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Yes, this is a tl;dr, you are warned.




SHARINGAN


Replication:


As we all know, the sharingan can duplicate abilities as long as they aren't inherent or derived from the users own innate ability. Kakashi, who is well adept at using the Sharingan, yet not in the same tier as Itachi, is able to copy jutsu while contemporaneously performing it [ ] - [ ]. Sasuke further elaborated the depth of this feat [ ]. That's quite interesting, especially considering Kakashi's shortcomings in his later battle with Itach; but that's for later. Here, we see Kakashi actually deploying the technique before the caster can conclude his [ ] - [ ]. Kakashi beat him to the punch, it's not necessary to know what the technique even looks like...

In most cases, a visual of the jutsu is a prerequisite to learning it (obviously not if you're making your own jutsu from scratch). This speaks volumes of the sharingan's insight. Itachi, with his incredible hand-speed and advanced sharingan would be a problem for any water or fire style user who is not uchiha themselves.


Prediction:

Another known aspect of the sharingan is its aptitude of prevision. This statement by Haku says it all, while utilizing a jutsu such as this [ ], says this [ ].Mind you, Haku is no idiot. He is extremely intelligent. Even with that immense speed, he recognizes the danger of the Sharingan's precognition abilities. In case you missed it, I'm referring to his statement about attacking Sasuke head on. Kishi gives us a visualization later on [ ] - [ ] - [ ]. In the next page, following 'J', Naruto tries to sneak up on him from behind [ ]. Remember, this is kyuubi enhanced Naruto. This next page showcased Kyuubi Cloak Naruto once again attacking Sasuke from BEHIND. [ ]. While not as effortlessly as before, Sasuke holds his own against a Naruto that is way beyond base speed.


Now previous to all that, Sasuke was taking a royal beating until he acquired his 3 tomoe. As you can see, the sharingan can compensate even for vast and apparent speed differences; to the point where the opponent's speed becomes a non-factor. I'm sure you recognize the potential when this particular sharingan faculty is supplemented with a superior speed; let alone shunsin no jutsu.

I said this earlier:

Itachi, with his incredible hand-speed and advanced sharingan would be a problem for any water or fire style user who is not uchiha themselves.

It's actually more extensive. Executing any jutsu that requires hand-signs while Itachi is watching is not a smart move. A sage, who was capable of sensing and dodging amaterasu fail prey to Itachi's precognition [ ] -[ ]. Obviously, the user is at a mobile disadvantage when building up chakra, weaving handsigns, etc. That's the thing most don't realize, the precog can be utilized in more ways than one. Most just think in terms of taijutsu. In battle, all one needs is to find an opening. It doesn't matter if you're touching each other noses, or several feet apart. As you can see in page 'N', Kabuto was a good distance, yet Itachi weaved the handsigns and executed the technique before Kabuto could exit his jutsu.

It can even copy subtle movements of the pencil [ ] - [ ] and lips [ ]. Seriously?

Almost all battles requires the use of hand movements....


Genjutsu:

This technique is broken. First, let me say this since a lot seem to ignore it, no where in the manga does it say that one can FEEL their chakra being controlled. It doesn't exist. The only way is through visual perception; or a collapse in reality. All throughout the manga, this is the only way someone realized they were in a genjutsu, unless they possessed a sharingan; the insight is remarkable. This renders any level of skill to break out of it useless; if the caster choose not to make it obvious. How would they know? Even Kabuto, who is a GENIUS, didn't realize he was in a genjutsu until reality became contorted.

Now of course, eye contact is required. However, this only means getting close to a sharingan user. Refer to page 'F'. This is what makes engaging an experienced uchiha in a taijutsu fight frightening. For some reason, some think it's easy to avoid eye contact in a fight, which is definitely not true when your opponent is seeking to make eye contact with you. Not only can the opponent adjust position to gain eye contact, but you realize how hard it is not to change focus on a reflex?

Reflex
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an action that is performed as a response to a stimulus and without conscious thought.

adjective
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(of an action) performed without conscious thought as an automatic response to a stimulus.


