Izanami Deciphered

[Disquiet]

The fact it wasn't specifically states for what Itachi would say prevents it from being undeniable, and thus we'd have to wait on Kishi for the proper explanation. I would say the context of Viz supports my phrasing just as much as yours.

1. Look at A ====> A'. This says "time flow" meaning there is a definite glow of time AKA: real events. Now, while this also suggests that he could instantaneously make A' visually, the bottom right text also promotes the idea that doesn't
Itachi, " By overlaying and connecting A to A'... The Izanami links a path between any events that occurred between those two points."

Time is the general progression of life, or reality as we know it. The underline indicates time of events occurring between A and A'. Thus, B, C, and Points Between would have to have transpired. With the only information we have, Itachi says using his power between Ocular Prowess and skill to perfectly recreate A as A'.


Based on what we have, we can only assume he had to recreate it realistically. It could be suggested otherwise, but it isn't specifically stated.



Furthermore, note when he says Izanami Activate. Notice from then on, the confrontation intervals are relatively brief between initial and repeat phases. There's no point showing this entire sequence if he's in the genjutsu. Especially compared to the other loops. The argument could be made that Itachi just waited, but he wanted to help Kabuto. Thus he'd have immediately activated it.

For now, even with the Viz translation it would more logically indicate my explanation. But naturally it's plausible for the other to exist.

I can agree with this, and it doesn't even refute my point or Itachi's words. You know why?

Now, while this also suggests that he could instantaneously

^That right there. My original post was only to debunk the idea he needs to make contact a second time; which his explanation proves (I agree it may need further explanation by Kishi, but until then, the evidence is against his needing contact) that's not the case. Do I think he could activate it instantly? Probably not. He probably has to wait a while. Do I believe he needs contact to recreate it? No. Your post centers around the idea that time passed (which I can agree with).

All in all, there's nothing to argue here. We are more or less in agreement. Your explanation still applies; meaning there's no reason to deny Itachi's words that A' is created solely through ocular powers.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Now why would your explanation skip this part of the action

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3MESSIAH already simplified it.

 

[VongolaX]

Thread creator and Nameless just showed use what true understanding of reading comprehension.

OP: Nice thread, I posted the exact same thing in two other threads like these but never found the missing eye socket.

*****

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Thread creator and Nameless just showed use what true understanding of reading comprehension.

OP: Nice thread, I posted the exact same thing in two other threads like these but never found the missing eye socket.

*****

Then you might want the post above. #22

 

[VongolaX]

Now why would your explanation skip this part of the action

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3MESSIAH already simplified it.

Is that viz translation?

I remember answering this question before...

I'm not on a computer now but if you go to manga stream or panda whatever

Sasuke asked if inzanami is activated and itachi answer I'm preparing something else too. <----tsukyomi

That scans not reliable since Sasuke didn't know when he activated it in the first place

 

[VongolaX]

Then you might want the post above. #22

Same thing minator93 said

Everything was already explained in the last inzanami post we had....

Still waiting for that answer :|

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Is that viz translation?

I remember answering this question before...

I'm not on a computer now but if you go to manga stream or panda whatever

Sasuke asked if inzanami is activated and itachi answer I'm preparing something else too. <----tsukyomi

That scans not reliable since Sasuke didn't know when he activated it in the first place

Im using mangapanda since I have no where to find viz.
How does Tsukyomi fit into the context when Kabuto's eyes are completely shut.

 

[VongolaX]

Im using mangapanda since I have no where to find viz.
How does Tsukyomi fit into the context when Kabuto's eyes are completely shut.

Tsukyomi was used when kabuto was stuck in the loop remember?

He was gathering chakra to use tsukyomi to free Edo tensei

If itachi actually got hit all those scans, he wouldn't of gathered enough chakra to use the genjustu.

Did you read the last thread or no?

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Tsukyomi was used when kabuto was stuck in the loop remember?

Show me.

He was gathering chakra to use tsukyomi to free Edo tensei

Show me

If itachi actually got hit all those scans, he wouldn't of gathered enough chakra to use the genjustu.

Which contradicts your statement that Kabuto was already in the loop.

Did you read the last thread or no?

Post it, cause last time I remember posting last.

PS the scna i post was from here and not mangapanda

 

[VongolaX]

Show me.



Show me



Which contradicts your statement that Kabuto was already in the loop.



Post it, cause last time I remember posting last.

PS the scna i post was from here and not mangapanda

Chapter 588 page 3

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The 3 times he got hit is what I'm referring to...

