MS Obito > MS Itachi .

[Dantee]

Dat sentence structure LOL

I noticed it too, but I thought it sounded better like that anyway! Haha xd.

 

[Draphsin]

I always use logic .

Which is good because most other "char A > char B" threads are full of wank.

 

[Avery Namikaze]

When Itachi can solo BM Naruto, MS Kakashi, Guy, and Bee

Lets talk ITachi fanboys

I'm a little late but solo'd? I didn't realize fighting with 7 bijuus was considered solo. I guess I'm just stupid though. Besides Obito didn't defeat them...merely held them off when they're real focus was freeing the tailed beasts.

 

[stoikis]

the crybabe obito wins mid diff.
1 He was itachi's mentor so he knows everything about him.
2 Superior Katon,stamina,genjutsu(yagura,nina tails,the genjutsu he use on konan)
3 KAMUI which makes all itachi's techniques useless.
4 Itachi didn't know much about obito's arsenal

 

[ssjsage]

it could go either way depends on what strategy each one uses. either way it will not be easy for obito or itachi

 

[Xlad]

MS Obito wins this one.

 

[Flawž]

This was common sense back then, still is.

14 year old Ms obito with kyuubi > itachi.

Ms obito > itachi.

 

[Trollasaur]

I'm a little late but solo'd? I didn't realize fighting with 7 bijuus was considered solo. I guess I'm just stupid though. Besides Obito didn't defeat them...merely held them off when they're real focus was freeing the tailed beasts.

Chapter 595, go

and bijju are his power

obito wasn't even trying btw

 

[itachi4real]

Chapter 595, go

and bijju are his power

obito wasn't even trying btw

but thats wasn't MS obito were we not talking about MS obito

 

[VongolaX]

manofc obito's gonna be strong if he was taught by madara no one has taught itachi amaterasu or tsukuyomi or susanoo or other s*** he learned most of it on his own but what forbidden uchiha techs has he ??

Regardless the real madara taught obito the techniques of OP

Even itachi said that "madara," or really known as obito was his teacher.

Obito taught itachi forbidden uchiha techniques

 

[Naijakid]

Itachi has no counter for kamui

 

[Anub]

I'm going to explain why Obito > MS Itachi .

I'm gonna start from the three great techs of Mangekyou Sharingan of Itachi .

First one - Tsukuyomi .

Itachi said that no one but Uchihas break the Tsukuyomi .

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We know that Obito is an Uchiha , and Obito can break it . But maybe obito has knowledge on it , and it knows how to counter it in another ways . like Sasuke . Hell , Sasuke was a 3 tomow user , Obito is MS user , I think that Obito would have it pretty easy to break it .

I have to admit that this part upset me the most.

1. The scan doesn't say that only an uchiha can break tsukuyomi, it says that only an uchiha can beat him. Also, that was just Itachi talking sh*t because he defeated all of the uchihas and he waited for Sasuke to defeat him ... so everything was planned. Obito himself stated that he would be dead if Itachi knew more about him...now THAT is manga fact.

2. Sasuke didn't break the genjutsu. Itachi let him out. It's only logical that Itachi never wanted Sasuke to ACTUALLY get trapped forever in the genjutsu and if he wanted to hurt him, he would have.

3. No way in hell anyone would break out of tsukuyomi easily. I don't care how smart you are in real life, I will never respect you or anyone who honestly believes that all you need is and MS or 3tomoe sharingan and you're safe as far as genjutsu goes. Nothing personal, but I thought this matter was resolved a few years ago when the forum was debating wether Itachi let Sasuke escape or not. He DID. No clear indication that he did, except for the fact that he WANTED Sasuke to kill him...you only need logic from that point onwards. Or if you believe that the whole fight was a huge coincidence and that Sasuke got pushed to his limits thanks to his strength/skills, then you must read a simpler manga (again, not picking on you, just generalizing).

 

[KidGamer65]

I have to admit that this part upset me the most.