No I'm not trying to insult anyone's intelligence, I'm propagating the 'out of sight, out of mind' idiom. I think it's true in this case, we sometimes fail to see the bigger picture. A sudden or suspicious movement can attract the eyes, involuntarily. And as I said, there's always the option of the sharingan user forcefully making eye contact by movement of their head, body, etc.


This should provide some extra clarity for the following pages [ ] - [ ] - [ ]. After stating how difficult it would be to fight an Uchiha without looking in the eyes, Chiyo goes on to state, "If it's one on one, surely flee." Yes, I know there are monsters out there that are capable of changing the terrain who can fight an Uchiha one on one. I'm merely making a point that a lot of people seem to miss.

On to the next one...


Seeing through the kagebunshin:



"What is this guy talking about, the sharingan can't see through clones." Please bare with me. u.u While it's true that the sharingan cannot tell a clone apart, there is indeed a way. Thanks to Tobirama's explanation [ ]. As you can see, the image on the right depicts the main body and it's clones before the former manipulates chakra, the panel on the left shows the clones chakra corresponding with the main's body. You probably caught on already, whenever the main body manipulates chakra, the clone's chakra reacts; a giveaway to a sharingan user. Likewise, if a clone does a jutsu, and none of the others chakra resonate with it; then it's a fake. The sharingan will see this all. I don't think I have much left to say here.



Itachi's Kunai skills.


We've seen what Itachi can do with kunai while falling upside down [ ] - [ ] -[ ] - [ ]. If that isn't a great display of the fortitude of his focus, precision, and skill then I don't know what is. Most people are more likely to stab themselves in the foot while trying to throw a sharp object while falling, let alone hit a target that's hiding behind a boulder; on the bulls-eyes. Another notable feat of his is what he did to Nagato's summons [ ]. Now think back on the scan of his hitting the blindspot behind that rock while descending, and you should come to the conclusion that in a battle, opponents best watch their back. Itachi could very easily kill an opponent by targeting their blind spots. This puts a burden on his opponent, because they will have to be watching out for deflecting kunai while trying to keep an eye on their blind spot and more importantly; Itachi. But check this out [ ].

"The greatest benefit of this jutsu is that the process of taking out a ninja tool, taking a stance and putting it into action is sped up to the extreme."

"Ninja tools are deployed at truly lightning speeds that literally take the air out of an adversary's sails and allow the caster to take the initiative in battle."


Here's the fight [ ] - [ ] - [ ]. Sasuke is no slow poke, yet even with the advantage he had in that situation, Itachi not only matches him; but manages to make a handsign for a clone. So wait, not only would opponents have to be mindful of their blind spots, watch the trajectory of deflected kunai, but also have to keep up with with the sheer SPEED that Itachi is able to deploy his ninja tools while watching Itachi AND any clone he might make in the process? That's insane! Let me reiterate; Sasuke had the advantage. It's well within reason to assume any person even a bit slower and or skillful (it's not just about speed, it's also about skill) would have been killed. Furthermore, Sasuke is the only user of that technique, others would have to take the stance, and put it into action the way we are accustomed to.

This may be more of a display of strength than anything, but I figured I'd put it in here anyway [ ]. We also see that smaller ninja weapons are capable of changing if not completely stopping the trajectory of bigger weapons [ ].




ITACHI'S GENJTSU PROWESS

Basic Genjutsu:

Ephemeral


I'll start off with what is commonly referred to as Ephemeral. It requires no eye contact; simply the point of a finger [ ]. The user is then, put into a genjutsu. However, there's something interesting happening here, in Naruto's teammates dialogue [ ] - [ ] - [ ]. Notice their words, those are thoughts that should only be known to Naruto. There are two possibilities: Itachi was able to dig deep into his thoughts/experiences, or it's a genjutsu that manifest one's guilt independent of the caster.

