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Danzo is the student of madara and when madara is dead fighting shodaime danzo took his sharingan eye
also danzo is the mizukage and act like he is madara and in the last chapter Danzo is the hokage of all kage so its big trouble
also danzo is the mizukage and act like he is madara and in the last chapter Danzo is the hokage of all kage so its big trouble
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Hi guys I'm a long time reader and first time poster. I've formulated something I believe to be a somewhat new theory or a compilation.
First I would like to begin with what I believe to be a misconception about the sharingan. I don't believe it is necessary to kill your best friend or even think that it was your fault in order to gain the MS, rather it may be involved with witnessing the death of a close one and the emotions involved. If you think about it we have witnessed three characters that we know have used the MS directly in the manga and all three have that in common. Itachi who may or may not have killed Shisui but was definitely there, Kakashi who witnessed the death of Obito after gaining the sharingan, and finally Sasuke after his fight with Itachi.
I think that Sasuke gained the MS when he witnessed Orochimaru's death at the hands of Itachi. The only reason why it didn't manifest itself at that moment in time was because Sasuke was out of chakra. We know this because that was the only reason Orochimaru was able to escape in the first place. When Itachi transplanted his eye techniques into Sasuke he knew that Oro's death would activate the MS and he would be able to use them.
Kakashi may have not manifested the MS for a long time for a few reasons. First when he first got the sharingan it only had two tomoes and it's probable that you can't just skip three tomoes because the MS design is based on a triangular shape. Second his body was not meant to have the sharingan so it could be extremely difficult to unlock MS techniques and require lots of training. Third the training involved could require seeing how a MS user molds the chakra in order to use any techs, which would have been after his first fight with Itachi a.k.a. right before the time skip. A non-natural sharingan user may not have the same trigger that Sasuke had when he first used Amaterasu.
The theory itself is this:
1. What if every indication is correct and Madara is really behind the nine-tails attack? He was trying to destroy the village completely.
2. As a result of the attack the Uchihas where blamed seeing as they have a technique to control the fox in the first place.
3. At this point no one in the village including Danzo knows who was really behind the attacks, but cautious as he is, he sees who may be responsible, the Uchiha clan.
4. He distances them and works his magic as he always does, and soon tension between the clan is at an all time high.
5.Madara takes this opportunity to accomplish two goals, to wipe out a clan that betrayed him in the past and to erase any threat that someone in that clan will rise up and rival his own powers.
6. As the Uchiha clan plots to overthrow konoha, Danzo and Tobi (Madara) are in contact and plot secretly to slaughter them.
7. Itachi is caught in the middle of the conflict between the village and his clan. Itachi sides with the village because he wants to avoid conflict and as a result the third asked him to keep an eye on the clan and on Danzo who the third did not trust. One night while the rest of clan was in a meeting Itachi and his teammate Shisui went to track Danzo and saw him meeting with Tobi to plot the clans demise. They are caught and Shisui soon dies in the fight.
8. Rather than die Itachi surrenders himself. (At this point Itachi was strong, but there is no way he could stand a chance against Madara.) Madara and Danzo both need a scapegoat, Danzo could be in no way involved, and Madara in that time was lurking in the shadows and could not afford to be known. They offer Itachi life in exchange to taking responsibility for the slaying of his own clan. Seeing no other way the agrees under one condition, that Sasuke be spared. Danzo quickly disagrees but Madara sees a use for both of them a.k.a. the EMS.
9. Madara does the Killing while at the end Itachi sees to it that Sasuke believes that it was him who slayed the clan. He does this so that should Itachi fails in killing Madara, Sasuke will be strong enough to finish him.
10. Danzo takes Shisui's eye preserving one of his own so his chakra will not be drained as much. Shisui's power to control people's action follows his eye. Soon Danzo finds one of the sides of his body debilitated. (This is why he wanted access to Orochimaru's research, there may be a way to negate that effect in his resurection technique.)
11. Itachi is forced to join Madara as his village does not want him. He enters and acts as an informant to possibly Jiraya or someone else and studies ways to defeat Madara's tech.
Itachi's gift to Naruto may not be a weapon or defense, but rather a genjutsu that activates when Sasuke tries to use MS. Something to act as a backup in case his original plan failed. It could be like a lock and key. He gave "gifts" to both of them. It may in detail explain what really happened that night so long ago and give both of them information about Madara and how to possibly defeat him. (Itachi was already too weak to fight him himself.) This would go in the tradition of Naruto winning fights not physically but rather through words.
