But hes acting like they get stomped, she may win but he hasnt given me a solution as to how she handles to shinobi who are faster than her at this point and have jutsu capable of destroying her organs. I want proof
No, they don't get stomped, I agree. But she does win Mid-difference max. Nothing higher.
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It doesn't, as coordination is simply coordinating your attack patterns and intercepting enemy attacks with planned strategies. Mei was contributing attacks, such as Lava Release with Raikage lightened by Onoki. Does that mean Lava Release strikes at the same speed as Raikage, who was lightened as well? Come on.
But hes acting like they get stomped, she may win but he hasnt given me a solution as to how she handles to shinobi who are faster than her at this point and have jutsu capable of destroying her organs. I want proof
They are not faster than Tsunade, you shouldn't repeat that as it is some kind of common sense truth or something...
It is not a fact... Tsunade is as fast as Sasuke was at the end of part 1.
I reject the premise that she's slower than them. And I would imagine though would lost pretty quickly. She literally has to hit the ground once, not even them. The ground and that should be sufficient to kill them. Also she effortlessly blitzed Shizune who has a 4.5 in the databooks for speed. Your proposing that she's slow when evidence says that she isn't so if you're going to make the charge that she's slow or slower than they are you'll need to prove that.
Tazilla, i dont expect you of all people to use databook as proof. Ive said this many times to people although you may co-operate better. The databook isnt accurate, in that sense your saying shizune is faster than taka sasuke. Shizune has displayed minimal feats to even begin analysing since we have little to go onto. You believe tsunade is faster than sasuke curse mark and naruto (fighting them at the same time meaning while shes trying to fight one, someone. Is attacking her) then i will have to ask you when tsunade has displayed any impressive speed feats. (Im on my phone right now but i will post some scans later)
They are not faster than Tsunade, you shouldn't repeat that as it is some kind of common sense truth or something...
It is not a fact... Tsunade is as fast as Sasuke was at the end of part 1.
I will gladly repeat it because none of you have proved my statement incorrect when i have even explained why they out rank her in speed and have a chance of winning. But since your so fond on the databook, allow me to beat you with your own knowledge.
Tsuande in the databook is 3.5 correct? And thats current tsunade. Sasuke is ranked 3 in the databook but you need to remember that this is just their base speed. Curse mark has even shown us it increases it speed as he was able to pretty much stay on parr with cloak naruto and has obviously power up properties. This alone puts sasuke curse mark above tsunade in speed as he has, at this point, surpassed base speed which was 3 in the databook. This along with Lv3 sharingan which has the highest level of prediction puts him several steps ahead of tsunade in terms of close combat. He will also be able to see where the chakra in her body is building up wh will caution Sasuke to evade those hits more than others. This entire databook thing isnt legit but going by your sorce of facts, shes is out ranked in speed and prediction.
This alone puts sasuke above Tsunade in speed; if naruto cloak is engaging in close combat, this just makes the situation worst s fighting her. Shes struggling on taking out sasuke while naruto and his corrosive chakra also interveen no to mention he can take off her limbs with vermillion rasengan.
Visa versa, this can work the other way. A black chidori to her heart or brain and its over
Of course I did, because its irrelevant. it doesn't matter if Sasuke can predict Tsunade's moves, his body simply won't be fast enough to dodge her attacks. Madara had EMS/RINNEGAN, yet Tsunade was able to blitz him from a close distance
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And please don't come with the 'it was a clone so it isn't a feat' argument. Even though it was a clone, it still has the same abilities as the original Madara ( sharingan precognition and good reflexes for example)
I cant believe you would say sasuke isnt a factor when there are not one but two berserk shinobi fighting her at onze with jutsu high enough to take her out if they aim for limbs or vital organs like the heart or brain.
What are you talking about? Tsunade herself stated she can regenerate
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in her body. Is the brain an organ? Yep. Is the heart an organ? Yep. So I don't see your point here.
What does de have to predict moves? Shes not a damn uchiha mate, she has high evasive skill but if she were to attack, sasuke could easily dodge it. Her attacks are powerful but that would have to compensate for the speed of her blows. What proof have you got that she has amazing speed feats high enough to take out CM sasuke and naruto at the same time?