If it's the first, which does have some merit [ ] - [ ], then he could most likely get the rundown on an opponent's techniques. Remember, this only requires the point of a finger. Then there's the possibility that this guilt manifested on its own, which could definitely hamper one's fighting spirit, or at the very least make for a convenient distraction. We've seen it multiple times. With Kakashi [ ] - [ ]. With Minato [ ] - [ ] - [ ].And obviously, Naruto, he started crying [ ] Now one could say there's a difference, the person under the spell would know know that they're being duped. However, one could also argue that seeing the faces and hearing the words of loved ones is more damaging that critique coming from the mouths of recognized enemies.

Dusk Crow Genjutsu

Then there's his Dusk Crow Genjutsu, which requires no handsigns nor a point of the finger. Despite Naruto's caution [ ] - [ ], he still fell prey to the genjutsu [ ] - [ ]. Obviously, the aforementioned and all makes CQC with Itachi very dangerous. After getting caught in a genjutsu, it would only take him a couple seconds at most to kill you.

Demonic Illusion: Shackling Stakes Technique



It requires eye contact, and while the opponent would obviously know they're in a genjutsu due to restricted movement, performing the seal to cancel it would take time due to the paralysis illusion [ ].

Tsukyomi:

Seriously, the Tsukyomi is mentioned and discussed so much that I won't even go into detail about it. I'll just leave this here [ ].



Itachi's Clone Techniques.


Crow Clone Technique.

This technique uses crows as a medium, which results in a clutter of crows when hit and dispersed; blocking the opponent's vision. Itachi was even able to get the jump on Kabuto [ ] - [ ]-, a sensor with enhanced speed due to SM. Granted, he still managed to dodge, but he also evaded susano'o arrows and amaterasu more successfully.

Itachi's crow clone technique seems to have an edge over the regular kage bunshin technique. In the case of the standard Kage Bunshin, it's blatantly obvious that the user created clones; they appear next to the user [ ] - [ ] - [ ] - [ ]. And as you can see in the last page, they also requite lots of chakra. Even Tobirama with his monstrous could only create two.

Compared to Itachi's crow clone genjutsu; it can spring up out of nowhere, even with no signs of smoke [ ] - [ ]. Obviously it has the better element of surprise.

Clone Great Explosion:

This one is very effective, it signals the end if the opponent is caught in its explosion [ ]. Even this clone managed to go undetected and get behind Kakashi [ ]; compare to the kage bunshin.


AMATERASU

People always say that Itachi can only use 2-3 amaterasu. What is often overlooked, is the amount of amaterasu Itachi used in his fight with Sasuke. He managed to engulf half of the forest surrounding the building [ ] - [ ] - [ ]. Those pages are in order by the way. Prior to that, he used an amaterasu of this scale [ ]. Then he extinguished it [ ]. He later proves it's well within his capability to control the quantity [ ]. Check out the amount Sasuke is releasing[ ]. Itachi could at least produce ten of those.

Also keep in mind he used the Tsukyomi earlier, as well as a few other jutsu.


SUSANO'O

Susano'o is a materialization of the users chakra, but how can it materialize if the user has little to no chakra left? Itachi, while he was near death, managed to manifest his Susano's complete form. Not to mention, his body was very weak at that time; due to the disease. This actually speaks volumes of Itachi's chakra control/levels; especially since most brush him off as a guy who can't hold out for very long. Yet, he was able to materiliaze his chakra on this level [ ] - [ ] after performing very chakra-taxing jutsu and even outlasted Sasuke.

Susano'o users can even partially manifest susano'o; presenting simple ribs for protection . If Itachi really wanted to, he could even start a battle wearing a simple cloak and still get pretty far before tiring [ ], pay close attention to the first two panels. It would be less onerous on his body and chakra. As we saw, Madara managed to block attacks with a susano'o cloak (no bones or ribs) [ ]. That's basically all Itachi would need depending on his opponent; he could fight with that itty bitty cloak. As demonstrated above, his chakra levels and or control is certainly great enough for it.