Both Itachi and Madara had reasons for misleading Sasuke and in turn the readers. Itachi wanted Sasuke to believe that both him and Madara slayed his clan and that after getting his revenge that to not hold ill will against Konoha. It would have put Sasuke on the right path and ended alot of conflict. Madara wants Sasuke to continue down his path of revenge a.k.a. the path of evil so he can use him for his own plans. As a result he implicates not only Danzo but the third and his advisors and futher more the whole village. Madara would in this case reach his original goal of destroying the village and still keep himself in the shadows and thus able to keep his ultimate goal easier to obtain.
First I would like to begin with what I believe to be a misconception about the sharingan. I don't believe it is necessary to kill your best friend or even think that it was your fault in order to gain the MS, rather it may be involved with witnessing the death of a close one and the emotions involved. If you think about it we have witnessed three characters that we know have used the MS directly in the manga and all three have that in common. Itachi who may or may not have killed Shisui but was definitely there, Kakashi who witnessed the death of Obito after gaining the sharingan, and finally Sasuke after his fight with Itachi.
I think that Sasuke gained the MS when he witnessed Orochimaru's death at the hands of Itachi. The only reason why it didn't manifest itself at that moment in time was because Sasuke was out of chakra. We know this because that was the only reason Orochimaru was able to escape in the first place. When Itachi transplanted his eye techniques into Sasuke he knew that Oro's death would activate the MS and he would be able to use them.
Kakashi may have not manifested the MS for a long time for a few reasons. First when he first got the sharingan it only had two tomoes and it's probable that you can't just skip three tomoes because the MS design is based on a triangular shape. Second his body was not meant to have the sharingan so it could be extremely difficult to unlock MS techniques and require lots of training. Third the training involved could require seeing how a MS user molds the chakra in order to use any techs, which would have been after his first fight with Itachi a.k.a. right before the time skip. A non-natural sharingan user may not have the same trigger that Sasuke had when he first used Amaterasu.
The theory itself is this:
1. What if every indication is correct and Madara is really behind the nine-tails attack? He was trying to destroy the village completely.
2. As a result of the attack the Uchihas where blamed seeing as they have a technique to control the fox in the first place.
3. At this point no one in the village including Danzo knows who was really behind the attacks, but cautious as he is, he sees who may be responsible, the Uchiha clan.
4. He distances them and works his magic as he always does, and soon tension between the clan is at an all time high.
5.Madara takes this opportunity to accomplish two goals, to wipe out a clan that betrayed him in the past and to erase any threat that someone in that clan will rise up and rival his own powers.
6. As the Uchiha clan plots to overthrow konoha, Danzo and Tobi (Madara) are in contact and plot secretly to slaughter them.
7. Itachi is caught in the middle of the conflict between the village and his clan. Itachi sides with the village because he wants to avoid conflict and as a result the third asked him to keep an eye on the clan and on Danzo who the third did not trust. One night while the rest of clan was in a meeting Itachi and his teammate Shisui went to track Danzo and saw him meeting with Tobi to plot the clans demise. They are caught and Shisui soon dies in the fight.
8. Rather than die Itachi surrenders himself. (At this point Itachi was strong, but there is no way he could stand a chance against Madara.) Madara and Danzo both need a scapegoat, Danzo could be in no way involved, and Madara in that time was lurking in the shadows and could not afford to be known. They offer Itachi life in exchange to taking responsibility for the slaying of his own clan. Seeing no other way the agrees under one condition, that Sasuke be spared. Danzo quickly disagrees but Madara sees a use for both of them a.k.a. the EMS.
9. Madara does the Killing while at the end Itachi sees to it that Sasuke believes that it was him who slayed the clan. He does this so that should Itachi fails in killing Madara, Sasuke will be strong enough to finish him.
10. Danzo takes Shisui's eye preserving one of his own so his chakra will not be drained as much. Shisui's power to control people's action follows his eye. Soon Danzo finds one of the sides of his body debilitated. (This is why he wanted access to Orochimaru's research, there may be a way to negate that effect in his resurection technique.)
11. Itachi is forced to join Madara as his village does not want him. He enters and acts as an informant to possibly Jiraya or someone else and studies ways to defeat Madara's tech.
Itachi's gift to Naruto may not be a weapon or defense, but rather a genjutsu that activates when Sasuke tries to use MS. Something to act as a backup in case his original plan failed. It could be like a lock and key. He gave "gifts" to both of them. It may in detail explain what really happened that night so long ago and give both of them information about Madara and how to possibly defeat him. (Itachi was already too weak to fight him himself.) This would go in the tradition of Naruto winning fights not physically but rather through words.
