Itachi's Ability Analysis

[Penguin]

Sensory ninja are good counters to genjutsu, but overall nice thread. Even though some fans ruined Itachi for me, this was an interesting need. I would love to see an Itachi vs Tobirama episode or something.

 

[Disquiet]

Sensory ninja are good counters to genjutsu, but overall nice thread. Even though some fans ruined Itachi for me, this was an interesting need. I would love to see an Itachi vs Tobirama episode or something.

Hmmm I'm not sure about that, isn't Shi a sensor?

Thanks! Yeah, too good to be true.

 

[KingHashirama]

"went all out".... there isn't much you can do with 2.5 stamina....

 

[Disquiet]

"went all out".... there isn't much you can do with 2.5 stamina....

Sasuke's stamina must be garbage.

 

[KingHashirama]

Sasuke's stamina must be garbage.

o-o Still better then Itachi's. Considering the amount of things Sasuke did in their fight was double of what Itachi did.

 

[Disquiet]

o-o Still better then Itachi's. Considering the amount of things Sasuke did in their fight was double of what Itachi did.

lol double? Not at all. I wish you'd elaborate so I'd get a better understanding.

 

[Zebstrika]

Do you have any idea what plot is? Why didn't Nagato attack konoha when naruto was a child? Why didn't Obito slip back into the village and get naruto such a long time ago? There are MANY elements of this manga that make no sense, and its done because kishi has his own story in mind

Itachi prevented Obito from touching the village. Not sure why Nagato did not attack the village (but I think there was a reason).

 

[Owarij]

Itachi prevented Obito from touching the village. Not sure why Nagato did not attack the village (but I think there was a reason).

I'm talking about before Itachi even met obito and made a deal with him

 

[Zebstrika]

I'm talking about before Itachi even met obito and made a deal with him

Fair point. That is a plot-hole. It's hard to take this manga to seriously anyway, even the best novels have plot-holes.

 

[startup97]

Agreed. Just imagine a bloodlust Edo Itachi!!!

 

[Helikido]

Yet idiots still keep saying that Nagato will smash on him. Fact is, in a 1v1 fight its nagato who will have a hard time.

I'm tired of all the low chakra bull shit. Its all bullshit.

Also OP, you forgot to mention that itachi also has KA at his disposal.

 

[UltimateDeadpool]

Right. Would love to see some scans of that bolded claim... If I recall, they started seeing bright white feathers infront of their eyes and were starting to fall asleep, thus they realized it was genjutsu..

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Btw, almost 100% Jiraya never said such a ludicrous thing

2) We all know how to stop a genjutsu, that's not the point, Not only can you not always DO that, Ask orochimaru, Raikage A and Deidara, but there are certain types of genjutsu where before you can break it , you have to first REALIZE you're in one....

3) Do you have any idea what plot is? Why didn't Nagato attack konoha when naruto was a child? Why didn't Obito slip back into the village and get naruto such a long time ago? There are MANY elements of this manga that make no sense, and its done because kishi has his own story in mind

Not even going to comment on the rest, its loaded with fallacious arguments

1. I remember there was some part in the manga where someone noticed their chakra was being messed with, I just don't recall where.

2. More experienced shinobi usually realize when they are in one one way or another, just ask Orochimaru, Ei, older Deidara, Kakashi, Gai, Danzo, etc. Then it's a matter of breaking it.

Genjutsu is a plot powered aspect that's typically used for shock value or a handwave, and especially why I don't even try to use it in arguments unless it's a super-genjutsu. Like I could go around saying "Kurenai Binding Tree GG" and if anyone disagrees, then I can just say "They don't have Sharingan to protect them." It's just as valid as any arguments Itachi fans make.

Genjutsu is not a rare ability, someone like Hanzo whom has fought many wars and is infamous everywhere would had encountered many genjutsu users in his lifetime, but if genjutsu were so hax then he would had died the first time he encountered one. The Senju clan were also capable of dominating a clan full of genjutsu users. How is that possible if genjutsu is so hax? Why are Kurenai and Shii not kages right now? In fact, why do ninjas bother to learn things like Raikiri or Edo Tensei instead of Genjutsu if it's so hax? There are actually quite a few powerful ninjas that have a high genjutsu skill yet they only use genjutsu maybe once in a blue moon. What are the logical reasons for that if the Narutoverse were real?

3. Exactly, the problem though is that you seem to forget that when it concerns Itachi.

That's a nice way of backing out.

Well you're free to do an analysis on an underrated character if you wish, and I'm free to do what I want.


