

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The above is the one and ONLY page he was charging in, and you can tell its between 1-3 seconds, unless you believe Hashirama decided to wait for 2 or 3 seconds before dropping the Gates on the Juubi, which he did immediately after the Hokage formed the barrier.

All people go through the same process -

- Clasping hands.
- Gathering of Natural Energy.
- Physical alterations or pronounced difference around the eyes.

It's the same for every character that ever entered in SM. Naruto is actually the fastest, because it hardly took him 6 - 8 seconds max to enter SM on the battle-field. Hashirama? Not a chance.

Never said that they didn't now did I? Manga clearly disagrees with the bold.

I am sorry, how are you making this connection? BM Naruto doesn't recharge his chakra for the mode, Kurama does. The mode is synced by Kurama - thatb is actually the third step, which is skipped for Naruto's ease. So if the Natural Energy consumption is made faster, it isn't out of the world. Heck, that syncing is the whole deal -

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- All he has to do is gather it. Nor can you even compare Hashirama who neither is a vessel, nor does he have BM Naruto's Chakra. Even the thought is flabbergasting. Nothing of the sort is even implied in the manga. Not even once. All we know is that Large Chakra reserves are a requirement for SM.

Kurama recharges the chakra and hands it to Naruto, making it the chakra he uses while in BM, thus making it the chakra he melds his Nature Energy with. It is completely irrelevant where it came from as he is one using the chakra at the moment. The scan you posted has absolutely nothing to do with the speed of gathering Nature Energy, those are the basic requirements to enter Sage Mode.

Why in the world would it be Kurama syncing the Nature Energy when its Naruto gathering it? Why would he be syncing it when Naruto is the one who can control it, not Kurama? Why would he be syncing it when Naruto is the one who utilizes the chakra Kurama simply hands him?

The ones with perfect sage mode should have similar Initiation times. What holds true for Kabuto and Naruto, should hold true for Hashirama. It's just that simple. The manga doesn't need to over-state things. The image you should be in no way translates into one-second.

That is your assumption, Naruto has clearly shown to enter it faster than Kabuto can. Hashirama has been shown twice to enter it faster than both of them except BM Naruto, but since you are trying to gauge the conversation as the amount of time it takes for him to enter SM based on the fact he simply clapped his hands (Doesn't prove he was gathering it from that moment, especially when other events show that he wasn't) I brought the scan of him entering it as an Edo, which is not disputable. He wasn't shown gathering it on any other page, saying he was nothing but an assumption.

It translates to roughly between 1-3 seconds, suggesting its any higher is completely ridiculous.

Again, an assumption. People are shown to talk, use technique, attack even whilst they gather natural energy. I even posted the scans. This is no way proves that he was not gathering natural energy, when Naruto does the exact same thing, and the colour around his eyes changes. This physical change is a clear indication that the Initiation is complete. It doesn't - in the remotest sense imply that Naruto or DSM Kabuto were gathering energy only the time the physcial change occured.

They haven't been shown to use techniques period, except maybe Kabuto and his liquefying ability, but he can gather it on the move so it doesn't matter.

Fukasaku disagrees with the bold, if you aren't still you can't gather it, meaning he wasn't gathering it.

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- He clearly states here that he is about to enter SM. What's there to dispute, when the character himswelf states that he is doing so? Moved more than just a muscle here -

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. Talked the whole time, in fact. That image is obviously for Naruto's training as even a single mistake could turn him into a frog -

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Come on now. You can't be serious with this. I posted a scan that shows you can't move to gather Nature Energy and you are still telling me that Jiraiya was gathering it despite moving the whole chapter?

-Try reading what he says after that. "I'm calling on the Ni Dai Sennin" so no, he wasn't gathering Nature Energy, he was summoning them.

He moved here because he simply wasn't gathering Nature Energy, how hard is that to understand?

Wrong, don't know where that interpretation even came from. Fukasaku said that you have to stay still to gather Nature Energy, ALL Sage Mode users have to follow this rule, it isn't just Naruto, that makes no sense. That scan shows Naruto failing to properly control it AFTER he's gathered thus he starts transforming into a toad. In no way does that mean the aforementioned rule doesn't apply to anyone else.

 

[genii96]

-Read the manga clearly. PS blocked them for him at the cost of it being destroyed. Obviously Madara isn't going to be hurt.

-Again, read the manga clearly. He didn't aim for them that time, otherwise the shockwave never would have cut the Mountains, it would have hit them. You can see them looking at the Mountain, outside of the main path PS cut. [

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] That Mountain cutting feat puts it far above the Meteor anyway.

