I think kishi Hyped Hashirama the more

[Naijakid]

Hashirama defeated a 100% kyuubi + a more stronger ps

While a 50% kyuubi + a fodder ps defeated juubito.....which led me to believe that Hashirama>juubito

 

[SanjiNL]

Keep dreaming.

 

[LitAquarius]

#PlotNoJutsu.

 

[Everztar]

u don't get it do you? =p

let's say Madara in the Yin... which had a pet fox... THAT'S the 50%

Naruto + Sasuke is the Yin and Yang with a brute force of power... that's the 100%
their power combined is the ultimate weapon... and Madara didn't have no Sage Mode :3

u got it all wrong duuuuuude

A jinchuuriki will always be stronger than someone using the Bijuu as a summoning jutsu.
remember that.

 

[lawagbemava]

obviously this is just rubbish
jubbito is strong than hashirama

 

[Kingu]

I don't think Juubito got defeated by that one hit.

 

[Blunt]

Hashirama defeated a 100% kyuubi + a more stronger ps

While a 50% kyuubi + a fodder ps defeated juubito.....which led me to believe that Hashirama>juubito

A bijuu without a jin is weaker compared to a bijuu with a jin, you would know this had you actually payed attention. I don't want to be rude, but such statements should have been backed before the thought of posting this statement.

Obito is the most powerful character in the series, aside from the obvious, Sage of Six Paths. He has been dealing with top-tier characters for hours in the Narutoverse. Before becoming the Juubi's host, he was top three or arguably two, it is debatable.

Pre-Jin
- Naruto, Bee, Kakashi and Gai. Gai and Kakashi would obviously be Kyuubi cloaked and replenished often. (He also used a lot of chakra to control Gedo Mazo/Bijuus).

Post-Jin
-Sasuke, Tobirama, Minato, Hiruzen and Naruto.

If you think Hashirama can handle any of the groups above, than you are obviously biased.

EDIT: Just adding my other post to this.

Going off of common sense alone, BM Naruto is quite a bit more powerful than Kurama without a jin. Though we can also factor in, facts.

• Kurama has zero speed feats outside of a jin, he is to big.
• Naruto and Kurama are two minds, therefore they can actually formulate a strategy together. Madara just controlled the Kyuubi without any interaction as such.
• Going off of TBB feats as well, BM Naruto is comparable to Kurama at 100% with this technique.
• Naruto has Shunsin which he implements with BM/KCM.
• Nine tails is a giant target, unable to avoid the majority of the attacks fired at him.
• The cloak withstood a blow from Juubi's TBB, so don't compare durability.
• Nine tails can no longer be tamed by Hashirama because he is within Naruto.

Just because the Kyuubi has more firepower, doesn't say it has the means to defeat a Bijuu with a human controlling it or befriending it.

 

[Troyg39]

I think these people are knocking you with out any solid reasoning to back it up. They keep saying "a bijuu without a jin is weaker" as if the fact that the kurama only having half of his strength doesn't even matter.

A jin with only the bijuu's yang is not going to be as strong as a full powered yin and yang bijuu.

And Madara's PS has been shown to be as big as a mountain ON IT'S OWN, without having to engulf a tailed beast.

Throw in the fact that Naruto did have SM, that probably makes Naruto/Sasuke about equal but that's about it.

Now add the fact that Hashirama took on Madara's version of the technique and he also has SM, I really don't see why any of you feel like Hashi>Juubito is such a stretch. It's simple, Hashi's wood statue was done while Hashi was in SM. If that thing tanked Madara's PS+the real Kurama, it would give Juubito problems, who is weak against senjutsu

 

[KidGamer65]

A bijuu without a jin is weaker compared to a bijuu with a jin, you would know this had you actually payed attention. I don't want to be rude, but such statements should have been backed before the thought of posting this statement.

Obito is the most powerful character in the series, aside from the obvious, Sage of Six Paths. He has been dealing with top-tier characters for hours in the Narutoverse. Before becoming the Juubi's host, he was top three or arguably two, it is debatable.

Pre-Jin
-Naruto, Bee, Kakashi and Gai. (He also used a lot of chakra to control Gedo Mazo/Bijuus).

Post-Jin
-Sasuke, Tobirama, Minato, Hiruzen and Naruto.

If you think Hashirama can handle any of the groups above, than you are obviously biased.

What's funny is Obito didn't even handle the first group, he was losing until Madara showed up.

-They found out Kamui.
-He was failing to warp them the whole match.
-Gedo Mazo was getting beat around
-The Bijuu were taken out.

If Madara hadn't showed up Obito would be a dead man, and that was just Kakashi, KM Naruto, Killer B, and Gai. A group that Hashirama would handily take down.

Obito didn't even handle Naruto and Sasuke when they both went full power (Though he was restricted due to having to prep IT, meaning no Juubi) as seen in the manga. Your comparison is flawed.

 

[Oblivionx]

A bijuu without a jin is weaker compared to a bijuu with a jin, you would know this had you actually payed attention. I don't want to be rude, but such statements should have been backed before the thought of posting this statement.

Obito is the most powerful character in the series, aside from the obvious, Sage of Six Paths. He has been dealing with top-tier characters for hours in the Narutoverse. Before becoming the Juubi's host, he was top three or arguably two, it is debatable.

