[Theory] More evidence. Rikudo really did "create" the world.

[valandil988]

^^ Title says it all.

In the past the Sage used Creation of all things to alter the world, to make his fantasy a reality, his dream for peace is a form of super Izanami where by the way to escape the jutsu that the sage cast is to achieve peace thats why two people keep rising from both the Senju and the Uchiha clan to do battle.

That's why these weird rivalry's keep cropping up. Reality seems to keep repeating itself doesn't it? Its not only just because Kishi likes these themes its because the entire Naruto verse is in a pseudo version of Izanami that keeps repeating itself.

In a way the sage didn't want to impose his will on the world like Obito (Who wanted to create a fully "new" world) wanted to do so. So he did the next best thing he forced the world to eventually reach a peaceful resolution, He knew that sometime in the distant future peace would be reached in some way. The sage might not have had foresight at all, he just made it so that eventually peace would be inevitable. He also could assume that the tailed beasts would play a vital part in that peace, and naturally it had to be a "peaceful" union not a union of slavery which Obito wanted to propagate, that likely was another requirement of break the Izanami jutsu.

So in a way the Sage did because the true sole savior of the Naruto world because he "guided" the way to peace. Its also why the Sage felt so content to die instead of becoming immortal which I might add, would have been well within his level of power.

Is it funny that Itachi used a sword to initiate Izanami on Kabuto? Maybe the Sage used that weird helix spirit sword thing to do that same.

 

[copyninKakashi]

I dislike this DNA sword

 

[valandil988]

I dislike this DNA sword

^^ lol yeah I was thinking, wut you create that sword kishi just to break it into tiny bits lol.

 

[Gerkak]

nice theory

 

[Namar]

So what you are saying is that SO6P is still alive, and by using Izanami in this Inzanamied world will just break the jutsu. And the troll Rikoudu will come out saying congrats after 600 years of country playing you finally got out.

Only the first part of your theory really works and that's the posibility that they are in izanami by the moon.

Now, a major plot hole and really stupid thing is the fact that they have dead people amongst them who saw things outside this realm => they know pretty much everything but Kishi did not use that : ) ) )

The only way things could go like you are saying is if rikoudo with his power added someone outside the izanami field inside it, one who lives in a dream world but it's not affected. Maybe Madara is the one because he has the plan to use izanami on the moon. And he also started the War which lead to unity

 

[valandil988]

So what you are saying is that SO6P is still alive, and by using Izanami in this Inzanamied world will just break the jutsu. And the troll Rikoudu will come out saying congrats after 600 years of country playing you finally got out.

Only the first part of your theory really works and that's the posibility that they are in izanami by the moon.

Now, a major plot hole and really stupid thing is the fact that they have dead people amongst them who saw things outside this realm => they know pretty much everything but Kishi did not use that : ) ) )

The only way things could go like you are saying is if rikoudo with his power added someone outside the izanami field inside it, one who lives in a dream world but it's not affected. Maybe Madara is the one because he has the plan to use izanami on the moon. And he also started the War which lead to unity

Didnt say that, the Rikudo made his Izanami perpetual so that it could continue working long after his death, in a way the world is forced to conform to peace because there is no other path forward. Its also why everyone is obsessed with peace lol.

Nobody is outside the "field" as you call it. Everyone us caught in it even dead people as they are still a part of the Naruto verse. And its not a field reality has been altered by the Rikudo's jutsu. The world simply conforms to his designs now.

When Nagato felt like the book Jiraiya wrote and then Naruto presented to him was the work of a true god....He was unknowingly referencing the Rikudo lol not Kishi.

 

[Transcendence]

Incorrect. He can't create something that was already there before he was born. Obito was referring to the Shinobi world.

 

[valandil988]

Incorrect. He can't create something that was already there before he was born. Obito was referring to the Shinobi world.

*Sarcastically claps slowly* well damn never imagined someone could be so obtuse as to point that out. I put "create" in inverted commas simple because I was implying that. You also didn't comment on anything else I wrote in my post if you aren't going to join the discussion and only point out one thing then don't post.

 

[awesomeseimei]

That sounds so interesting, too bad Kishi will probably make everything simpler :|

I've had similar thoughts, too, with Obito initiating Infinite Tsukuyomi only to awaken and find himself in the actual real world, heh.

 

[Equalist]

*Sarcastically claps slowly* well damn never imagined someone could be so obtuse as to point that out. I put "create" in inverted commas simple because I was implying that. You also didn't comment on anything else I wrote in my post if you aren't going to join the discussion and only point out one thing then don't post.

I negged you for being rude when Transcendence gave you no reason for that kind of behavior. I've also reported you. Transcedence debunked your theory in less than a paragraph and pretty much ended this discussion to which you respond with a bitc# fit. You said he didn't comment on anything you wrote when he in fact did. "He [Sage] can't create something that was already there." That was it you dumbass. Your entire theory flies out the window. Any point you had to make left you like your father did when he turned to the bottle. Now get the FCK off my thread.

 

[UltimateDeadpool]

It's unknown exactly how the world was created or what created the Shinji, but it was the Shinji that shaped the world and created life.