Basically you are telling me that the Meteor is better than PS swordslashes based on flawed reasoning.



So, the shockwave killed people and failed to get past Dodai of all people's defenses and poof a Naruto clone...yet its stronger than PS.

-PS cut a Mountain, wasn't even aiming for the Gokage.

-Buddha broke PS, which tanked a Bijuu Dama, and is much more powerful than PS which is already stronger than the meteor.

From your post, Meteor's best feat is creating an earthquake and killing a few people who weren't even protected, while everyone who was protected survived.


What speed? Onoki was able to fly up and intercept it with ease, don't bother bringing meteor speed wank into this.

-Buddha has more firepower, Buddha easily catches them or smacks them away. It doesn't help that it dwarfs both meteors.

You mean the damage Dodai and Naruto's clone survived? lmao. Get outta here. Lets not forget that Gaara survived it with a sand wall and Onoki was only critically injured.

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Meteor is useless.



Are you still coming here with this extremely idiotic logic? All your post consists of is Buddha is wood so it gets burnt easily. If this is the best you can do don't bother replying. It couldn't even completely incinerate White Zetsu clones and you think it'll incinerate Buddha let alone incinerate it before it can do anything?

Buddha's hands extend across Mountain Ranges with ease, the moment its summoned it'll pound them into the ground. Sasuke's Susanoo isn't getting away, not with its speed feats.




What DA said is correct. Base Hashirama is at the most equal to EMS Madara without Kurama. There is no way Base Hashirama is clearly stronger and especially not that much stronger than EMS Madara w/o Kurama when he has no way to disable Perfect Susanoo, but he can fight on par with it as shown in the manga.

they ran way from it's initial impact point,yet many still got killed by the mere shockwaves it created,the fact that dodai had to still protect the naruto clones despite them running away from the meteor shows just how powerful it really was.
What the heack are you talking about?,the ps shockwave clearly blew through the kages,and then went ahead to destroy the mountain,

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clearly hit the kages.

Dodia and naruto ran away from the meteor how many times do i have to say this,the fact that dodai still protected the clone proves it's power.

A few people?,there were barely anyone left,and THEY ALL RAN WAY FROM IT,they werent even close to the meteor. The meteor itself didnt even hit anyone,it's chockwaves are what did all the damage,and one was lightened,while the blow of the second was softened by the lightened one,so the meteor attack wasnt even close to being at full power.

All the kages were unprotected and they survived the PS slash,shinobi who were several hundred metres away from the meteor got killed. So yea,it is stronger.

Meteros hit the ground at about 1.5 km per second or thereabout. Thats 1500 metres per second,which is fast,onoki could fly,which is why he could intercept it,and as he made it lighter,it's weight reduced and such it started falling slower. Hashirama cant fly,nor can he lighten it.

Budha cathing a falling meteor?,or two meteors?,what a joke.

Dodai and naruto ran away from the meteor site,and just because a few people survived,dosent mean the meteor is weak,bringing up 2 shinobi that survived an attack when ignoring the dozens of shinobi that were killed by a weakened meteor attack when they all ran away is rubbish. Onoki was in the air when the meteor hit the ground,and was yet still got injured badly,the mere shockwaves destroyed madara's complete susanoo also. Noone got hit by the meteor itself,and the blast of the meteor was even weakened by the fact that one was lightened.

Sasuke dosent need to burn down the entire thing,just the feet,without that,the statue falls down. And no matter how big it is,it is wood,and wood is extremely weak to fire,a single amaterasu projectile from itachi nearly swept through an entire forest,a single fireball from madara burnt down a chunk of the flower tree world. Wood is weak to fire,and amaterasu is the higherst fire release,all he needs to do is burn down the feet and the entire thing will come down. What r u saying?,the budha moves slowly,those hands dont strectch to any mountain range,he needed to get close to hit madara.

 

[KidGamer65]

they ran way from it's initial impact point,yet many still got killed by the mere shockwaves it created,the fact that dodai had to still protect the naruto clones despite them running away from the meteor shows just how powerful it really was.

They got killed by shockwaves, unprotected people, mentioning this feat over and over again isn't helping cause it is shit in front of PS let alone Shinsuusenju.

lol? Dafuq am I reading? The fact that Dodai protected the clone shows that its not anywhere near as strong as you are making it seem. The fact that you think Meteors are stronger than a Bijuu Dama which is stronger than other Bijuu Dama that casually vaporize Mountains only shows that you meteor wankers can't be taken seriously.