1. The scan doesn't say that only an uchiha can break tsukuyomi, it says that only an uchiha can beat him. Also, that was just Itachi talking sh*t because he defeated all of the uchihas and he waited for Sasuke to defeat him ... so everything was planned. Obito himself stated that he would be dead if Itachi knew more about him...now THAT is manga fact.

Surely your reading comprehension can't be this poor. He said an Uchiha can only beat him since Tsukuyomi can't be broken, hence he is saying an Uchiha can break Tsukuyomi. Its not that hard to understand. Databook says the same thing.

 

[Anub]

Surely your reading comprehension can't be this poor. He said an Uchiha can only beat him since Tsukuyomi can't be broken, hence he is saying an Uchiha can break Tsukuyomi. Its not that hard to understand. Databook says the same thing.

Databook has no value on me. And if I'm not wrong, doesn't the databook suggest that one should have a higher level of sharingan to break out of genjutsu?

That scan right there can also be understood in a different way. Surely you're not suggesting that the English language is so unilateral?

Itachi mentioned his tsukiyomi saying that, and I quote, "It cannot be beaten". Then, he proceeded to suggesting that only an Uchiha would be able to defeat him. Be it because only an uchiha can break the jutsu, or because an uchiha would know more about it, thus avoiding it, or that an uchiha (of the same level) could not be affected, or whatever possibility. But as long as it doesn't say "only an uchiha can break this jutsu", then I am free to interpret whatever.

And if I'm really pushy, I would also like to say that Itachi lied a lot during part I, stated by Kabuto if I remember correctly (and Obito as well). And Obito himself admitted that Itachi would have been able to kill him.

And you haven't referred to my other points.

 

[KidGamer65]

Databook has no value on me. And if I'm not wrong, doesn't the databook suggest that one should have a higher level of sharingan to break out of genjutsu?

That scan right there can also be understood in a different way. Surely you're not suggesting that the English language is so unilateral?

Itachi mentioned his tsukiyomi saying that, and I quote, "It cannot be beaten". Then, he proceeded to suggesting that only an Uchiha would be able to defeat him. Be it because only an uchiha can break the jutsu, or because an uchiha would know more about it, thus avoiding it, or that an uchiha (of the same level) could not be affected, or whatever possibility. But as long as it doesn't say "only an uchiha can break this jutsu", then I am free to interpret whatever.

And if I'm really pushy, I would also like to say that Itachi lied a lot during part I, stated by Kabuto if I remember correctly (and Obito as well). And Obito himself admitted that Itachi would have been able to kill him.

And you haven't referred to my other points.

Whether it does have value on it or not is irrelevant. Its fact. That is all that matters.

Spoiler

Databook 2 - Tsukuyomi:
NINJUTSU; KEKKEI GENKAI; Tsukuyomi
User: Uchiha Itachi
Supplementary; Close range; Rank: none

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Amidst the insight and hypnosis possessed by Sharingan, is a supreme genjutsu, born from the aforementioned hypnosis: Tsukuyomi. Originally, people on the face of the Earth live bound by limitations like time, gravity, and space; and how people exert their abilities within those restrictions is what separates the victors from the vanquished. But in the mental world where the caster drags their opponent, the Tsukuyomi jutsu gives them control over those very limitations!

Namely, this means inside the genjutsu, the physical world's common sense is completely irrelevant and opposing the caster is impossible. Somebody caught into the Tsukuyomi find themselves into a strange world of infinity, their fate entirely lying inside the caster's hands. Some time, they will undergo the torments of Hell, and some other time, they will be repeatedly shown a horrendous, hellish picture of agony and mayhem*, with no idea of when either of those will end. As a result, the poor prisoner can only wait until the collapse of their psyches...!! Even a body made of iron or the speed of light are powerless before this jutsu, which is the reason why it is feared as the most powerful.