 

[BlacLord™]

Rivalry is perfectly normal.

The world existed before Hagoromo.

He meant it figuratively.

/thread.

 

[Mr Hiru]

^^ Title says it all.

In the past the Sage used Creation of all things to alter the world, to make his fantasy a reality, his dream for peace is a form of super Izanami where by the way to escape the jutsu that the sage cast is to achieve peace thats why two people keep rising from both the Senju and the Uchiha clan to do battle.

That's why these weird rivalry's keep cropping up. Reality seems to keep repeating itself doesn't it? Its not only just because Kishi likes these themes its because the entire Naruto verse is in a pseudo version of Izanami that keeps repeating itself.

In a way the sage didn't want to impose his will on the world like Obito (Who wanted to create a fully "new" world) wanted to do so. So he did the next best thing he forced the world to eventually reach a peaceful resolution, He knew that sometime in the distant future peace would be reached in some way. The sage might not have had foresight at all, he just made it so that eventually peace would be inevitable. He also could assume that the tailed beasts would play a vital part in that peace, and naturally it had to be a "peaceful" union not a union of slavery which Obito wanted to propagate, that likely was another requirement of break the Izanami jutsu.

So in a way the Sage did because the true sole savior of the Naruto world because he "guided" the way to peace. Its also why the Sage felt so content to die instead of becoming immortal which I might add, would have been well within his level of power.

Is it funny that Itachi used a sword to initiate Izanami on Kabuto? Maybe the Sage used that weird helix spirit sword thing to do that same.

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[Equalist]

Wait so OP just ripped off Hirudora's theory? Did this nigga actually steal a theory on an internet forum? Oh you get negged for that OP.

 

[valandil988]

Rivalry is perfectly normal.

The world existed before Hagoromo.

He meant it figuratively.

/thread.

Oh wow another person stating the obvious in a sanctimonious way. You didn't address anything stated in the post you just said I never stated the Sage created as in god created the world in seven days. Are you all so obtuse that you can't see I was talking about it in metaphor. I meant that the sage "created" or influenced the world in a big way we see today using an advanced technique.

 

[Meowazziel]

^^ Title says it all.

In the past the Sage used Creation of all things to alter the world, to make his fantasy a reality, his dream for peace is a form of super Izanami where by the way to escape the jutsu that the sage cast is to achieve peace thats why two people keep rising from both the Senju and the Uchiha clan to do battle.

That's why these weird rivalry's keep cropping up. Reality seems to keep repeating itself doesn't it? Its not only just because Kishi likes these themes its because the entire Naruto verse is in a pseudo version of Izanami that keeps repeating itself.

In a way the sage didn't want to impose his will on the world like Obito (Who wanted to create a fully "new" world) wanted to do so. So he did the next best thing he forced the world to eventually reach a peaceful resolution, He knew that sometime in the distant future peace would be reached in some way. The sage might not have had foresight at all, he just made it so that eventually peace would be inevitable. He also could assume that the tailed beasts would play a vital part in that peace, and naturally it had to be a "peaceful" union not a union of slavery which Obito wanted to propagate, that likely was another requirement of break the Izanami jutsu.

So in a way the Sage did because the true sole savior of the Naruto world because he "guided" the way to peace. Its also why the Sage felt so content to die instead of becoming immortal which I might add, would have been well within his level of power.

Is it funny that Itachi used a sword to initiate Izanami on Kabuto? Maybe the Sage used that weird helix spirit sword thing to do that same.

So he casted Izanami on people who had not been born? Or it is being continuesly casted from the moon or by some other means? Or he can cast it on the world and everyone who will be born later, will be inside it?
Maybe it is casted on anyone who is born with chakra or a type of chakra.

Anyway, I like the theory. One of the better ones I have seen on this base.
I would like this to become true.
Thanks and rep for you.

 

[valandil988]

So he casted Izanami on people who had not been born? Or it is being continuesly casted from the moon or by some other means? Or he can cast it on the world and everyone who will be born later, will be inside it?
Maybe it is casted on anyone who is born with chakra or a type of chakra.

Anyway, I like the theory. One of the better ones I have seen on this base.
I would like this to become true.
Thanks and rep for you.

Thanks :3

Yeah I can't really guess on the mechanics of how the sage did this, but I'm thinking that the Sage used the same plan that Obito was planning to use but instead of using creation of all things to remake the world he just modded it :3 so that certain events would keep occurring until a true resolution could be met. Its also why the Sage set up the first rivalry between the elder and the younger son, it was all in his plan for peace.

 

[Equalist]

Thanks :3

Yeah I can't really guess on the mechanics of how the sage did this, but I'm thinking that the Sage used the same plan that Obito was planning to use but instead of using creation of all things to remake the world he just modded it :3 so that certain events would keep occurring until a true resolution could be met. Its also why the Sage set up the first rivalry between the elder and the younger son, it was all in his plan for peace.

Except the elder didn't set up the rivalry between his sons. :| We were already told that the older brother was jealous of the younger one. This started the fued you dumb son of a b!tch. Obito explained that more than 100 chapters ago.