The majority of your post didn't counter anything I said. It would just be a waste of time replying to it all, since it revolves around opinions, plot devices, etc. I already know how this is going to turn out. I'm pointing out Itachi's abilities, we're going to go down a path of discussing why he 'chose to do this and that'. In the below paragraph, I'm going to point out in the first sentence how this discussion should be.

The only legitimate mention I see is your claim of what Gai said, since that would actually be a FACT that shuts down a bit of my thread. You see the difference between that and the majority of your post? The majority of your posts isn't backed up by anything at all...in fact, the logic you displayed with 'the characters that should have hype threads are the underdogs', you suggest that some of these characters abilities are either overlooked or shunned due to plot. So, I would get manga scans, analyze those scans, and present it just like I did this thread?


Anyways, I'm going to look into what Gai said. And no, Jiraiya never said that. Also, I already know how one must stop genjutsu. That's not the point.


Edo Itachi didn't do any better? I didn't notice Edo Itachi was coughing up blood and had stamina problems. When comparing Itachi to other characters, most don't use Edo Itachi.

But why do you feel that a topic like this is necessary for Itachi?

The only part where I brought up Itachi's decisions were regarding his supposedly active participation in trying to work against Akatsuki. If Itachi were as OP as you perceive him to be, then he would had succeeded... he did not. This is a key element which completely disregards the apparent core premise of your argument. Sasuke also said that not even Itachi was powerful enough to assassinate the Uchiha clan by himself, Itachi also admits inferiority to Obito and claims equality with Jiraiya. These all give us an indication of how powerful Kishimoto has determined Itachi is, you can over analyze and embellish Itachi's impressive abilities if you'd like but it doesn't change his actual placement in the manga.

That's mighty kind of you to offer. I may attempt to take you up on that, but I typically have severe time restrictions due to my daily schedule. Otherwise my initial reply to you would had been more lengthy and planned out.

More skilled shinobi do notice the use of genjutsu and have shown to recognize it instantly, unless it's too subtle like when Sasuke tricked Danzo about his last eye. That and what Kakashi did against Zabuza were perhaps the most clever uses of genjutsu in the series.

I hadn't noticed a time when coughing up blood had hindered Itachi in battle, either stopping him from making a killing blow or leaving him vulnerable to attack. I also highly doubt it affected his stamina, Kimimaro needed a machine to stay alive and still had a 4.5 in chakra. If Itachi did have more chakra, it wasn't that much more.
They may as well be using Edo Itachi though since they use a fictional "healthy" Itachi whom has MS mastery but none of the drawbacks such as vision or health problems and can spam MS jutsus without backlash, which goes against established manga canon. People also fallaciously use Edo Itachi to reflect living Itachi as well.

Itachi prevented Obito from touching the village. Not sure why Nagato did not attack the village (but I think there was a reason).

Actually he didn't. Itachi made the deal with Obito thinking he was Madara whom had a grudge against the village, but Obito was only concerned about the Moon's Eye Plan. It was a sham deal. Obito even knew that Itachi was a double-agent, he was using Itachi to his own ends.

Obito teleporting in and snatching a baby Naruto would had probably been undetectable and is a plot hole, but it would had been a bad idea for Nagato to attack. Akatsuki was still a fledgling organization then, it's membership wasn't filled, they didn't have much money, and they needed to capture the Bijuu in order. If they were to make their move, it wouldn't be very prudent to attack Konoha head-on to get Kurama. That's just instigating a war they weren't yet prepared to fight.

 

[Helikido]

1. I remember there was some part in the manga where someone noticed their chakra was being messed with, I just don't recall where.

2. More experienced shinobi usually realize when they are in one one way or another, just ask Orochimaru, Ei, older Deidara, Kakashi, Gai, Danzo, etc. Then it's a matter of breaking it.

Genjutsu is a plot powered aspect that's typically used for shock value or a handwave, and especially why I don't even try to use it in arguments unless it's a super-genjutsu. Like I could go around saying "Kurenai Binding Tree GG" and if anyone disagrees, then I can just say "They don't have Sharingan to protect them." It's just as valid as any arguments Itachi fans make.

Genjutsu is not a rare ability, someone like Hanzo whom has fought many wars and is infamous everywhere would had encountered many genjutsu users in his lifetime, but if genjutsu were so hax then he would had died the first time he encountered one. The Senju clan were also capable of dominating a clan full of genjutsu users. How is that possible if genjutsu is so hax? Why are Kurenai and Shii not kages right now? In fact, why do ninjas bother to learn things like Raikiri or Edo Tensei instead of Genjutsu if it's so hax? There are actually quite a few powerful ninjas that have a high genjutsu skill yet they only use genjutsu maybe once in a blue moon. What are the logical reasons for that if the Narutoverse were real?

