A part of Sharingan, long forgotten.

[Kisuke Kakashi]

When we are first introduced to Sharingan, the famous doujutsu of the Uchiha clan, it is sported by Hatake Kakashi.
He is recognised by Zabuze, from a Bingo book, as "Copy Ninja" Kakashi.
Known for imitating a thousand ninja techniques with his Sharingan.
He is seen to copy many of Zabuza's water techniques in the battles, and Uchiha Sasuke is seen to copy part of Rock Lee's "Shadow Dance" during the Chuunin exam.

So my topic of discussion is; has the focus of Sharingan gone too far towards this "Mangekyou" variant and its powers, as well as this obsession with eye transplants? Has the "copying" idea that the eye technique was based around, been forgotten for too long?

Too many chapters have past since we've actually seen one of its wielders copy a move.

Thoughts?

 

[RokuNR]

I agree. I was thinking the exact same thing 2 days ago. If sharigan copies, why hasn't anyone seemed to use it but Kakashi, and it has yet to be used since who knows how long.

 

[Emperor]

True. Sasuke's last use was to copy Shadow of The Dancing Leaf from Lee before the Chuunin Exams.

 

[Orion]

I was thinking the same thing, when I created this thread...

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According to me, Just possessing Sharingan does not make you able to copy techs. You need to have required level of intelligence for doing it. Kakashi has it and this fact is also accepted by Itachi in Itachi-kakashi fight...
If you can remember Neji learned divine whirl tech of main branch just by seeing it. So that proves Possessing Sharingan does not make you able to copy techs.
But Sharingan as my theory above says helps lot...

 

[twistedlink]

At kage level copying standard ninjutsu really doesnt work....

Its like orochimaru states against the 3rd during the fight when he mixes fire with earth and makes a lava river.

"youll need more than that kind of ninjutsu to kill me sarutobi sensei"

Highly skilled ninjas are generally immune to copyable ninjutsus.

I dont see any of akatsuki going down by many of kakashis standard ninjutsu.

And all decent ninjutsu is either bloodline limit, or like FRS, requires sage mode to do properly.


Basically sharingan can copy any standard jutsu-becomes useless once you hit skilled jounin stage

 

[Vergil..]

I was thinking the same thing, when I created this thread...

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According to me, Just possessing Sharingan does not make you able to copy techs. You need to have required level of intelligence for doing it. Kakashi has it and this fact is also accepted by Itachi in Itachi-kakashi fight...
If you can remember Neji learned divine whirl tech of main branch just by seeing it. So that proves Possessing Sharingan does not make you able to copy techs.
But Sharingan as my theory above says helps lot...

umm i dont now about the copy part but you have one thing wrong.
neji never copied rotation/kaiten he deduced what technics the main brach could do and then he self-teached the jutsu's like 64 palms.


topic:

well i would love to see a kakashi vs anyone fight with kakashi copying jutsu like with zabuza but since then i guess kishi made it so that the sharigan is more used acording to each persons style of fighting like itachi uses it for genjutsu mainly and sasuke/kakashi use it to predict moves and block genjutsu.

and yeah Mangenkyu is being overrated.kishi should give us a good old copy jutsu fight.

eye transplant is starting to get cheep next on the line for it must be naruto or konan getting rinnegan.

 

[GriffinofKonoha]

Thank you so much. I have wanted to talk about this for a while now but haven't gotten to it. Sasuke hasn't copied a single move other than Rock lee's. Even Kakashi hasn't copied any jutsus from enemies like Pain or others.

 

[leafeater]

It could be simply a writing style to keep diversity in there, which is why we don't see so much jutsu copying anymore.

 

[dredblack7]

The Sharingan does not copy on it's own.

It Breaks down the enemy's Jutsu so that the user may better understand and avoid it.

Kakashi uses the break-down to his advantage and duplicates the jutsu from what the Sharingan is able to help him understand.

 

[Kisuke Kakashi]

At kage level copying standard ninjutsu really doesnt work....

That's never been stated as fact, though, it's something you're assuming.
There's no reason some Kage level techniques couldn't be replicated (such as some of the water moves used by the Second; and the fire and earth jutsu used by the Third in their battle).

There are things that will be impossible to mimic, yes. Like bloodline limits, likely FRS (maybe Kirin?), and then a lot of the things Orochimaru and Akatsuki have cooked up, with their freaky experimental bodies and such.

But what about in the Hidan fight? The elemental moves could have been copied to nullify the others, no?

