Naruto and sasuke now

[Wolfus]

I personally think PS > all forms of Bijuus except Juubi

Kurama>all other bijuus as well. We can't be that sure about PS.

 

[Transcendence]

Thoughts on this? -> 100 % BSM Naruto >= PS Enton Susano'o?

But they still need to surpass Prime Madara (with Kurama) and SM Hashirama

So.... Rinnegan BSM Naruto = PS Enton Susano'o (New Enton techniques, possibly a Tsunami type attack) + Time Manipulation EMS technique (However, due to Naruto's chakra reserves, he would win the fight. However, with these powers, they surpass their predecessors as the combined powers of a Jinchuriki and a Rinnegan would beat Hashirama and Madara isn't touching Sasuke even with Kurama, who is lit on fire by multiple Enton techniques and or stalled with the time manipulation technique)

 

[Wolfus]

Yo dude. Nice thread. I agree with you on some parts, besides the ones listed above. I believe that Sasuke will not have "senjutsu" after this battle with Jubito. This is a borrowed power from Jugo, and the only reason why he can handle it easily is because he use to have CM. This is how I believe the Naruto series will play out between Naruto and Sasuke.

Naruto--------Sasuke
Initial Form--------CM1 3T
KC V1--------CM2 3T
KC V2--------MS
SM--------MS FS
KCM--------EMS
BM(50%)--------EMS S
SM + BM--------EMS FS
BM(100%)--------PS
​

CM - Curse Mark
3T - 3 Tomtoe
FS - Full Susanoo
KC - Kyuubi Chakra

-The reason why this list is so accurate is because it follows a chronological pattern. Each "power up" is written down as the manga progressed.
-This list does contain some flaws;
1) We haven't seen Sasuke's true powers with his EMS FS
2) We haven't seen Sasuke's ability to produce PS (chapter 650 kinda confirmed it, but its better to wait till next week instead of jumping to conclusions)
3) We haven't seen Naruto's full Bijuu Mode with Yin and Yang.
4) Bijuu mode (100%) should be Naruto's strongest form, equal to that of PS. However, Naruto has demonstrated the ability to use Sage Mode while in Bijuu mode, however, hes only shown us him using this with 50% of Kurama. When he uses 100% Kurama, the amount of power is will increase as well as how fast he can enter sage mode.

Thanks for reading.

Hey, soI'm here to disprove some things you said. BM(50%) is nto equal to EMS with regular susanoo. The regular susanoo doesn't have the power to tank bijuu damas(in kurama's TBB lvl) nor the destructive power. Even the final susanoo(w/o legs) can't handle it. The complete susanoo with legs is more powerful, but not enough to face a bijuu.
We've seen that with 50% of kurama's power, naruto BM can rival 5 bijuus at once.
This shows that naruto BM can rival with the strongest susanoo(PS).
BSM is even more powerful it's way beyond the other forms of susanoo.
I agree that sasuke has a lot to improve, but we can only work with what has been displayed. I believe that one day sasuke's PS can be equal to 100% kurama, but not now. I also believe that to match the 100% BSM, sasuke will equal his PS to 100% kurama and gain another power up(As I said in the thread), but for now, the relations I've displayed are more accurate.

 

[JUICEMON GENESIS]

Thoughts on this? -> 100 % BSM Naruto >= PS Enton Susano'o?

But they still need to surpass Prime Madara (with Kurama) and SM Hashirama

So.... Rinnegan BSM Naruto = PS Enton Susano'o (New Enton techniques, possibly a Tsunami type attack) + Time Manipulation EMS technique (However, due to Naruto's chakra reserves, he would win the fight. However, with these powers, they surpass their predecessors as the combined powers of a Jinchuriki and a Rinnegan would beat Hashirama and Madara isn't touching Sasuke even with Kurama, who is lit on fire by multiple Enton techniques and or stalled with the time manipulation technique)

Um... WHAT???

 

[Wolfus]

Thoughts on this? -> 100 % BSM Naruto >= PS Enton Susano'o?

