Well Sasori doesn't know that Sasuke has attained the MS so he won't expect that Sasuke will utilize it. Not to mention that Sasuke has a different way of fighting with the MS, such as less focus on genjutsu and a stronger focus on amaterasu, which he can manipulate via enton. Anyway I admit Sasuke doesn't have knowledge on Sasori but he does have the sharingan which can see very fine details so Sasuke will attain knowledge as the fight goes on.
Also even if Sasori has full intel on Sasuke doesn't mean Sasori is fast enough to counter Sasuke's arsenal.
Sasori will not know Sasuke has MS, that is true. My premise was that through
observation he will know, which is why I added evidence to support that he should, 1. Being a witness to Itachi 2. His partner Deidara, who is new, knows about advance doujutsu.
Through Sasori's observation, If the Sharingan is shaped is completely different then the original "3 tomoe", which what the shape is known for, then Sasori, being the 5/5 intelligent person he is, can make that logical conclusion that his eyes are "advance". Deidara comment that Kakashi's advance doujutsu is more important to counter then the Nine-Tails Jinjuiriiki, Naruto. And he compared it to Itachi's. If Deidara was so vigilant against something from that doujutsu level, Sasori's observation against Sasuke should logically be the same (Because its dangerous and can one-shot). Thats was where I was getting at.
First off, you didn't even take into account that Sasuke had already been weakened after fighting against the kages and their kage body guards. Sure Karin may have healed Sasuke to some extent but in that short amount of time, I highly doubt that he was healed completely and eye damage isn't something medical jutsu can easily heal, if it can at all.
Secondly, you posted a scan of Sasuke utilizing a batch of Amaterasu while he was sustaining a V2 Susanoo. Of course utilizing two MS jutsus at the same time would be too much for him but as long as he utilizes them individually, he is fine.
I didn't take into account because I never claim it will happen so easily. I only claim that its the "beginning of the process" once he starts.
2. True, my argument was IF he tries that.
So you are implying that 3 tomoe Sasuke loses to Hiruko? I'm quite disappointed if you think that. Going by this logic, Tenten defeats 3 tomoe Sasuke as well if she poisoned kunais but no, Sasuke can deflect those with his own shuriken spam. As for Hiruko's tail, he cuts it in half with chidori sharp spear. Utilizing his far superior movement speed compared to Hiruko, Sasuke should be able to shunshin towards Hiruko and cut it in half forcing Sasori out of Hiruko. Not to mention that Sasuke can summon his hawk for an aerial advantage over Hiruko.
Lol let me quote from my other post to get the understanding. Some people seem to misunderstand Hiruko because he just looks like a "spam bot". But the context of the manga did not want to imply that here is the quote:
The manga applies that Hiruko attacks are like solving a puzzle in a way to dodge them specifically.[
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Sasuke may use his better speed to make up for it but thats not enough to solve the puzzle.
Someone brought up the Sasuke Shriuken spam too and here is what I said:
1. You brought up an interesting point of Sasuke shurikens. Indeed Sasuke can use his skills to block senbons that way he did with Itachi. But we have to be honest with out selfs at the end of the day. Sasuke doing that is only stalling the attacks. Who do you think will run out of tools first in this fight? The answer is obvious. Hiruko packs more tools then Sasuke to eventually Sasuke has to engage into doing something else, after running out [
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Here is concerning using the Sharingan to read movements:
Also the Sharingan has not been able to predict object as well as people. Because the mechanics are completely different: since the muscles have a certain delay to move, the Sharingan should see that and anticipate the movements accordingly; the problem is that what I just explained doesn't happen with a projectile/object, so I don't think the Sharingan will be useful vs. traps. Thus leaves Sasuke relying on his Speed to successfully dodge the traps.
Here is concerning using Raiton:
If Sasuke is not going to be using MS in this situation but rely on Raiton attacks to penetrate Hiruko it will only make Sasuke more vulnerable to Sasori's sebons and tail, because Sasori does not feel pain.[
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3. I mention the concerns of using Raiton to beat Hiruko. If penetrating does not hit the "bulls eye" then its useless, but will break Hiruko (And Sasori will self-repair). This quote, Ill elaborate a tiny bit. Sasori can still use a sneaky booby-trap before the use of Hiruko is over.
Your the first person to address using his bird summon to counter Hiruko but I will have to say the same thing when conserning using Shiruken spam, that is only
stalling and only risking getting scratch.
The whole purpose concerning Hiruko premise was to show that Sasuke has to rely MS from the beginning, or risk the chance of being poison. Thats all, it wasn't to say he loses from here.
The thing is, all Sasuke has to do is look at his target to burn it. Blocks of iron sand in Sasuke's direction aren't neutralizing amaterasu as Sasuke doesn't have to look directly at those blocks. However, Sasuke will now need susanoo to fight against Sasori as amaterasu would give Sasori and opportunity to finish Sasuke off.
All Danzo has to do is grow a tree out of his arm whereas the 3rd Kazekage has to gather the iron sand and then block it.
I don't understand, the jutsu can only spawn to the area that it is looking directly. If the Iron Sand is in front of Sasori, the jutsu will not go behind the Sand to hit Sasori. But yes I agree with the rest of the sentence.
Sasuke could cover his susanoo with enton like he did against Ay so your trick of restraining susanoo with iron sand is rendered useless as I doubt Sasori can effectively control iron sand while it is burning and melting due to the flames of amaterasu. Even DSM Kabuto's muki tensei was rendered useless once Sasuke used amaterasu in the cave.
Good counter. But I question if he is spawning Enton, while putting up a full Sussanoo, wouldn't that be too much as to him using Amaterasu?
Which mean he is using 2 MS techs at once, which then he needs a "cool-down" to maintain Sussanoo again?
There is a scan which shows that Chiyo had the time to pull up a chakra shield to protect against this tactic of yours. Not to mention that with the lower levels of susanoo, Sasuke could still move out of the way. He can predict the attack as I'm sure the sharingan can see or sense a disturbance underground if Sasori is transporting iron underneath the ground.
Chiyo knows so much about Iron Sand. She even grab Sakura in time with Mom puppet before the jutsu was used. She saw it coming. So foot wise she is not able to dodged it. Defensive-wise, without moving, is still possible. As for predicting I commented that the Sharingan cannot precog Mechanical stuff, as to Chakra and Muscle movement.
But it is possible to use Sharingan to see an underground move maybe. I have my reasons that he won't. First is that Sasori converts his chakra into Magnetism. If its converted does that still make him see it? Second, Kakashi should of saw Kakuzu's hand underground since its basically controlled by chakra.[
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So im not 100% sure. Its still a pretty good counter though
I admit defeat. This cheap tactic would get the better of Sasuke and I have no counter. Although Sasuke doesn't need his iron weapons to defeat Sasori but since he will bring them by default, I guess Sasori wins.
I agree...
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Sasuke had his back against Danzo which is why he couldn't dodge the wind bullets so Sasori catching Sasuke off guard like that won't work unless Sasuke starts to lose to MS strain.
I had a feeling someone would say that but I still think its valid even if ts coming to his face because of two reason.
1.Iron Sand can move much faster then Danzo's attack
2.Iron Sand displayed more bullets and covered more range
So that conclusion should at least say Sasuke gets scratch still.
Lol the hundred puppets are a target to a sustained batch of amaterasu and then enton control will suffice in burning the rest. Not to mention that once the flames start burning those puppets, they will spread and Sasori's demise is ensured.
True but Sasori can use it them while burning. Having them crash on Sasuke for better damage/ use the flames against him, etc. Thats alot to flame too.
Thanks for bring your opinion on the table , rep.