The scan that shows him getting bisected by the torso <----if that wasn't inzanami, itachi wouldn't of gather enough chakra for tsukyomi.

 

[Shinobi2012]

Kishimoto dedicated an entire chapter explaining izanami literally step by step and even details the purpose of its creation.

.......

 

[VongolaX]

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Better translation

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Varia I dont know where you are going with this. If you claiming that Izanagi needs to work with only one snap shot, then I don't know where to even try to bother discussion. Your taking everything else out of context with the scans I already proved wrong. The scans I post show that the process didn't begin yet, which Sasuke questioned.

 

[VongolaX]

Varia I dont know where you are going with this. If you claiming that Izanagi needs to work with only one snap shot, then I don't know where to even try to bother discussion. Your taking everything else out of context with the scans I already proved wrong. The scans I post show that the process didn't begin yet, which Sasuke questioned.

:|

You take one simple snap shot, use your ocular powers to copy the snap shot (inzanami) and repeat the copy in different

Scenario's and each loop will mirror the former.

^^you have to remember that it's still a genjustu that affects you regardless of your concealed vision.

The loop is just a trap

 

[Brother Numpsay]

:|

You take one simple snap shot, use your ocular powers to copy the snap shot (inzanami) and repeat the copy in different

Scenario's and each loop will mirror the former.

^^you have to remember that it's still a genjustu that affects you regardless of your concealed vision.

The loop is just a trap

Kabuto had to follow step 2 in order for it to be complete, which he did in 586

 

[VongolaX]

Sasuke asked when did itachi used inzanami after the battle, so how will Sasuke be aware of the circumstances to tell itachi to hurry up and use inzanami.

It's a sensational feeling, Sasuke was just as confused as kabuto was...

 

[KGB Kakuzu]

Chapter 588 page 3

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The 3 times he got hit is what I'm referring to...

The scan that shows him getting bisected by the torso <----if that wasn't inzanami, itachi wouldn't of gather enough chakra for tsukyomi.

Itachi has never been seen needing to gather a significant amount of time to prep Tsukiyomi. It happened easily with a closing and opening of eyes against Kakashi. He used it almost instantly against Bee (mid-fight).

Being bisected wouldn't change anything. Getting damaged as an Edo has never indicated a loss of chakra gathering. We also have no indication that Izanami is a huge chakra cost. And as an Edo Tensei, he can constantly use his maximum potential of chakra meaning even if it did take a lot, he could use it and Tsukiyomi immediately.

I can agree with this, and it doesn't even refute my point or Itachi's words. You know why?




^That right there. My original post was only to debunk the idea he needs to make contact a second time; which his explanation proves (I agree it may need further explanation by Kishi, but until then, the evidence is against his needing contact) that's not the case. Do I think he could activate it instantly? Probably not. He probably has to wait a while. Do I believe he needs contact to recreate it? No. Your post centers around the idea that time passed (which I can agree with).

All in all, there's nothing to argue here. We are more or less in agreement. Your explanation still applies; meaning there's no reason to deny Itachi's words that A' is created solely through ocular powers.

Still, if he can activate it at anytime, then why would he stand there in front of Kabuto and fight as opposed to simply falling back, and returning to activate it? There's no need for Itachi to play close with Kabuto which is EXTREMELY risky when he can sit in Susanoo and if Sound Genjutsu is used, just cooperate with Sasuke to keep safe.

I agree that both options are applicable; however, from what we saw, and based on everything said, I would say physical contact was needed for A'. That's what my point was about. In my opinion, until Kishi notes that Itachi can create it just by Ocular Dojutsu, I would say Physical contact exists as the more general answer of the two.

But as you noted... Pretty much at this point it stands as a difference of opinion.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Sasuke asked when did itachi used inzanami after the battle, so how will Sasuke be aware of the circumstances to tell itachi to hurry up and use inzanami.

It's a sensational feeling, Sasuke was just as confused as kabuto was...

Sasuke ask when did he start it not finish

 

[VongolaX]

Kabuto had to follow step 2 in order for it to be complete, which he did in 586

Ya, step 2 is using your ocular power: like nameless posted with the viz translation

Ocular power is genjustu, while the loop that overlaps it starts from the beginning which was when it was first release the genjustu.

Chapter 581

In a nutshell

I'm basically posting after itachi was stabbed and turned into a crow....the rest was a genjustu till the loop

 

[VongolaX]

Sasuke ask when did he start it not finish

Exactly what I'm saying

He asked when did he use it, so how would he know if inzanami was ready yet <--- going to start