But they still need to surpass Prime Madara (with Kurama) and SM Hashirama

So.... Rinnegan BSM Naruto = PS Enton Susano'o (New Enton techniques, possibly a Tsunami type attack) + Time Manipulation EMS technique (However, due to Naruto's chakra reserves, he would win the fight. However, with these powers, they surpass their predecessors as the combined powers of a Jinchuriki and a Rinnegan would beat Hashirama and Madara isn't touching Sasuke even with Kurama, who is lit on fire by multiple Enton techniques and or stalled with the time manipulation technique)

Agreed, but let's see if that will be their power ups. If it is the current sasuke PS, 100% BSM Naruto> sasuke PS enton, not by much, though. However, if sasuke's PS is displayed as equal to 100% BM in the future, 100% BSM Naruto= Sasuke Enton PS.
I think that it's likely that naruto might get the rinnegan, but I don't want that to happen, because I don't think it fits naruto too much. I'd also like sasuke to get the elder son eyes, putting his PS even more powerful(100% BM Naruto) and giving him a new ability to makle up for 100% BSM. Then, they'd fight for the juubi. Naruto wanting to save it, sasuke wanting to destroy it. I'd like that, but I can't say for sure. Sasuke enton PS seems likely as well.

 

[Transcendence]

Um... WHAT???

I meant in theory.

 

[Transcendence]

Agreed, but let's see if that will be their power ups. If it is the current sasuke PS, 100% BSM Naruto> sasuke PS enton, not by much, though. However, if sasuke's PS is displayed as equal to 100% BM in the future, 100% BSM Naruto= Sasuke Enton PS.
I think that it's likely that naruto might get the rinnegan, but I don't want that to happen, because I don't think it fits naruto too much. I'd also like sasuke to get the elder son eyes, putting his PS even more powerful(100% BM Naruto) and giving him a new ability to makle up for 100% BSM. Then, they'd fight for the juubi. Naruto wanting to save it, sasuke wanting to destroy it. I'd like that, but I can't say for sure. Sasuke enton PS seems likely as well.

I advocate it because of the obvious connections that the Bijuu's chakra have to the awakening of the Rinnegan and how Naruto has it. And Naruto was confirmed to be the reincarnation of Rikudou (in the Viz scan), who also had the Rinnegan. And, he would basically re-affirm himself as the true "Child of Prophecy" and or savior.

Minato (COP) was known for his speed; Naruto has speed

Nagato had the Rinnegan; Hypothetically speaking, Naruto is on his way to awakening it.

The only other savior? Rikudou; who had the Rinnegan.

Plus, with these powers, it would make the VoTE fight that Madara and Hashirama had look like child's play.

Sasuke: "Blaze Release: Sea of Black Flames!"

Naruto: "Shunshin..."

Naruto: "CHOU SHINRA TENSEI"

A crater larger than what Shinsenjuu made is formed, with Sasuke being completely fine within his Susano'o...

And so the battle continues.

I'm so writing a prediction for this, lol.

 

[Wolfus]

I advocate it because of the obvious connections that the Bijuu's chakra have to the awakening of the Rinnegan and how Naruto has it. And Naruto was confirmed to be the reincarnation of Rikudou (in the Viz scan), who also had the Rinnegan. And, he would basically re-affirm himself as the true "Child of Prophecy" and or savior.

Minato (COP) was known for his speed; Naruto has speed

Nagato had the Rinnegan; Hypothetically speaking, Naruto is on his way to awakening it.

The only other savior? Rikudou; who had the Rinnegan.

Plus, with these powers, it would make the VoTE fight that Madara and Hashirama had look like child's play.

Sasuke: "Blaze Release: Sea of Black Flames!"

Naruto: "Shunshin..."

Naruto: "CHOU SHINRA TENSEI"

A crater larger than what Shinsenjuu made is formed, with Sasuke being completely fine within his Susano'o...

And so the battle continues.

I'm so writing a prediction for this, lol.

I agree, but naruto would be more dbz'd than ever before. I just don't like naruto with a doujutsu, even the rinnegan. But I know it's likely to happen. But I really wish I could see sasuke with the elder son's eyes, I'd really like to see this power up. It would be something new.

 

[Transcendence]

I agree, but naruto would be more dbz'd than ever before. I just don't like naruto with a doujutsu, even the rinnegan. But I know it's likely to happen. But I really wish I could see sasuke with the elder son's eyes, I'd really like to see this power up. It would be something new.

It's extremely hard to enter DBZ territory. A 9 Tails (100%) SM enhances (BSM) Chou Shinra Tensei is nothing to DBZ, as that is accomplishes by a plethora of Ki Blasts, which are some of the weakest attacks in DBZ. Rinnegan would like nice on him because he would near identical to the Rikudou silhouette (with the Bijuu's chakra altering his appearance once more).