He is also able to go on the offense/defense with Susano'o very fast. No Susano'o [ ] - [ ] - [ ]. As you can see, he managed to make a fist and extend it to protect sasuke, at the last moment. I'm not surprised, since he managed to activate this [ ] before being struck by lightning. And yes this was real lightning, so there's no hyperbole here. If you're within in Itachi's range, he could activate his susano'o and smash you before your mind can process his actions.


ITACHI'S SPEED

I'm not going to get much into this. I mean the guy has a 5 in the databooks and was able to keep up with Bee and Naruto effortlessly . You can also see that distance he's able to cover in such a short amount of time.

As for his handsigns speed, this [ ] along with his execution in that shuriken skirmish with Sasuke says it all.


THE POWER IN A NAME



Also, with no knowledge of Itachi but his history with the leaf village, opponents will NOT start off using large scale techniques. How would they know he has a disease? Actually, because of his clan, they would probably assume he has above average chakra level; certainly more than they do. So, they would try to preserve as much chakra as possible, if they're smart. This works in Itachi's favor; because he could finish them off before they bring out the big guns. Also, with his Sharingan, he could see how much chakra they have remaining; which is key to outlasting them.


Well, that's enough for the analysis.



Awaits:

Minato still solos

Minato> Itachi

[Insert Character] > Itachi

[Insert Jutsu] > Itachi

Aids/Disease is greater than Itachi (and all its variants)

"Too bad he's dead"

"Itachi fanboy" (and all its variants)



Remember, this is not a VS thread. I may have contrasted some characters a bit, but it was only for comparison. Also I'm aware I left out some things; mainly Yasaka Magatama, Yata Mirror, and Izanami.



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Anyways it's funny, because Itachi was never serious or went all out in his battles. So, I just thought this image was very fitting to conclude this thread.



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I didn't read SORRY. But am guessing its EPIC, you made a lot of work in it. =D
 

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Time and time again I've tried to show people how broken Genjutsu is, even the simplest of genjutsu that imitates reality, would become deadly in any given situation if the victim doesn't possess some doujutsu to see past it... It literally takes a few seconds for the caster to run up to you and slit your throat, while you haven't even figured out you're in a genjutsu yet

Anyways nice read
 
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Nice Scan!!!!

Thanks!

Time and time again I've tried to show people how broken Genjutsu is, even the simplest of genjutsu that imitates reality, would become deadly in any given situation if the victim doesn't possess some doujutsu to see past it... It literally takes a few seconds for the caster to run up to you and slit your throat, while you haven't even figured out you're in a genjutsu yet

Anyways nice read


Indeed. I had your thread in mind when I was writing out that part. It's actually not at all a difficult concept to understand.


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Time and time again I've tried to show people how broken Genjutsu is, even the simplest of genjutsu that imitates reality, would become deadly in any given situation if the victim doesn't possess some doujutsu to see past it... It literally takes a few seconds for the caster to run up to you and slit your throat, while you haven't even figured out you're in a genjutsu yet

Anyways nice read

The defense for low-mid scale Genjutsu is good chakra control, as displyed by Sakura during the chunin exams, she never fell victim to Kabuto's Genjutsu.
 

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well appreciate ur work bro but we can say that in like one line

itachi is hax ( for all the limitations he has )
 

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The defense for low-mid scale Genjutsu is good chakra control, as displyed by Sakura during the chunin exams, she never fell victim to Kabuto's Genjutsu.

My memory of certain events are very hazy. I guess I'll look into that sometime later.

well appreciate ur work bro but we can say that in like one line

itachi is hax ( for all the limitations he has )


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Indeed.
 

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The defense for low-mid scale Genjutsu is good chakra control, as displyed by Sakura during the chunin exams, she never fell victim to Kabuto's Genjutsu.

that was a very LOW level genjutsu considering only genin and civilians were affected by it.. Get real

Kurenai Genjutsu was Med
 

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The defense for low-mid scale Genjutsu is good chakra control, as displyed by Sakura during the chunin exams, she never fell victim to Kabuto's Genjutsu.