Both Itachi and Madara had reasons for misleading Sasuke and in turn the readers. Itachi wanted Sasuke to believe that both him and Madara slayed his clan and that after getting his revenge that to not hold ill will against Konoha. It would have put Sasuke on the right path and ended alot of conflict. Madara wants Sasuke to continue down his path of revenge a.k.a. the path of evil so he can use him for his own plans. As a result he implicates not only Danzo but the third and his advisors and futher more the whole village. Madara would in this case reach his original goal of destroying the village and still keep himself in the shadows and thus able to keep his ultimate goal easier to obtain.
Best. Line. Ever.
I think that has already been confirmed. I think it was tobi who said that it just takes the death of somebody close to you. Gets me thinking that for all we know it might have been tobi's plan all along.
Itachi didn't kill orochimaru. Sasuke killed orochimaru. So that idea is completely out the window.
We know that obito only had two tomoes itself. Due to the fact that kakashi isn't naturally a sharingan user, I find myself agreeing with this point. It would be more difficult for kakashi to even use MS.
We can assume this from what we've seen and it all seems plausible. I agree with you on this point.
We can't really prove any of that, but it could have happened, and it would make sense considering the recent explanations of things. Danzo has the eyes of shinsui I think(if the recent spoiler is correct).
I would like to start by saying Hello, this is my first time posting on this site. I'd like to share one of my Danzou theories that is relatively messy in terms of order but bare with me, tell me what you think.
Part one of my theory
My theory with Danzou is that after Itachi left and joined Akatsuki, Danzou made a deal with Orochimaru to wage war on the Hidden Leaf using the Suna so that Orochimaru could kill the 3rd for him since he pledged that he would protect Sasuke to Itachi. So when the 3rd hokage died, Itachi came back to the Hidden Leaf to show Danzou and the other Elders (who probably had roles in this as well) that he is alive and Sasuke still have a protector, but not only a protector but a real Sharingan user. After this, Danozu really didn't have any chance to assassinate Sasuke in some way because he left the village soon after and went to Orochimaru. Which three things happened at this point:
Orochimaru: Things are going according to plan for him because hes got his new vessel.
Itachi: Things are going fine for him because he have 2 and a half years before Orochimaru can try anything, and he most likely knew Sasuke wouldn't let him take his body.
Danzou: This wasn't part of the plan, which is why he sent Sai to assassinate Sasuke before Orochimaru could get the body, the note Sai gave Orochimaru most likely mentioned the name Danzou which is why he allowed him to even enter his hideout.
Sai's missionwas unsuccessful, but now the events now that are currently happening are helping Danzou's side in this story once again. At this point he is trying to erase anyone that had any knowing of the dealings with Orochimaru that he has made in the past by killing Kabuto and Anko.
Part two of my theory above
Starting to think about back when Tobi said "My powers, Uchiha Madara's powers", I' wondering why would he talk in third person? Maybe there is a person that is controlling Tobi's body (in this case im speculating Danzou via Shishui's jutsu) is planning on using his powers with
Madara's powers. Which is probably why he wants Sasuke to get so strong so that he can gain a second Sharingan with the powers of a uchiha of the level of Madara. It may be that Danzou is using this "Tobi" character to get what he wants and stay hidden.
Another Theory regarding Nagato this time. In the past when Danzou and Hanzou teamed up to kill Nagato, Yahiko and Konan, had plan was to kill Nagato so that he wouldn't have any competition when he had his plans complete. But since he became leader of Akatsuki, he decided to use him and at the same time kill him. He did this by sending him on a blind mission to capture Naruto in which he hoped he would be killed but at the same time not prevail at his mission and kill Tsunade. Though he didn't kill Tsunade, he did the next best thing put her in a coma. After this, Nagato tells Naruto that he doesn't trust Tobi and he must be stopped. Which deep down he felt suspecious of him.
If you ask me, if this is all true in my theory, everything is going according to plan. And theres actually 1 true villain in this series and I probably have to give Kishimoto some credit with this one.
Part one of my theory
My theory with Danzou is that after Itachi left and joined Akatsuki, Danzou made a deal with Orochimaru to wage war on the Hidden Leaf using the Suna so that Orochimaru could kill the 3rd for him since he pledged that he would protect Sasuke to Itachi. So when the 3rd hokage died, Itachi came back to the Hidden Leaf to show Danzou and the other Elders (who probably had roles in this as well) that he is alive and Sasuke still have a protector, but not only a protector but a real Sharingan user. After this, Danozu really didn't have any chance to assassinate Sasuke in some way because he left the village soon after and went to Orochimaru. Which three things happened at this point:
Orochimaru: Things are going according to plan for him because hes got his new vessel.