 

[iNotorious]

I advocate it because of the obvious connections that the Bijuu's chakra have to the awakening of the Rinnegan and how Naruto has it. And Naruto was confirmed to be the reincarnation of Rikudou (in the Viz scan), who also had the Rinnegan. And, he would basically re-affirm himself as the true "Child of Prophecy" and or savior.

Minato (COP) was known for his speed; Naruto has speed

Nagato had the Rinnegan; Hypothetically speaking, Naruto is on his way to awakening it.

The only other savior? Rikudou; who had the Rinnegan.

Plus, with these powers, it would make the VoTE fight that Madara and Hashirama had look like child's play.

Sasuke: "Blaze Release: Sea of Black Flames!"

Naruto: "Shunshin..."

Naruto: "CHOU SHINRA TENSEI"

A crater larger than what Shinsenjuu made is formed, with Sasuke being completely fine within his Susano'o...

And so the battle continues.

I'm so writing a prediction for this, lol.

Can you make a thread about this? But make it huge, i love reading your theories.

 

[iNotorious]

I advocate it because of the obvious connections that the Bijuu's chakra have to the awakening of the Rinnegan and how Naruto has it. And Naruto was confirmed to be the reincarnation of Rikudou (in the Viz scan), who also had the Rinnegan. And, he would basically re-affirm himself as the true "Child of Prophecy" and or savior.

Minato (COP) was known for his speed; Naruto has speed

Nagato had the Rinnegan; Hypothetically speaking, Naruto is on his way to awakening it.

The only other savior? Rikudou; who had the Rinnegan.

Plus, with these powers, it would make the VoTE fight that Madara and Hashirama had look like child's play.

Sasuke: "Blaze Release: Sea of Black Flames!"

Naruto: "Shunshin..."

Naruto: "CHOU SHINRA TENSEI"

A crater larger than what Shinsenjuu made is formed, with Sasuke being completely fine within his Susano'o...

And so the battle continues.

I'm so writing a prediction for this, lol.

Can you make a thread about this? But make it huge, i love reading your theories.

 

[Transcendence]

Can you make a thread about this? But make it huge, i love reading your theories.

Haha. I probably will on Thursday. I have a Calculus test tomorrow (But I'm getting a 95 so it's easy...) and I have Biology on Thursday, so I'm caught for time the next two days, but I should be able to do a lot on Thursday after school. Just remind me if you can. Send a VM everyday lasting until Thursday so I remember.

 

[iNotorious]

Haha. I probably will on Thursday. I have a Calculus test tomorrow (But I'm getting a 95 so it's easy...) and I have Biology on Thursday, so I'm caught for time the next two days, but I should be able to do a lot on Thursday after school. Just remind me if you can. Send a VM everyday lasting until Thursday so I remember.

Alright i will VM you this thursday after i watch that shippuden episode, i hope it's good and i hope you the best luck because i know it requires a lot of time and work to put that theory together.

 

[Transcendence]

Alright i will VM you this thursday after i watch that shippuden episode, i hope it's good and i hope you the best luck because i know it requires a lot of time and work to put that theory together.

Well I have most of the thoughts in my head already. I'll link the previous theory I made and then fill in some holes, that were already confirmed (Like PS for Sasuke and the Rinnegan originating from the Juubi in general). Then I'll get to the final power-predictions, the application of the techniques, and I'll preview their final arsenals (And I'll probably throw in a hypothetical prediction of them).

 

[Wolfus]

It's extremely hard to enter DBZ territory. A 9 Tails (100%) SM enhances (BSM) Chou Shinra Tensei is nothing to DBZ, as that is accomplishes by a plethora of Ki Blasts, which are some of the weakest attacks in DBZ. Rinnegan would like nice on him because he would near identical to the Rikudou silhouette (with the Bijuu's chakra altering his appearance once more).

Indeed, indeed;

 

[iNotorious]

Well I have most of the thoughts in my head already. I'll link the previous theory I made and then fill in some holes, that were already confirmed (Like PS for Sasuke and the Rinnegan originating from the Juubi in general). Then I'll get to the final power-predictions, the application of the techniques, and I'll preview their final arsenals (And I'll probably throw in a hypothetical prediction of them).

That sounded cool, i hope they get badasses power ups. I mean really, they have to surpass Hashirama and madara at the end of this series, i mean really. We already know that naruto and sasuke will have a final fight between both of them right? I want a fight with hax powers, i mean HAX.