Pre-Jin
- Naruto, Bee, Kakashi and Gai. Gai and Kakashi would obviously be Kyuubi cloaked and replenished often. (He also used a lot of chakra to control Gedo Mazo/Bijuus).

Post-Jin
-Sasuke, Tobirama, Minato, Hiruzen and Naruto.

If you think Hashirama can handle any of the groups above, than you are obviously biased.

thread raper....! aren't ya...!

 

[Gdamon]

maybe Hashirama can, I mean he does have sage mode...

 

[Naijakid]

A bijuu without a jin is weaker compared to a bijuu with a jin, you would know this had you actually payed attention. I don't want to be rude, but such statements should have been backed before the thought of posting this statement.

Obito is the most powerful character in the series, aside from the obvious, Sage of Six Paths. He has been dealing with top-tier characters for hours in the Narutoverse. Before becoming the Juubi's host, he was top three or arguably two, it is debatable.

Pre-Jin
- Naruto, Bee, Kakashi and Gai. Gai and Kakashi would obviously be Kyuubi cloaked and replenished often. (He also used a lot of chakra to control Gedo Mazo/Bijuus).

Post-Jin
-Sasuke, Tobirama, Minato, Hiruzen and Naruto.

If you think Hashirama can handle any of the groups above, than you are obviously biased.

Lmao....Hashirama stomps the Akatsuki

 

[Oblivionx]

If Madara hadn't showed up Obito would be a dead man, and that was just Kakashi, KM Naruto, Killer B, and Gai. A group that Hashirama would handily take down.

XD man ya are funny...! :snick:

 

[Bronze]

I think these people are knocking you with out any solid reasoning to back it up. They keep saying "a bijuu without a jin is weaker" as if the fact that the kurama only having half of his strength doesn't even matter.

A jin with only the bijuu's yang is not going to be as strong as a full powered yin and yang bijuu.

And Madara's PS has been shown to be as big as a mountain ON IT'S OWN, without having to engulf a tailed beast.

Throw in the fact that Naruto did have SM, that probably makes Naruto/Sasuke about equal but that's about it.

Now add the fact that Hashirama took on Madara's version of the technique and he also has SM, I really don't see why any of you feel like Hashi>Juubito is such a stretch. It's simple, Hashi's wood statue was done while Hashi was in SM. If that thing tanked Madara's PS+the real Kurama, it would give Juubito problems, who is weak against senjutsu

This destroys the shitsuusenju:

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If Madara hadn't showed up Obito would be a dead man, and that was just Kakashi, KM Naruto, Killer B, and Gai. A group that Hashirama would handily take down.

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OT: OP is obvious troll and fanboy. Obito stomps Hashi like a fodder with absolute low diff.

 

[RikudouMadara]

I'd have to disagree....Hashirama is no doubt a powerhouse, but...

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Also this was Obito before Sennin Mode....just saying....

 

[Gdamon]

What's funny is Obito didn't even handle the first group, he was losing until Madara showed up.

-They found out Kamui.
-He was failing to warp them the whole match.
-Gedo Mazo was getting beat around
-The Bijuu were taken out.

If Madara hadn't showed up Obito would be a dead man, and that was just Kakashi, KM Naruto, Killer B, and Gai. A group that Hashirama would handily take down.

Obito didn't even handle Naruto and Sasuke when they both went full power (Though he was restricted due to having to prep IT, meaning no Juubi) as seen in the manga. Your comparison is flawed.

you could look at it that way, but they couldn't land one blow for about 30 or more chapters...

and even after they broke his mask he used a fire technique on the same level as Madara...

 

[Blunt]

I think these people are knocking you with out any solid reasoning to back it up. They keep saying "a bijuu without a jin is weaker" as if the fact that the kurama only having half of his strength doesn't even matter.

A jin with only the bijuu's yang is not going to be as strong as a full powered yin and yang bijuu.

Going off of common sense alone, BM Naruto is quite a bit more powerful than Kurama without a jin. Though we can also factor in, facts.

• Kurama has zero speed feats outside of a jin, he is to big.
• Naruto and Kurama are two minds, therefore they can actually formulate a strategy together. Madara just controlled the Kyuubi without any interaction as such.
• Going off of TBB feats as well, BM Naruto is comparable to Kurama at 100% with this technique.
• Naruto has Shunsin which he implements with BM/KCM.
• Nine tails is a giant target, unable to avoid the majority of the attacks fired at him.
• The cloak withstood a blow from Juubi's TBB, so don't compare durability.
• Nine tails can no longer be tamed by Hashirama because he is within Naruto.

Just because the Kyuubi has more firepower, doesn't say it has the means to defeat a Bijuu with a human controlling it or befriending it.

 

[Sunagura]

Jubito feats aren't impresive.

 

[KidGamer65]

XD man ya are funny...! :snick:

I hope you don't think B, KM Naruto, Kakashi and Gai are beating Hashirama. :|

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I hope you don't think B, KM Naruto, Kakashi and Gai are beating Hashirama. :|

you could look at it that way, but they couldn't land one blow for about 30 or more chapters...

and even after they broke his mask he used a fire technique on the same level as Madara...

Until they figured out his weakness, then they hit him and Madara came. The only reason they didn't hit him is cause they didn't know his weakness.

Yeah, a fire technique that Naruto easily tanked.

 

[Naijakid]

You guys are saying BM Naruto>>100% kyuubi???