Sharingan is the Kekkei Genkai of the clan labelled as the most powerful, the Uchiha clan. Even among those who have Sharingan, that jutsu cannot be operated without having Mangekyou, which is its culminating point. Concurrently, the only ones who can defeat Tsukuyomi are Sharingan possessors... And even then, exclusively the elite shinobi who have reached particularly high degrees of skillfulness. Once could say this is truly a God-given jutsu solely allowed to those blessed with Uchiha blood and prodigious aptitudes.

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-An inner hell as eternal as Heaven and Earth. The grip held onto the principles of all creation thoroughly annihilates one's heart and soul!!

-The ultimate doujutsu made possible only by Mangekyou Sharingan.

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-The moment the adversary is exposed to Mangekyou Sharingan, a strange realm as they've never seen before extends before their eyes. In there, the world's principles themselves obey the caster's beck and call.

-Since attacks in the spiritual realm have no power to physically wound or kill, it bestows an unfathomable amount of mental damage.

-Only those of Uchiha blood... Does it mean only Sasuke has a chance to break a Tsukuyomi?

-The phenomena that happen inside of the mental realm are entirely the caster's to command. Which is to say, the images shown or the actions taken can be changed according to the opponent in order to yield maximum efficiency.

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Having a higher Level has nothing to do with it, especially considering Itachi is better at Kakashi and Sasuke at Genjutsu, but they were both able to see through his 3-Tomoe Genjutsu. (It was hinted Kakashi can since Itachi went straight for Tsukuyomi)

Sure, the scan can be interpreted in a different way and I agree that the English language isn't unilateral, but it doesn't change the fact that one and only one interpretation is right. What you believe or what you think it said doesn't matter. Why would Itachi say only a Sharingan user with the same blood as him can break Tsukuyomi if he was referring to knowledge on the jutsu? Your interpretations don't even make any sense.

"It cannot be beaten" to how his Tsukuyomi can't beaten, then he goes on to say only a Sharingan user with the same blood as him can defeat him, clearly referring to how an Uchiha with Sharingan has the chance to break out of Tsukuyomi. Itachi's statement "It cannot be beaten" clearly shows he was referring to Tsukuyomi being broken, not anything else, that along with the Databook renders any interpretations you had on this scan false. Not to mention we have

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, which is superior to this translation and agrees with what I'm saying.

Itachi lying a lot doesn't mean you can say this is a lie even though there is absolutely nothing supporting that stance.

I didn't refer to the other two points cause I agree with them.

 

[Anub]

Whether it does have value on it or not is irrelevant. Its fact. That is all that matters.

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Having a higher Level has nothing to do with it, especially considering Itachi is better at Kakashi and Sasuke at Genjutsu, but they were both able to see through his 3-Tomoe Genjutsu. (It was hinted Kakashi can since Itachi went straight for Tsukuyomi)

Sure, the scan can be interpreted in a different way and I agree that the English language isn't unilateral, but it doesn't change the fact that one and only one interpretation is right. What you believe or what you think it said doesn't matter. Why would Itachi say only a Sharingan user with the same blood as him can break Tsukuyomi if he was referring to knowledge on the jutsu? Your interpretations don't even make any sense.

"It cannot be beaten" to how his Tsukuyomi can't beaten, then he goes on to say only a Sharingan user with the same blood as him can defeat him, clearly referring to how an Uchiha with Sharingan has the chance to break out of Tsukuyomi. Itachi's statement "It cannot be beaten" clearly shows he was referring to Tsukuyomi being broken, not anything else, that along with the Databook renders any interpretations you had on this scan false. Not to mention we have

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, which is superior to this translation and agrees with what I'm saying.

Itachi lying a lot doesn't mean you can say this is a lie even though there is absolutely nothing supporting that stance.

I didn't refer to the other two points cause I agree with them.

I think your interpretation of Itachi's words (in the scan might be wrong). You're suggesting that sharingan users cannot cast genjutsu on each other, while the manga clearly shows that (1) Itachi DID cast a genjutsu on Sasuke and (2) Obito who clearly has knowledge of the Uchiha has the intention of casting genjutsu on Sasuke and Madara as well, knowing full well how powerful they both are.