 

[Transcendence]

That sounded cool, i hope they get badasses power ups. I mean really, they have to surpass Hashirama and madara at the end of this series, i mean really. We already know that naruto and sasuke will have a final fight between both of them right? I want a fight with hax powers, i mean HAX.

Haha, don't worry. I'll describe it well.

 

[ANiMUS]

Yo dude. Nice thread. I agree with you on some parts, besides the ones listed above. I believe that Sasuke will not have "senjutsu" after this battle with Jubito. This is a borrowed power from Jugo, and the only reason why he can handle it easily is because he use to have CM. This is how I believe the Naruto series will play out between Naruto and Sasuke.

Naruto--------Sasuke
Initial Form--------CM1 3T
KC V1--------CM2 3T
KC V2--------MS
SM--------MS FS
KCM--------EMS
BM(50%)--------EMS S
SM + BM--------EMS FS
BM(100%)--------PS
​

CM - Curse Mark
3T - 3 Tomtoe
FS - Full Susanoo
KC - Kyuubi Chakra

-The reason why this list is so accurate is because it follows a chronological pattern. Each "power up" is written down as the manga progressed.
-This list does contain some flaws;
1) We haven't seen Sasuke's true powers with his EMS FS
2) We haven't seen Sasuke's ability to produce PS (chapter 650 kinda confirmed it, but its better to wait till next week instead of jumping to conclusions)
3) We haven't seen Naruto's full Bijuu Mode with Yin and Yang.
4) Bijuu mode (100%) should be Naruto's strongest form, equal to that of PS. However, Naruto has demonstrated the ability to use Sage Mode while in Bijuu mode, however, hes only shown us him using this with 50% of Kurama. When he uses 100% Kurama, the amount of power is will increase as well as how fast he can enter sage mode.

Thanks for reading.

This ^^^ except SM+BM probably = FS w/Senjutsu

 

[iNotorious]

Haha, don't worry. I'll describe it well.

Alright good luck haha :devil::devil:

 

[Johndoesknowall]

Yo dude. Nice thread. I agree with you on some parts, besides the ones listed above. I believe that Sasuke will not have "senjutsu" after this battle with Jubito. This is a borrowed power from Jugo, and the only reason why he can handle it easily is because he use to have CM. This is how I believe the Naruto series will play out between Naruto and Sasuke.

Naruto--------Sasuke
Initial Form--------CM1 3T
KC V1--------CM2 3T
KC V2--------MS
SM--------MS FS
KCM--------EMS
BM(50%)--------EMS S
SM + BM--------EMS FS
BM(100%)--------PS
​

CM - Curse Mark
3T - 3 Tomtoe
FS - Full Susanoo
KC - Kyuubi Chakra

-The reason why this list is so accurate is because it follows a chronological pattern. Each "power up" is written down as the manga progressed.
-This list does contain some flaws;
1) We haven't seen Sasuke's true powers with his EMS FS
2) We haven't seen Sasuke's ability to produce PS (chapter 650 kinda confirmed it, but its better to wait till next week instead of jumping to conclusions)
3) We haven't seen Naruto's full Bijuu Mode with Yin and Yang.
4) Bijuu mode (100%) should be Naruto's strongest form, equal to that of PS. However, Naruto has demonstrated the ability to use Sage Mode while in Bijuu mode, however, hes only shown us him using this with 50% of Kurama. When he uses 100% Kurama, the amount of power is will increase as well as how fast he can enter sage mode.

Thanks for reading.

OK what's initial form? Cause I'm pretty sure that naruto needed to go into 1 tail kurama cloak to even handle sasuke with 3 tomoe.

What are you saying that KC v2, I'm thinking that he has two tails in KC, is equal to MS. I don't even have to explain why this is wrong. I'll let the base handle that.

Also SM is not equal to MS FS. I honestly don't understand how you came to that conclusion Sasuke's Susanoo is stronger, has more defense and attacks are faster to prepare than in Naruto's Sage mode. Sasuke is also faster. The only thing Naruto has over Sasuke really is stamina, amount of chakra and recovery.

Also EMS is stronger than KCM, the past chapters just showed more of Sasuke's powers. KCM is stronger than mangekyou in ways but it's debatable. Basically they would be even if they were to fight eachother using these.

The rest is fine.