3. Exactly, the problem though is that you seem to forget that when it concerns Itachi.

That's a nice way of backing out.



But why do you feel that a topic like this is necessary for Itachi?

The only part where I brought up Itachi's decisions were regarding his supposedly active participation in trying to work against Akatsuki. If Itachi were as OP as you perceive him to be, then he would had succeeded... he did not. This is a key element which completely disregards the apparent core premise of your argument. Sasuke also said that not even Itachi was powerful enough to assassinate the Uchiha clan by himself, Itachi also admits inferiority to Obito and claims equality with Jiraiya. These all give us an indication of how powerful Kishimoto has determined Itachi is, you can over analyze and embellish Itachi's impressive abilities if you'd like but it doesn't change his actual placement in the manga.

That's mighty kind of you to offer. I may attempt to take you up on that, but I typically have severe time restrictions due to my daily schedule. Otherwise my initial reply to you would had been more lengthy and planned out.

More skilled shinobi do notice the use of genjutsu and have shown to recognize it instantly, unless it's too subtle like when Sasuke tricked Danzo about his last eye. That and what Kakashi did against Zabuza were perhaps the most clever uses of genjutsu in the series.

I hadn't noticed a time when coughing up blood had hindered Itachi in battle, either stopping him from making a killing blow or leaving him vulnerable to attack. I also highly doubt it affected his stamina, Kimimaro needed a machine to stay alive and still had a 4.5 in chakra. If Itachi did have more chakra, it wasn't that much more.
They may as well be using Edo Itachi though since they use a fictional "healthy" Itachi whom has MS mastery but none of the drawbacks such as vision or health problems and can spam MS jutsus without backlash, which goes against established manga canon. People also fallaciously use Edo Itachi to reflect living Itachi as well.

You have no proper argumentsan. If you want to talk about placement that the manga has put him in, Kabuto stated that he is on another level than the rest of his Edo including nagato.

But we all know that itachi isn't stronger than nagato but equal to him.

Anyhow with so many one shot techniques and smart intellectual abilities, he is almost god tier.

 

[UltimateDeadpool]

You have no proper argumentsan. If you want to talk about placement that the manga has put him in, Kabuto stated that he is on another level than the rest of his Edo including nagato.

But we all know that itachi isn't stronger than nagato but equal to him.

Anyhow with so many one shot techniques and smart intellectual abilities, he is almost god tier.

I do have a solid argument. You're also taking Kabuto's words out of context to meet your own ends.

I do believe that Itachi, Nagato, Jiraiya, Minato, Tobirama, and some others are all in the same tier. Yes.

He's not the only ninja with tactical and strategic abilities in battle, and his techniques are avoidable and counterable. But he is not almost god-tier. People above him are characters like Hashirama and Madara. Then above them are Obito and Rikudou.

 

[Owarij]

1. I remember there was some part in the manga where someone noticed their chakra was being messed with, I just don't recall where.

2. More experienced shinobi usually realize when they are in one one way or another, just ask Orochimaru, Ei, older Deidara, Kakashi, Gai, Danzo, etc. Then it's a matter of breaking it.

Genjutsu is a plot powered aspect that's typically used for shock value or a handwave, and especially why I don't even try to use it in arguments unless it's a super-genjutsu. Like I could go around saying "Kurenai Binding Tree GG" and if anyone disagrees, then I can just say "They don't have Sharingan to protect them." It's just as valid as any arguments Itachi fans make.

Genjutsu is not a rare ability, someone like Hanzo whom has fought many wars and is infamous everywhere would had encountered many genjutsu users in his lifetime, but if genjutsu were so hax then he would had died the first time he encountered one. The Senju clan were also capable of dominating a clan full of genjutsu users. How is that possible if genjutsu is so hax? Why are Kurenai and Shii not kages right now? In fact, why do ninjas bother to learn things like Raikiri or Edo Tensei instead of Genjutsu if it's so hax? There are actually quite a few powerful ninjas that have a high genjutsu skill yet they only use genjutsu maybe once in a blue moon. What are the logical reasons for that if the Narutoverse were real?

3. Exactly, the problem though is that you seem to forget that when it concerns Itachi.

That's a nice way of backing out.

Are you still arguing and fail to get the point? I'm not talking about ordinary genjutsu, I'm not talking about kurenai's genjutsu which is blatantly obvious... I'm speaking about reality simulated genjutsu which we've only seen Itachi, Sasuke, and a one or two others use in the manga

No you're wrong, Noone in the manga has said such a thing, and if you truly believe they did, go find the scan/s, I'll be waiting ... You don't feel your chakra being played with , that's complete bs and an assumption on your part.. Was Danzo not an experienced shinobi? Why was he caught in genjutsu not once but twice? I can call many other situations that completely contradict your statements...