One of key components of Tsunade''s fighting style is her evasive skill. As a field medic, she cannot afford to be gravely injured or killed on the battle field. [
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. Sakura's skill in evasion is so great that she can completely evade a barrage of poisoned senbon, a multitude of puppet arms, and defeat one hundred puppets without a single scratch. Chiyo aided Sakura in evading Sasori's attack at first, but later noted Sakura hardly needed her help after she learned to read his attack patterns. And we are talking about EARLY PART2 Sakura, about a chuunin level girl. Tsunade is her master = she is more skilled then her. ( unless you think early part2 Sakura > Tsunade in evasion, speed, strength, reflexes, analyzing skills, etc )
So its safe to assume Tsunade is more than capable to react to part1 Naruto's and Sasuke's attacks, moreover she can land direct hits on them.
If katsuya decides to protect tsunade by coat her body then thats obv a fools move since most of her body is made of water, the high ranking black chidori will flow through katsu and attack both katsuya and tsunade. Im not saying this will kill her. The corrosive acid from the cloak will a her some problems and slow her down as they fight. You seem to think that sasuke and naruto wont act swiftly if she decides to take out bunta, shes focused on him and naruto and sasuke are focused on her brains or heart.
Impossible. Part1 Sasuke's Chidori isn't killing/damaging a Bijuu sized summmon. Not to mention Katsuyu could trap Sasuke's arm in her jelly, this would create an opening for Tsunade who would utterly rape Sasuke with one finger.
Of course I did, because its irrelevant. it doesn't matter if Sasuke can predict Tsunade's moves, his body simply won't be fast enough to dodge her attacks. Madara had EMS/RINNEGAN, yet Tsunade was able to blitz him from a close distance
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Absolutely laughable, ive already explained how Sasuke is faster than Tsunade; if anything, tsunade wont be able to keep up with Sasuke from my previous explanation. Your confusing evasion skills with speed and thats a huge mistake, they are two completely different attribute and the sharingan makes that feat of hers even less impressive. If this were naruto we were talking about i could partially understand but even then she would have two people fighting her at the same time
And please don't come with the 'it was a clone so it isn't a feat' argument. Even though it was a clone, it still has the same abilities as the original Madara ( sharingan precognition and good reflexes for example)
If you know what im going to say then why bring up false, pointless and irrelevant feats? The fact that Madara fooled them into thinking they are winning is a very cruel thing to do in this war but he took them out with ease. That alone shows that he was playing with their emotions. he wanted them to think he beat him and for that he sold them a dream.
What are you talking about? Tsunade herself stated she can regenerate
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in her body. Is the brain an organ? Yep. Is the heart an organ? Yep. So I don't see your point here.
Kakashi also said lightning blade an cut through anything but that doesn't make it a fact unless we actually seen him cut through everything in NV; people in NV say a lot of things but it doesn't make it a solid fact if they haven't demonstrated and backed up that statement or feat. Furthermore, its her brain which allows her to regenerate, without that shes pretty much a vegetable. Assume the ridiculous outcome that she does regenerate from it, the shock from the enhanced chidori will scramble and destroy brain cells. How can something regenerate if the core is being destroyed? its like saying a computer can repair itself even though the hardware which makes it repair itself is destroyed.That is hype as far as im concerned.
One of key components of Tsunade''s fighting style is her evasive skill. As a field medic, she cannot afford to be gravely injured or killed on the battle field. [
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. Sakura's skill in evasion is so great that she can completely evade a barrage of poisoned senbon, a multitude of puppet arms, and defeat one hundred puppets without a single scratch. Chiyo aided Sakura in evading Sasori's attack at first, but later noted Sakura hardly needed her help after she learned to read his attack patterns. And we are talking about EARLY PART2 Sakura, about a chuunin level girl. Tsunade is her master = she is more skilled then her. ( unless you think early part2 Sakura > Tsunade in evasion, speed, strength, reflexes, analyzing skills, etc )
So its safe to assume Tsunade is more than capable to react to part1 Naruto's and Sasuke's attacks, moreover she can land direct hits on them.
