[VS] Sasori Vs. Itachi

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Location:
Valley of the End

Starting Distance:
75 meters

Restrictions:
Yata no Kagami, Totsuka no Tsurugi

Intentions:
Mutilation

Intelligence:
Manga

Conditions:
Sasori starts the battle in Hiruko
 

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Itachi wins mid difficulty at best. Since Sasori can't even harm a V2 Susanoo let alone anything higher, all the former needs to do is mow through his offense and defense with Susanoo and end it by crushing him and his puppets.
 

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You're expecting me to post some long ass argument, aren't ya? I'm not doing it this time. Debates against Itachi are too long and annoying. u-u

OT: Sasori wins.
 

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Itachi takes this he can abuse his yasaka magatema in V1.
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Itachi wins mid difficulty at best. Since Sasori can't even harm a V2 Susanoo let alone anything higher, all the former needs to do is mow through his offense and defense with Susanoo and end it by crushing him and his puppets.

It would be a stamina game, Sasori would have a hard time downing V2 Susano'o, but how long can alive Itachi sustain Sasano'o before his reserves deteriorate..?

You're expecting me to post some long ass argument, aren't ya? I'm not doing it this time. Debates against Itachi are too long and annoying. u-u

OT: Sasori wins.

I think Sasori takes this as well.

Itachi takes this he can abuse his yasaka magatema in V1.

Sasori can switch body's at the last moment. Yasaka Magatama would just drain Itachi's reserves.
 

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Itachi takes this. Sasori is one of my favorites but he doesnt stand a chance in hiruko, he is better off with kazekage already out but he would still lose in that scenario.
 

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It would be a stamina game, Sasori would have a hard time downing V2 Susano'o, but how long can alive Itachi sustain Sasano'o before his reserves deteriorate..?

It wouldn't be a stamina battle, cause Itachi can break through Sasori's defenses and finish him off once he does so. Sasori can't even get through Itachi's defenses. Stamina won't come in play here as Itachi has the tools to end Sasori before he collapses.
 

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No matter the match, everyone member argues genjutsu. Itachi match-ups are useless unless that is restricted
 

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No matter the match, everyone member argues genjutsu. Itachi match-ups are useless unless that is restricted

Sasori is a Puppet so why would we need to restrict Genjutsu here? It doesn't work on him.
 

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Itachi takes this with ease... He see chakra in Sasori heart thingy and easily burn it with Amaterasu... His Susanoo would crush all of Hiruko's weapons with ease Magatama's or Amaterasu would wreck Sasori's main body...
 

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Sasori is a Puppet so why would we need to restrict Genjutsu here? It doesn't work on him.

That's generally speaking.

Regardless, i have seen members argue that genjutsu would on Sasori. Somehow it is thought that heart has somecorrelation to his brain, in order for him to memorize jutsu or general affairs.
 

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That's generally speaking.

Regardless, i have seen members argue that genjutsu would on Sasori. Somehow it is thought that heart has somecorrelation to his brain, in order for him to memorize jutsu or general affairs.

Nope. Sasori said that he only has a heart:

Immunity to Genjutsu

In all honesty, I fail to see how this is still being debated, but I've seen people claim that Sasori is not immune to Genjutsu despite the fact that he is a Human Puppet. [ ][ ] From Jiraiya's explanation [ ] we know that the Genjutsu works by targeting the opponent's head and messes up their senses. It basically causes you to hear, sense, see and maybe even taste what the caster of the Genjutsu wishes you to. However, sadly for Genjutsu users, Sasori is a Puppet who lacks a brain and only has a heart as stated by the man himself.

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Let me explain a bit more. In Naruto, thoughts and those stuff seem to be part of your "Mental Energy". If you read the Databook article for Mind Body Transfer, you would see that Yamanaka force all of their Mental Energy into the other person, thus their body drops unconcious. If you realise, Ino can now think in the other persons body? Sasori can still think, because he HAS a piece of flesh, which contains both Physical Energy + Mental Energy. Both needed to create Chakra. In your entire body there is Physical Energy and Spiritual/Mental energy, and when you merge the both, you make Chakra. [ ] Yamanaka force their entire Mental Energy into other people which inturn sends their Mind as well, then their body just falls, in the other body, they maintain their ability to think, their entire MIND has been passed over and that shows that the mental energy part of your body is where your mind is in Naruto.

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With that said skin and all human organs have sense receptors so by having that little piece of human remains atleast one sense can be manipulated. However Genjutsu doesn't just affect senses. It affects Chakra in the cranial nerves to be EXACT. It is the cranial nerves in the brain that controls most the senses.

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For eg the Olfactory controls your sense of smell. <-- A sense that sasori has no longer. A Genjutsu user controls those cranial nerves, and could make you do what he wished. If he wanted you to see Red clouds and a Red moon, He would target the Optic nerves in the interbrain to make you see Red clouds and a Red moon.

Kishi however didn't explain everything to well, and sasori has found a way to maintain
1) sight,
2) Sound

Those are just about the only almost unexplainable things, but it simply has to do with the fact that it's a fiction story. Where someone can make themselves into a puppet, and someone has blue skin and looks like a shark. We can't really make sense of any of it, but what is clear is how Genjtusu works. However, if people wish it could be explained how Sasori retained the ability to see and hear despite having only a heart.

Section two was written by a very intelligent member in which we don't have with us currently any longer; pay close attention to this part as I can conclude that it is the ideal changer.