 

[zenron]

When we are first introduced to Sharingan, the famous doujutsu of the Uchiha clan, it is sported by Hatake Kakashi.
He is recognised by Zabuze, from a Bingo book, as "Copy Ninja" Kakashi.
Known for imitating a thousand ninja techniques with his Sharingan.
He is seen to copy many of Zabuza's water techniques in the battles, and Uchiha Sasuke is seen to copy part of Rock Lee's "Shadow Dance" during the Chuunin exam.

So my topic of discussion is; has the focus of Sharingan gone too far towards this "Mangekyou" variant and its powers, as well as this obsession with eye transplants? Has the "copying" idea that the eye technique was based around, been forgotten for too long?

Too many chapters have past since we've actually seen one of its wielders copy a move.

Thoughts?

Yes, I think it is slightly going away from the whole copying technique, but we all know that sharingan is more than that, and that the copying of techniques is the least of the sharingan skills.

 

[toad sage-hristo]

That's never been stated as fact, though, it's something you're assuming.
There's no reason some Kage level techniques couldn't be replicated (such as some of the water moves used by the Second; and the fire and earth jutsu used by the Third in their battle).

There are things that will be impossible to mimic, yes. Like bloodline limits, likely FRS (maybe Kirin?), and then a lot of the things Orochimaru and Akatsuki have cooked up, with their freaky experimental bodies and such.

But what about in the Hidan fight? The elemental moves could have been copied to nullify the others, no?

thats not true the sharingan reads the hand signs to reproduce the jutsu so if you just saw the jutsu you couldn't copy it

 

[twistedlink]

Kakashi's list of copied jutsus are standard chuunin/jounin rank jutsus.

He has no trump cards that are copied.

His most powerful attacks are all his own.

Sharingan can see how a jutsu works and can see the handsigns etc, however

1.We all know you need certain affinities to work a jutsu, rarely does any ninja get above 3 elements, which limits copyable jutsus significantly.

2.The person wanting to copy the jutsu must also have the skill in order to do so.

3.Its not limited to just bloodline limits.

Chakra levels etc must be taken into account, for example narutos FRS is completely uncopyable, completely-full stop.

Quite frankly jutsu copying would have got severely boring.

In actual fact it DID get boring, nobody wants to see re-hashed moves.

Though, i do agree that this eye transplant business is also getting old.

Kakashi was unique and cool because of it.

Now it appears to be freakin commonplace.



It wouldnt surprise me if nagatos eyes end up in naruto or something stupid like that.

 

[NineTailedSage]

I think the sharingan allows the user to track the movement s of their opponents, kinda like the matrix. And as stated, with enough inteligence the user can counter and later replicate the technique, bloodline limits respective.

 

[Crutch Kaguya]

Yes I also agree, the copying part has been completely forgotten

 

[Scorpio0Pharaoh0Titan]

Kakashi's list of copied jutsus are standard chuunin/jounin rank jutsus.

He has no trump cards that are copied.

His most powerful attacks are all his own.

Sharingan can see how a jutsu works and can see the handsigns etc, however

1.We all know you need certain affinities to work a jutsu, rarely does any ninja get above 3 elements, which limits copyable jutsus significantly.

2.The person wanting to copy the jutsu must also have the skill in order to do so.

3.Its not limited to just bloodline limits.

Chakra levels etc must be taken into account, for example narutos FRS is completely uncopyable, completely-full stop.

Quite frankly jutsu copying would have got severely boring.

In actual fact it DID get boring, nobody wants to see re-hashed moves.

Though, i do agree that this eye transplant business is also getting old.

Kakashi was unique and cool because of it.

Now it appears to be freakin commonplace.



It wouldnt surprise me if nagatos eyes end up in naruto or something stupid like that.

again the idea that jutsu copying is boring is your Opinion... please do not instill it on others.


And at kage level ninjutsu IS important.


if it wasn't important, then there was no need for the second to use his water jutsu to extuinguish sarutobi's dragon breath.

if it wasn't important, kakuzu wouldn't have went after major users from each element to use against other shinobi,

if it wasn't important naruto would be based on taijutsu and genjutsu alone, which it is not.


Ninjutsu copying by the sharingan is important at ANY level given that the person who's copying has the required skills to make it work efficiently.

 

[rebornsoul]

yea, this struck my mind when i was watching the kakashi gaiden anime. y havent been sharingan users copying moves?

they're all obsessed with mangekyou

 

[Koo]

I was thinking the same thing, when I created this thread...

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According to me, Just possessing Sharingan does not make you able to copy techs. You need to have required level of intelligence for doing it. Kakashi has it and this fact is also accepted by Itachi in Itachi-kakashi fight...
If you can remember Neji learned divine whirl tech of main branch just by seeing it. So that proves Possessing Sharingan does not make you able to copy techs.
But Sharingan as my theory above says helps lot...

FINALLY someone with a brain i have been saying this forever