What the heack are you talking about?,the ps shockwave clearly blew through the kages,and then went ahead to destroy the mountain,

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clearly hit the kages.

False. They were beside the path of destruction as shown in this

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. Regardless, PS sword slash already showed the power to cut distant Mountains, far better than anything any Meteor has shown so either way, your argument makes no damn sense.

Dodia and naruto ran away from the meteor how many times do i have to say this,the fact that dodai still protected the clone proves it's power.

A few people?,there were barely anyone left,and THEY ALL RAN WAY FROM IT,they werent even close to the meteor. The meteor itself didnt even hit anyone,it's chockwaves are what did all the damage,and one was lightened,while the blow of the second was softened by the lightened one,so the meteor attack wasnt even close to being at full power.

There is nothing to say here.

-Meteors best feat is killing people and destroying Madara's V2 Susanoo.

-PS tanked Bijuu Dama and cut Mountains.

-Shinsuusenju>PS.

PS dwarfs Meteors. Buddha dwarfs PS. Buddha dwarfs Meteors. Meaning meteors are a non factor here.

All the kages were unprotected and they survived the PS slash,shinobi who were several hundred metres away from the meteor got killed. So yea,it is stronger.

False, it wasn't aimed toward them.

Meteros hit the ground at about 1.5 km per second or thereabout. Thats 1500 metres per second,which is fast,onoki could fly,which is why he could intercept it,and as he made it lighter,it's weight reduced and such it started falling slower. Hashirama cant fly,nor can he lighten it.

Gonna need some proof for this unfounded statement. If its not from the manga then don't bother mentioning it cause Kishimoto doesn't always follow real life logic. That meteor was clearly not moving at 1.5 km per second.

Budha cathing a falling meteor?,or two meteors?,what a joke.

A Meteor that is mere rock compared to PS let alone the Buddha is destroying it? Please slap yourself.

Dodai and naruto ran away from the meteor site,and just because a few people survived,dosent mean the meteor is weak,bringing up 2 shinobi that survived an attack when ignoring the dozens of shinobi that were killed by a weakened meteor attack when they all ran away is rubbish. Onoki was in the air when the meteor hit the ground,and was yet still got injured badly,the mere shockwaves destroyed madara's complete susanoo also. Noone got hit by the meteor itself,and the blast of the meteor was even weakened by the fact that one was lightened.

-They were killed because they had no defense, Dodai did, learn the difference, a difference I clearly mentioned.

-Onoki was right under the meteor hence him flying up to try and catch it with help from Gaara but failed.

-Meteor's best feat is supposedly destroying Madara's INCOMPLETE, not Complete, which is only the second level of Susanoo while PS's best feat is cutting a Mountain with its own shockwave, and Buddha trumps that by far.....this isn't an argument, just you wanking the meteors power.

The same meteor you are wanking was completely eradicated by Madara's PS sword slash, yet you think its stronger than PS? lol....not sure if serious with this nonsense.

Sasuke dosent need to burn down the entire thing,just the feet,without that,the statue falls down. And no matter how big it is,it is wood,and wood is extremely weak to fire,a single amaterasu projectile from itachi nearly swept through an entire forest,a single fireball from madara burnt down a chunk of the flower tree world. Wood is weak to fire,and amaterasu is the higherst fire release,all he needs to do is burn down the feet and the entire thing will come down. What r u saying?,the budha moves slowly,those hands dont strectch to any mountain range,he needed to get close to hit madara.

What the f*ck am I reading in this post? Don't even reply if you are going to spout such idiotic nonsense. Normal wood is weak to fire are you really using a normal forests durability for Mokuton? Lol.....not sure if serious.

Madara burnt down a chunk of the Flower World? Are you lying about the manga now to benefit your terrible argument?

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. Madara didn't burnt through shit.

Nothing you said changes the fact that Enton couldn't even burn right through Zetsu, its not burning through any part of Buddha, your shitty "Fire>Wood" logic doesn't work here pal.

They don't strech a Mountain range but they strech a Mountain's distance as seen when these two are a Mountain apart. [

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] Shinsuusenju is summoned and immediately pounds Sasuke into the ground.

 

[slimreaper]

the Buddha gets taken care of with a bijuu sized amaterasu

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add this to two PS's and its a stomp

 

[KidGamer65]

the Buddha gets taken care of with a bijuu sized amaterasu

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add this to two PS's and its a stomp

"Bijuu" sized Amaterasu on a construct that dwarfed 100% Kurama who, in turn, dwarfs Gyuki? It wasn't even as big as the whole of Gyuki....lmao. Do fanboys ever think before they speak or in this case, post?