Backing out? You have no argument, you're trying to use deductive reasoning against the plot of SOMEONE else's story.. expecting everything to be perfect and make sense... Unfortunately my friend, there is almost no manga is that well written

Hanzo may have met genjutsu users, but has he met a genjutsu user like Shishui or Itachi?

 

[Airbear]

deadpool owarij sh****ted on u just stop

 

[Kinimaster]

Deadpool arent you that Itachi hater, that used to be on Naruto Forums?

 

[UltimateDeadpool]

Are you still arguing and fail to get the point? I'm not talking about ordinary genjutsu, I'm not talking about kurenai's genjutsu which is blatantly obvious... I'm speaking about reality simulated genjutsu which we've only seen Itachi, Sasuke, and a one or two others use in the manga

No you're wrong, Noone in the manga has said such a thing, and if you truly believe they did, go find the scan/s, I'll be waiting ... You don't feel your chakra being played with , that's complete bs and an assumption on your part.. Was Danzo not an experienced shinobi? Why was he caught in genjutsu not once but twice? I can call many other situations that completely contradict your statements...

Backing out? You have no argument, you're trying to use deductive reasoning against the plot of SOMEONE else's story.. expecting everything to be perfect and make sense... Unfortunately my friend, there is almost no manga is that well written

Hanzo may have met genjutsu users, but has he met a genjutsu user like Shishui or Itachi?

Itachi has never used a reality-simulated genjutsu to my recollection, if we're on the same page of what a reality-simulated genjutsu is. I.E. making subtle changes to the scenery, nothing apparent or too radical.

I'll concede on the prospect of being able to sense your chakra being manipulated for now, I can't remember where I saw this being suggested.
Danzo was put in a genjutsu by Sasuke, but the first time was crystal clear to him and he shrugged it off. Genjutsu is good for distractions, but it's only as effective as the opponent allows it to be. The second time was a much more masterful use of genjutsu, it wasn't used as a distraction; since Danzo didn't know how long his eyes would stay open Sasuke used a very subtle genjutsu to make him think that the eye was still open.
The only other situation that I feel you could make an argument for is Deidara, which seemed like plot hax since Sasuke's genjutsu was crystal clear to him but then ended up falling for the exact same illusion the second time. An example of plot... also what followed was an example of plot as well, lol.

Why shouldn't I use deductive reasoning against the plot? Your argument here is valid in that Naruto is only a semi-well written manga, but there has to be a collective consistency here. We can't just say that since the writing in this manga is half-assed that whatever we want to believe is correct. At least that's not how I feel about it, and perhaps I do take it a little too seriously. Here are two articles that may explain my disposition better than I can:

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What has Itachi or Shisui done without MS could reasonably beat him? Itachi put Orochimaru in a genjutsu that he was able to break. Itachi put the still-novice Naruto in a genjutsu that he resisted. Itachi put that non-ninja woman in a genjutsu. Itachi put Bee in a genjutsu that he had an automatic counter to. Itachi hasn't shown able to do anything with genjutsu, outside of Tsukiyomi, that other genjutsu users haven't shown the ability to do: Sasuke, Kakashi, Kurenai, Shii, Kabuto, Tayuya, Madara, Hashirama, etc.

deadpool owarij sh****ted on u just stop

I see a cheerleader is here. Did you have your pomp-pomps and mini-skirt on when you said that?

Deadpool arent you that Itachi hater, that used to be on Naruto Forums?

I am on the Narutoforums, but you must be mistaken about who I am since I don't hate Itachi. Don't deviate from the topic to start bashing me for disagreeing with people on specific issues, this is a topic of discussion.

 

[Owarij]

Danzo was put in a genjutsu by Sasuke, but the first time was crystal clear to him and he shrugged it off.

Its like you don't even read the manga.. The first time, Danzo didn't realize he was in a genjutsu until Sasuke made it OBVIOUS, by making Itachi appear from crows..

The 2nd time he didn't notice it at ALL because the genjutsu had nothing out ordinary, the only change was the state of the eye..

Itachi hasn't used reality simulation genjutsu? what manga are you reading? how do you think he beat deidara?


Not reading the article because they hold no value to the argument.. Naruto is FILLED with plot holes and things that could have been executed in other ways that would make more sense... Nagato/Tobi not attacking the village earlier is just one of MANY of these things..
Ehh I'm done

 

[Fodder#4]

Very nice overview of Itachi's abilities.