Itachi: Things are going fine for him because he have 2 and a half years before Orochimaru can try anything, and he most likely knew Sasuke wouldn't let him take his body.
Danzou: This wasn't part of the plan, which is why he sent Sai to assassinate Sasuke before Orochimaru could get the body, the note Sai gave Orochimaru most likely mentioned the name Danzou which is why he allowed him to even enter his hideout.
Sai's missionwas unsuccessful, but now the events now that are currently happening are helping Danzou's side in this story once again. At this point he is trying to erase anyone that had any knowing of the dealings with Orochimaru that he has made in the past by killing Kabuto and Anko.
Part two of my theory above
Starting to think about back when Tobi said "My powers, Uchiha Madara's powers", I' wondering why would he talk in third person? Maybe there is a person that is controlling Tobi's body (in this case im speculating Danzou via Shishui's jutsu) is planning on using his powers with
Madara's powers. Which is probably why he wants Sasuke to get so strong so that he can gain a second Sharingan with the powers of a uchiha of the level of Madara. It may be that Danzou is using this "Tobi" character to get what he wants and stay hidden.
Another Theory regarding Nagato this time. In the past when Danzou and Hanzou teamed up to kill Nagato, Yahiko and Konan, had plan was to kill Nagato so that he wouldn't have any competition when he had his plans complete. But since he became leader of Akatsuki, he decided to use him and at the same time kill him. He did this by sending him on a blind mission to capture Naruto in which he hoped he would be killed but at the same time not prevail at his mission and kill Tsunade. Though he didn't kill Tsunade, he did the next best thing put her in a coma. After this, Nagato tells Naruto that he doesn't trust Tobi and he must be stopped. Which deep down he felt suspecious of him.
If you ask me, if this is all true in my theory, everything is going according to plan. And theres actually 1 true villain in this series and I probably have to give Kishimoto some credit with this one.
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Holy Cowboy
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With the release of the newest chapter. There goes Danzou = Madara theories. Night all. *heads to bed*
I jus thought that maybe different ppl unlock it in different ways. Like ita
Would by loosin his friend but like mada, sasu would have unlocked it by his hatred toward the village. If that is the case then Danzou would unlock it with his despiration for power. And kakashi's will to protect the village if you get what i mean
Would by loosin his friend but like mada, sasu would have unlocked it by his hatred toward the village. If that is the case then Danzou would unlock it with his despiration for power. And kakashi's will to protect the village if you get what i mean
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YES!!! Part of Shisui is in Danzou!!
I CALLED IT! Woot woot! I actually predicted something!! OH yeeeeah!!
(NOTE: I realize that a lot of Danzou theories had to do with Shisui. I'm not saying that I inspired those theories; I simply theorized that Shisui's sharingan was in Danzou before I saw any of the other theories.)
So be happy for me XD
I CALLED IT! Woot woot! I actually predicted something!! OH yeeeeah!!
(NOTE: I realize that a lot of Danzou theories had to do with Shisui. I'm not saying that I inspired those theories; I simply theorized that Shisui's sharingan was in Danzou before I saw any of the other theories.)
So be happy for me XD
gratz man.... i still think it would be reat for the plot of the story though if Danzou = Fugakau, with him having shisui's arm and eye that would be another great plot twist.... but i doubt it will happen.......YES!!! Part of Shisui is in Danzou!!
I CALLED IT! Woot woot! I actually predicted something!! OH yeeeeah!!
(NOTE: I realize that a lot of Danzou theories had to do with Shisui. I'm not saying that I inspired those theories; I simply theorized that Shisui's sharingan was in Danzou before I saw any of the other theories.)
So be happy for me XD
Kishi is more of a one plot twist..... twisted many times over kinda guy
Dean-Winchester
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noo fuggaku was a matermind who planned 2 take over konha danzo orderd the clan to b exterminated
iii think since its sayin danzo sharigan was the1 controling yagura the 4th mizukage
i think he made the attack on konha wit the 9 tails
mackjack405
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yep shisui's sharingan is another reason i think danzo is tobi. he was manipulating sasuke which is why we kept seeing his sharingan. also there was the time kakashi saw the sharingan. was he being manipulating in some way also i wonder.:hypertobi:YES!!! Part of Shisui is in Danzou!!
I CALLED IT! Woot woot! I actually predicted something!! OH yeeeeah!!
(NOTE: I realize that a lot of Danzou theories had to do with Shisui. I'm not saying that I inspired those theories; I simply theorized that Shisui's sharingan was in Danzou before I saw any of the other theories.)
So be happy for me XD