Madara's PS was getting stalemated by a mere Mokujin from Hashirama, it by itself is ZERO threat to Shinsuusenju. It can't stop or evade Chojo Kebutsu nor can it even scratch the Buddha when it..again, couldn't even down Mokujin with a slash. Sasuke's PS doesn't change shit here. It gets broken right along with Madara's, who got his broken in canon even when it went through the Bijuu Dama it fired thus weakening the attack by destroying some of the fists.....

So far all the arguments I see for these two are shit, I guess its clear who wins.

 

[Shura]

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the Buddha gets taken care of with a bijuu sized amaterasu

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add this to two PS's and its a stomp

Only one problem. Shin Sūsenju is a lot bigger than a Bijū considering that it can grab a Bijū with one of it's hands and play with it.

 

[slimreaper]

Only one problem. Shin Sūsenju is a lot bigger than a Bijū considering that it can grab a Bijū with one of it's hands and play with it.

the point is the amaterasu would spread and considering madara would also be there, hashi wouldn't be able to get to sasuke and keep him from spreading amaterasu like itachi did

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[Shura]

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the point is the amaterasu would spread and considering madara would also be there, hashi wouldn't be able to get to sasuke and keep him from spreading amaterasu like itachi did

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Well, that is a fair point considering how fast fire spreads on wood.

[video=youtube;fsaLCdC3iWw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsaLCdC3iWw[/video]

 

[KidGamer65]

the point is the amaterasu would spread and considering madara would also be there, hashi wouldn't be able to get to sasuke and keep him from spreading amaterasu like itachi did

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Madara is there? And? So? He can't stop Chojo Kebutsu and its AoE is large enough to pound the both of them and they can't stop it. All the arguments for the Buddha destruction require Hashirama to sit there and act like he doesn't give a f*ck instead of fighting.

Not even factoring in how long it'd take to burn right through the statue.....stop with the shit arguments.

Well, that is a fair point considering how fast fire spreads on wood.

[video=youtube;fsaLCdC3iWw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsaLCdC3iWw[/video]

Not even the same kind of wood first of all, second of all Madara's Katon hit Flower Tree World but it didn't spread anywhere near a speed that would be called fast if it even spread at all.

 

[Shura]

Not even the same kind of wood first of all, second of all Madara's Katon hit Flower Tree World but it didn't spread anywhere near a speed that would be called fast if it even spread at all.

Eh, you have a fair point there. I forgot that Madara's Katon didn't spread throught the Kajukai Kōrin. Oh well, I guess that is Kishi logic again.

 

[KidGamer65]

Eh, you have a fair point there. I forgot that Madara's Katon didn't spread throught the Kajukai Kōrin. Oh well, I guess that is Kishi logic again.

Even if it did, we still have to factor in how long it'd actually take to disable the statue, not like its going to spread across a statue that dwarfs Mountains before Hashirama attacks.

 

[slimreaper]

Madara is there? And? So? He can't stop Chojo Kebutsu and its AoE is large enough to pound the both of them and they can't stop it. All the arguments for the Buddha destruction require Hashirama to sit there and act like he doesn't give a f*ck instead of fighting.

Not even factoring in how long it'd take to burn right through the statue.....stop with the shit arguments.




Not even the same kind of wood first of all, second of all Madara's Katon hit Flower Tree World but it didn't spread anywhere near a speed that would be called fast if it even spread at all.

how would hashi stop the amaterasu?

how would the buddah hit sasuke? it hasn't shown the ability to move and the only reason it hit madara is because he tried to go head up with it. with the lack of mobility and it being on fire not to mention sasuke direction arrows at hashi( who sits on its head). hashi would be pinned down and could clearly be killed by madara. unless you're suggesting the buddah can move without hashi on it( that isnt' canon)

 

[Shura]

Even if it did, we still have to factor in how long it'd actually take to disable the statue, not like its going to spread across a statue that dwarfs Mountains before Hashirama attacks.

Yeah, that's true. I don't see Madara and Sasuke taking down Shin Sūsenju either unless Sasuke uses Enton on Madara's Perfect Susano'o Sword so that he could cut off the statue's legs, however, that is extremely doubtful.

 

[KidGamer65]

how would hashi stop the amaterasu?

how would the buddah hit sasuke? it hasn't shown the ability to move and the only reason it hit madara is because he tried to go head up with it. with the lack of mobility and it being on fire not to mention sasuke direction arrows at hashi( who sits on its head). hashi would be pinned down and could clearly be killed by madara. unless you're suggesting the buddah can move without hashi on it( that isnt' canon)

He doesn't need to stop it when it can't disable the Buddha at all. Suggesting it is would be nothing but inflating the ability of Amaterasu to ridiculous levels. Saying it'll spread all over the Buddha and destroy it is nothing but wanking it.