Temple of nirvana isn't the kind of genjutsu i'm referring to here.. What i'm talking about is genjutsu that simulates realtiy.. genjutsu that makes the criteria for breaking it include first realizing you're in one.. that's the genjutsu that is broken beyond reasonable belief... even the simplest of genjutsu cast on Sakura, that she doesn't realize she's in will be the end of her before she can even break it , similar to when they were caught in the Mist ninja's genjutsu in the forest of death
 

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you forgot his susanoo dagger:

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Good thread though
 

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Nice Thread... Indeed itachi takes the majority of the narutoverse with his broken reality-simulation genjustu...

No wonder kishi didn't make him use it as often, as he would ruin the manga if itachi one-shotted everyone with a hax technique
 

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you forgot his susanoo dagger:

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Good thread though

lol I actually never noticed that. Nice. Though I'm still researching/analyzing some stuff, will probably edit it later.


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Nice Thread... Indeed itachi takes the majority of the narutoverse with his broken reality-simulation genjustu...

No wonder kishi didn't make him use it as often, as he would ruin the manga if itachi one-shotted everyone with a hax technique


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Yep, that and Itachi's disease was a curb on his abilities.
 
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I don't understand these topics. Of the hundred or so characters in the Narutoverse, why is Itachi primarily the only one to receive hype threads? It's not as if people think he's weak at all, so there's really no reason to keep shoving him down everyone's throats. The characters that should have hype threads are the underdogs.

Basically... stop the Itachi wank, I looked at parts of it and it was largely embellishments and misconceptions which these topics typically consist of. Logically and reasonably, there is a cap to Itachi's capabilities which contradicts all of these hype threads. But by over analyzing and embellishing Itachi's feats, you start to apply no-limit fallacies which are inherently rejected in the manga itself.

Itachi is very skilled and powerful, but his level in the manga has been placed around Jiraiya and below Obito. That's nothing to be ashamed of and is near the top! Obito is a pseudo-Rikudou that's very hax and was trained by Madara himself. Jiraiya is also incredibly powerful and had the potential to beat Nagato. That is Itachi's range established by Kishimoto.

If Itachi were so broken and hax then he could had stopped Akatsuki himself from the inside, or he wouldn't had needed Obito's help to ambush the Uchiha before that, etc.

While skimming, I did notice two things I did want to comment on.

1. You can feel your chakra being messed with, it's said so in the manga; Gai mentioned it when Kabuto was using Temple of Nirvana and Jiraiya may had mentioned something about it to Naruto. You can break genjutsu using chakra control; changing your chakra flow, stopping it, or pushing your chakra out. Also, having your chakra flow disturbed will block the user's manipulation.
If genjutsu were so hax, then Kurenai and Shii would be Kages and the Uchiha would had wiped out the Senju, especially if it's so hard to avoid looking into their eyes as you claim.

2. Susanoo eats life-force, and is also informally the cause of his "disease." Particularly since aside from slowly draining the user's life away, it damages the user's cells and makes them cough blood.

Not sure if there was anything else, I really can't afford to spend all night replying to everything you said.

Thanks^^


Yep, that and Itachi's disease was a curb on his abilities.

How did it curb his abilities? Edo Itachi honestly didn't do any better.

MS is a double-edged sword as we saw first-hand with Sasuke, it grants the user great power but at the cost of their eyes and body. By mastering MS, Itachi's condition got worse.
 
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If Itachi were so broken and hax then he could had stopped Akatsuki himself from the inside, or he wouldn't had needed Obito's help to ambush the Uchiha before that, etc.

While skimming, I did notice two things I did want to comment on.

1. You can feel your chakra being messed with, it's said so in the manga; Gai mentioned it when Kabuto was using Temple of Nirvana and Jiraiya may had mentioned something about it to Naruto. You can break genjutsu using chakra control; changing your chakra flow, stopping it, or pushing your chakra out. Also, having your chakra flow disturbed will block the user's manipulation.
If genjutsu were so hax, then Kurenai and Shii would be Kages and the Uchiha would had wiped out the Senju, especially if it's so hard to avoid looking into their eyes as you claim.