I would suggest that Itachi simply meant that you cannot cast genjutsu on someone with the same eye "level" (or power, etc).

And about Itachi lying... I cannot bring any solid evidence that Itachi was lying at that point in the manga, except for those 2 above which I just mentioned. You will disagree with me on this, but I still cannot agree to the fact that one of the strongest genjutsu can be broken by default if you're an uchiha, no matter how strong you are in genjutsu.

And (almost forgot) why the databook isn't of much value IMO is because things keep getting corrected. Wasn't amaterasu at one point in part I known as the strongest ninjutsu in the NV? Not to mention the databook's numeric values attributed to characters' traits.

 

[KidGamer65]

I think your interpretation of Itachi's words (in the scan might be wrong). You're suggesting that sharingan users cannot cast genjutsu on each other, while the manga clearly shows that (1) Itachi DID cast a genjutsu on Sasuke and (2) Obito who clearly has knowledge of the Uchiha has the intention of casting genjutsu on Sasuke and Madara as well, knowing full well how powerful they both are.

I would suggest that Itachi simply meant that you cannot cast genjutsu on someone with the same eye "level" (or power, etc).

Of course you can cast it, but anyone who is

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Being at the same level has nothing to do with it as Sasuke's Genjutsu skill was not and still isn't as good as Itachi's.

Did you really use Obito's Juubi powered Genjutsu as a rebuttal? Come on now.... 1. It should be obvious it doesn't apply. 2. Itachi said you can't cast Genjutsu on users of the same eyes, Obito is using the Juubi's eye to cast the Infinite Tsukuyomi, not his own Sharingan, and Madara/Sasuke don't have the Juubi's eyes so this point is null regardless.

And about Itachi lying... I cannot bring any solid evidence that Itachi was lying at that point in the manga, except for those 2 above which I just mentioned. You will disagree with me on this, but I still cannot agree to the fact that one of the strongest genjutsu can be broken by default if you're an uchiha, no matter how strong you are in genjutsu.

Its pretty clear that you have to be good enough with the Sharingan to break it. Obito is an Uchiha who has been tutored by Madara, its also clear he is good at Sharingan and Genjutsu in general considering that he was able to control Yagura, who was supposed to be a Perfect Jin in control of his Bijuu. Obito with no doubt can break out of Tsukuyomi via his MS.

Sasuke, whose eyes are stronger than Itachi's and a level above them, can also break it. Being strong in Genjutsu isn't a requirement for breaking Genjutsu, otherwise Itachi's Genjutsu would have fooled Sasuke in the scan I posted as Itachi>Sasuke in Genjutsu.

And (almost forgot) why the databook isn't of much value IMO is because things keep getting corrected. Wasn't amaterasu at one point in part I known as the strongest ninjutsu in the NV? Not to mention the databook's numeric values attributed to characters' traits.

-Hyperbole is used all the time in the Databooks.

-Databooks only go up to the current point of the manga, so even if Amaterasu was the strongest Ninjutsu in Part 1, more jutsu were revealed in Part 2 to null that statement.

The numeric values don't seem to have any flaw, though its not like it matters as that is a whole different section of the Databook. You can't use that to say everything else isn't of value.

 

[SeriousDogg]

What's you'r point? we all know that

MS Obito roflstomps Itachi,

Kamui
Mokuton
Best Genjutsu and Katon user

MS OBITO is insane.

 

[Netferarri]

Nice job mate, sounds reasonable.

 

[jorgelius]

whan an failed thread
mangekyo and 3 tomoe sharingan is same thing when it comes to breaking genjutsu, ems on the otherhand is different since brother ocular power is within eyes, obito is horrible genjutsu user and itachi is so far above him that obito dont break shit

then amaterasu... obito had to use izanagi. pic u used obito used izanagi not kamui.. kamui dont do shit when contact is made with amaterasu