On fire=/= Disabled.

....sigh, not sure if serious.

-Sasuke's arrows aren't doing anything to Hashirama while on top of the Buddha. Shinsuusenju just moves its hand and tanks the arrow with zero effort. Or he sidesteps it, both of which will be easy to do as reacting to Susanoo arrow is a piece of cake when this guy is a Mountain's height away from them and while he's in Sage Mode.

-Shinsuusenju can clearly move. [

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] Unless you think Sasuke is crossing a whole Mountain's distance or more while inside Perfect Susanoo then he isn't dodging the Buddha once its summoned, as once its summoned it will immediately turn Madara and Sasuke into paste.

@AC: Even Mokujin was able to take a shockwave slash from Perfect Susanoo without being destroyed.

 

[slimreaper]

He doesn't need to stop it when it can't disable the Buddha at all. Suggesting it is would be nothing but inflating the ability of Amaterasu to ridiculous levels. Saying it'll spread all over the Buddha and destroy it is nothing but wanking it.

On fire=/= Disabled.

....sigh, not sure if serious.

-Sasuke's arrows aren't doing anything to Hashirama while on top of the Buddha. Shinsuusenju just moves its hand and tanks the arrow with zero effort. Or he sidesteps it, both of which will be easy to do as reacting to Susanoo arrow is a piece of cake when this guy is a Mountain's height away from them and while he's in Sage Mode.

-Shinsuusenju can clearly move. [

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] Unless you think Sasuke is crossing a whole Mountain's distance or more while inside Perfect Susanoo then he isn't dodging the Buddha once its summoned, as once its summoned it will immediately turn Madara and Sasuke into paste.

@AC: Even Mokujin was able to take a shockwave slash from Perfect Susanoo without being destroyed.

actually what stops sasuke from just igniting the head of the Buddha where hashi is standing? if hashi moves the buddha stops moving and the threat is ended.

and the buddha just leaned over it didn't truly move like this

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[KidGamer65]

actually what stops sasuke from just igniting the head of the Buddha where hashi is standing? if hashi moves the buddha stops moving and the threat is ended

He can try and ignite its face, but he isn't getting its head as he isn't seeing the top of Buddha's head nor is he seeing Hashirama from more than a Mountain's distance away. If you try and say the flame will spread to him, he simply blocks it off with Mokuton.

Not to mention this will all be going on while Shinsuusenju tries to pound them, so it really doesn't matter cause in the end, Hashirama has a small fireball on his Buddha while Sasuke and Madara are smeared across the landscape by Chojo Kebutsu...

You can't be serious if you think Amaterasu alone is doing any harm to the Buddha. Then again, seeing your Sasuke threads I'm not really surprised.

 

[Awkward Linguist]

Edo Madara has completely surpassed Hashirama after obtaining hashirama's DNA. Not sure if you've kept up with the manga lately, but Madara has wood release on par with Hashirama's, meteorite summons, Rinnegan and Perfect Susano. Madara doesn't even need to be an Edo to defeat current Hashirama. The buddah with the thousand hands may prove to be difficult, but in the end it'll fall when Chibaku Tensei/multiple meteorites/universal pull is used once or twice. Not to mention that now with his dna, his stamina has surpassed to what it was last time. ​

 

[KidGamer65]

Edo Madara has completely surpassed Hashirama after obtaining hashirama's DNA. Not sure if you've kept up with the manga lately, but Madara has wood release on par with Hashirama's, meteorite summons, Rinnegan and Perfect Susano. Madara doesn't even need to be an Edo to defeat current Hashirama. The buddah with the thousand hands may prove to be difficult, but in the end it'll fall when Chibaku Tensei/multiple meteorites/universal pull is used once or twice. Not to mention that now with his dna, his stamina has surpassed to what it was last time. ​

Feat for him using Chibaku Tensei? Its not like Buddha can't smash the core anyway. Nothing else you mentioned matters against the Buddha due it being vastly inferior to what its already dealt with.

The bold is pretty ironic, cause anyone keeping up with the manga would know that Madara is still weaker than Hashirama. This is all Madara fans do. Hand feats to Madara so he can stand a chance against Hashirama or exaggerate powers that he's already shown.

Call me when Madara doesn't get smashed by Chojo Kebutsu.