To strengthen the possibility of Sasori being immune to Genjutsu I have to bring out a few scenario's similar to the premise:

When Orochimaru absorbed his Chakra from Kabuto, he obtained memories and information from him.

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When Itachi prodded Sasuke he forced information - Amaterasu - into Sasuke, the fact he had Itachi's MS style shows his influence.

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Just confirms that in the NV that Chakra can contain information, that a heart as the source of Chakra can be seen as Sasori's 'brain'



In reality, it shouldn't even be debatable since Sasori himself already stated that he only has a heart and no brain, and not to mention that the Databook itself stated that Sasori can no longer be conisdered Human. [ ]


A special thanks to Kaaant and Owarij for some of these points.
 

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That's generally speaking.

Regardless, i have seen members argue that genjutsu would on Sasori. Somehow it is thought that heart has somecorrelation to his brain, in order for him to memorize jutsu or general affairs.

Sasori's only human body part is his brain.

If what you're saying is true, then how to Edo Tensei'd people still have their memories..?:cool:
 

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Why would you restrict Itachi's moves? Itachi's only hope it to finish it offensive-wise and successfully blocking were those two weapons.

Sasori takes this. Itachi can potentially can caught by Hiruko

Itachi attempt for Tsu will be a waste and result wasting chakra and strain [ ]

And When Ammy and Sussanoo is out:

The 3rd KazeKage Is the Way

This is where the real battle begins MS vs the 3rd Kazekage's power. At this point Sasuke has no choice but to use Sussanoo in this situation. Sasori being vigilant, and also after seeing how MS powers destroyed Hiruko, he would be prepared to counter.

Alot of people want to say Iron Sand is slow to gather up. That's not entirely true due to this scan:
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"It is possible to use the repellent properites of magnetism..." The context was talking about Sand Drizzle but, that doesn't means the context can apply to any other shape of Iron Sand. Since Drizzle seem to Shape as bullets instantly (From page 10 to 11)[ ][ ]. (Some want to argue that the way the 3rd's Sand sets out from his body and form is slow. Not true, if you notice that in the manga when a new jutsu is introduce it took its time to explain the jutsu force before it is use. A good example would be Kakuzu jutsu being introduce first and then his mask were release faster in Edo form. Thats because it is unimportant to explain it anymore.)

Since this scan says Iron Sand Shape can be used beyond the users imagination:
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(Basically shaping it fast is not the problem especially when Sasori will be vigilant in this match up)

This said Sasori has many methods to defend against the MS ( ):

Defensive:

Enton/Amaterasu:

Sussanoo Arrow:
--Option B: Move to aerial combat with Sand platform. Reason? Lets take a look at Danzo's situation.
[ ]<-- In this scan we see Danzo escape the transformation of Sussanoo. By jumping off he used Wind Release to try and glide back to a safe area. The last panel shows Sussanoo attempting to find the "right moment",aiming precisely, to fire against Danzo. Sussanoo release it's attack as soon as Danzo . This proving that a moving target on air is harder to catch then a moving target on .

Offensive


Option A:
Using the Magnetic Force To Block Sussanoo Attack Methods:
As we should know in the Manga, Satetsu is not suppose to be blocked, your suppose to dodge it.[ ]Because this jutsu is highly advance it is well known to even other village on how dangerous this jutsu is[ ][ ]. Shooting Iron Sand against Sussanoo's Arms will do the trick as the manga applied. Once Iron is stick to it's hands, will result of a Tug of War between the magnetic force holding down finger/hand movement while the entity is fighting for free hand movements. Struggling = No weapon for entity to use to fight back.

--Option B:
Using Iron Sand To Attack From Ground-Up:The old stages are Sussanoo is still vulnerable from the ground-up[ ]. Making Iron Sand root up from the ground makes the attack internal, due to its blind spot under ground that leaves it open.

----Option C:
Using Magnetic Power Of Attraction: Due to the power of the 3rd Kazekage, all metallic objects are useless against Sasori. Having them in the field at the end of the day, can be used against you.[ ] With this said, Sasori can use this option to surprise Sasuke. First Sasori needs to hold down the entity, Sussano[ ]<--First Panel. (But of course will be better to use Iron Sand because:
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). If Sasuke is not using his Sword of Kusanagi, then the next option is to use the Magnetic Power to Attract it towards him. Sasuke, leaving it in his back will be pushed out with the sword, due to the sword having the weight to do that by default. Much like how Pein uses his power to attract opponents[ ] The method here is to do it quickly, in one shot, before Sasuke sees it coming and removes his sword.

P.S. People might come here and explain how is that even possible and I just want to say, the sword sheath of not, it doesn't block magnetic attraction.

-Read this source at least:
-If you want to learn while entertaining yourself: Watch Breaking Bad Season 5, Episode 1. Magnets are involved in this episode. And you would get what I am saying in Option C.

--------Option D:
Waiting For Sussanoo To Expire:I already added the flaw of MS. Sasori can simply outlast the strain from MS moves. Eventually Sasuke needs to take a break to maintain like he has done twice so far vs Danzo and The battle is pretty much over from there. Sasori can either . Sasuke in this position can try his best to dodge but at the end of the day, in his position, he would at least get . Or he can:
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To end it.

At the end of the day I won't argue that Iron Sand has displayed its destructive force to damage Sussanoo, but instead show other methods to work around beating the user even with it.
 
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