Right. Would love to see some scans of that bolded claim... If I recall, they started seeing bright white feathers infront of their eyes and were starting to fall asleep, thus they realized it was genjutsu..

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Btw, almost 100% Jiraya never said such a ludicrous thing

2) We all know how to stop a genjutsu, that's not the point, Not only can you not always DO that, Ask orochimaru, Raikage A and Deidara, but there are certain types of genjutsu where before you can break it , you have to first REALIZE you're in one....

3) Do you have any idea what plot is? Why didn't Nagato attack konoha when naruto was a child? Why didn't Obito slip back into the village and get naruto such a long time ago? There are MANY elements of this manga that make no sense, and its done because kishi has his own story in mind

Not even going to comment on the rest, its loaded with fallacious arguments
 
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I don't understand these topics. Of the hundred or so characters in the Narutoverse, why is Itachi primarily the only one to receive hype threads? It's not as if people think he's weak at all, so there's really no reason to keep shoving him down everyone's throats. The characters that should have hype threads are the underdogs.

Basically... stop the Itachi wank, I looked at parts of it and it was largely embellishments and misconceptions which these topics typically consist of. Logically and reasonably, there is a cap to Itachi's capabilities which contradicts all of these hype threads. But by over analyzing and embellishing Itachi's feats, you start to apply no-limit fallacies which are inherently rejected in the manga itself.

Itachi is very skilled and powerful, but his level in the manga has been placed around Jiraiya and below Obito. That's nothing to be ashamed of and is near the top! Obito is a pseudo-Rikudou that's very hax and was trained by Madara himself. Jiraiya is also incredibly powerful and had the potential to beat Nagato. That is Itachi's range established by Kishimoto.

If Itachi were so broken and hax then he could had stopped Akatsuki himself from the inside, or he wouldn't had needed Obito's help to ambush the Uchiha before that, etc.

While skimming, I did notice two things I did want to comment on.

1. You can feel your chakra being messed with, it's said so in the manga; Gai mentioned it when Kabuto was using Temple of Nirvana and Jiraiya may had mentioned something about it to Naruto. You can break genjutsu using chakra control; changing your chakra flow, stopping it, or pushing your chakra out. Also, having your chakra flow disturbed will block the user's manipulation.
If genjutsu were so hax, then Kurenai and Shii would be Kages and the Uchiha would had wiped out the Senju, especially if it's so hard to avoid looking into their eyes as you claim.

2. Susanoo eats life-force, and is also informally the cause of his "disease." Particularly since aside from slowly draining the user's life away, it damages the user's cells and makes them cough blood.

Not sure if there was anything else, I really can't afford to spend all night replying to everything you said.



How did it curb his abilities? Edo Itachi honestly didn't do any better.

MS is a double-edged sword as we saw first-hand with Sasuke, it grants the user great power but at the cost of their eyes and body. By mastering MS, Itachi's condition got worse.

Well you're free to do an analysis on an underrated character if you wish, and I'm free to do what I want.


The majority of your post didn't counter anything I said. It would just be a waste of time replying to it all, since it revolves around opinions, plot devices, etc. I already know how this is going to turn out. I'm pointing out Itachi's abilities, we're going to go down a path of discussing why he 'chose to do this and that'. In the below paragraph, I'm going to point out in the first sentence how this discussion should be.

The only legitimate mention I see is your claim of what Gai said, since that would actually be a FACT that shuts down a bit of my thread. You see the difference between that and the majority of your post? The majority of your posts isn't backed up by anything at all...in fact, the logic you displayed with 'the characters that should have hype threads are the underdogs', you suggest that some of these characters abilities are either overlooked or shunned due to plot. So, I would get manga scans, analyze those scans, and present it just like I did this thread?


Anyways, I'm going to look into what Gai said. And no, Jiraiya never said that. Also, I already know how one must stop genjutsu. That's not the point.


Edo Itachi didn't do any better? I didn't notice Edo Itachi was coughing up blood and had stamina problems. When comparing Itachi to other characters, most don't use Edo Itachi.
 
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