Ok, first of all knowing you have to evade and not get hit and implementing that feat are two different things. It took sakura a long time before she actually analysed sasoris attacks and what makes that situation different from this is that sasori had a pattern in which he attacked, naruto has a reckless and unpredictable fighting style. If she were to pull a little trick on naruto, sasuke is there as well to assist naruto. Sakura nor tsunade has been shown to take on multiple threat posing enemies at the same time. those senbons that sasori used were too linear for starters and sakura knew at that stage how to dodge them. There is no pattern i naruto's way of fighting.
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The obvious speed enhancement and the way he attacks forced sasuke to get sent flying down despite him blocking. Matters may be different for Tsunade stability but this is basically showing you the blunt side of narutos power. because of the intent to kill, (ill say it again) this makes Naruto and Sasukes actions become more reckless and less predictable. Tsunades isnt a reckless fighter however there is little she can do if both foes are on her. She has little time to analyse and to evade.
Impossible. Part1 Sasuke's Chidori isn't killing/damaging a Bijuu sized summmon. Not to mention Katsuyu could trap Sasuke's arm in her jelly, this would create an opening for Tsunade who would utterly rape Sasuke with one finger.
I specifically said it wouldnt kill her :l it damages her a great deal thanks to the water in katuyas body. IT would make no sense for katsuya to suck in something thats damaging her. Its a reflex to let go of something if its hurting you so what makes you think shes willingly going to absorb a black chidori, knowing it will hurt her and tsunade.
What you need to recognize is that Naruto isnt going to stand there and receive Tsunades punches, his sense of dispelling jutsu and dodging is just as good as Sasueks at this moment and time. His tenacity will also help in this fight.
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If you can show me a scan of Tsunade dodging or evading something this fast then you would have only proved half of my statement wrong. keeping in mind that the last scan i showed you, Naruto hasn't even entered cloak yet.
I will gladly repeat it because none of you have proved my statement incorrect when i have even explained why they out rank her in speed and have a chance of winning. But since your so fond on the databook, allow me to beat you with your own knowledge.
Tsuande in the databook is 3.5 correct? And thats current tsunade. Sasuke is ranked 3 in the databook but you need to remember that this is just their base speed. Curse mark has even shown us it increases it speed as he was able to pretty much stay on parr with cloak naruto and has obviously power up properties. This alone puts sasuke curse mark above tsunade in speed as he has, at this point, surpassed base speed which was 3 in the databook. This along with Lv3 sharingan which has the highest level of prediction puts him several steps ahead of tsunade in terms of close combat. He will also be able to see where the chakra in her body is building up wh will caution Sasuke to evade those hits more than others. This entire databook thing isnt legit but going by your sorce of facts, shes is out ranked in speed and prediction.
This alone puts sasuke above Tsunade in speed; if naruto cloak is engaging in close combat, this just makes the situation worst s fighting her. Shes struggling on taking out sasuke while naruto and his corrosive chakra also interveen no to mention he can take off her limbs with vermillion rasengan.
Visa versa, this can work the other way. A black chidori to her heart or brain and its over
Ok, i see what you are saying, so go on berserk mode enhances his speed, that seems legit.
But, Tsunade can play that game too, since shinobis use chakra to boost up their abilities like jumping, punching, regenerating, it can also be used to make them faster.
Sakura, a gennin rank kunoichi showed this skill once:
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We are talking about Sakura here, so we are talking about precise chakra control, better than Sasuke and Naruto, just like Kakashi said...
You could agree with me that Tsunade's chakra control is even better that Sakura's, without even showing a scan, right?
So, her base skills, strength, speed, etc. Are enhanced by her perfect chakra control.
I don't think Sasuke speed as well as Naruto's are greater than Tsunade's, even in berserk mode, she is older, more experienced, and a recognized powerful kunoichi.
If she can't handle an Orochimaru Cursed Seal Chunnin, and a One Tailed Jinchuriki, she wouldn't be as awesome as the manga states she is.
And who's going to take her arm off? Not Naruto with his punches or rasengan and not sasuke either
And nothing says she has to be still to use it. There's a big difference between needing to be still and just being still
