[Theory] Mokuton not source of suppression abilities.

valandil988

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Latest chapter basically confirmed that Mokuton has exactly jack all to do with Hashirama's "suppression" abilities.



Near as I can tell while Mokuton can "absorb" chakra into itself much like the Shinju itself, Mokuton draws out chakra it doesn't suppress it like we saw Hashirama lay his "wooden" hands on the Kyuubi during his battle with Madara. Ie The Kyuubi wasn't "Absorbed" by his Mokuton but still Kurama was suppressed in some way.

Hashirama's suppression abilities come from his Sage mode. But its not some special ability that only he has, Naruto himself could do this if he knew how, in fact the ability is very similar to synching with Kurama for BSM.

Hashirama can when coming into contact either through his Mokuton or with his hand directly can synch his own Natural energy mix with the victim there by allowing him to absorb a massive amount of natural energy without destroying himself.

Yamato has only demonstrated the absorbing abilities of Mokuton not the suppression abilities of Hashirama.

Normally if Hashirama tried to do this he would suffer the petrification like the stone toads from taking in too much nature energy, but by using the victims reserves as a base he can create an equally powerful mass of chakra which he can then over balance with his own chakra. Hence why Hashirama could suppress the chakra of beings that should be massively more powerful than any Ninja, example Kurama.

Honestly the ability would only work on people with stupidly massive chakra reserves.....People like juubito currently is.

Conclusion:

Hashirama's ability to suppress chakra comes only from Sage mode.

I propose that Madara is planning on using this ability to suppress Obito's chakra and somehow take control of the jutsu away from him, he won't gain the Juubi but he will gain control of the Genjutsu that is currently forming. Madara never cared about obtaining "unlimited power" he did however care about obtaining unlimited control. Ie whats the point of having the juubi if you control the Genjutsu that will control the world?
 
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Okay. How Yamato was able to suppress Kyuubi's chakra then, if he didn't have Sage Mode?
 

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Okay. How Yamato was able to suppress Kyuubi's chakra then, if he didn't have Sage Mode?

He didn't suppress it, did you not read the full post? Yamato is only shown to absorb Kyuubi chakra using his Mokuton....Absorption not suppression.
 

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First, yes, I read all the post.

Now, hmmm... likely, to say. It is a good possibility.

But there is the possibility of suppression being equal to absorption under the point of view that the beasts chakra can be absorbed until certain point, but beasts can regenerate their chakra when they pose to collect chakra (as Kurama does inside Naruto).
 

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Me thinks you don't know what suppression means.

Suppression is the act being preformed we already know how it (the justu) actually works thanks to the latest chapter.

And sage mode had nothing to do with it

Sager mode is a multiplier and works wonders with mokuton since mokuton in itself is brimming with psychical energy (Yang) to sustain it
 

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First, yes, I read all the post.

Now, hmmm... likely, to say. It is a good possibility.

But there is the possibility of suppression being equal to absorption under the point of view that the beasts chakra can be absorbed until certain point, but beasts can regenerate their chakra when they pose to collect chakra (as Kurama does inside Naruto).

True, sorry its just you sometimes get people just reading the summary :p

Your right it is easy to get confused between absorption and suppression, but thats the only way I can see Hashirama's suppression abilities working...you now without some kinda hax concept lol. It also explains why Hashirama's abilities to suppress Biju were so much more advanced than Yamato, who only just managed to absorb a 4 tailed cloak lol. Hashirama could match any level of chakra no matter how powerful it was. Imagine if you could turn your enemies to stone just by touching them....that's the real power of Sage mode I'm guessing.
 

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The manga said that Yamato suppressed Kurama's chakra, not absorbed...so I think this ability comes with mokuton itself...but nice read...and nice theory...I'll give you a rep...Keep making theories...
 

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Me thinks you don't know what suppression means.

Suppression is the act being preformed we already know how it (the justu) actually works thanks to the latest chapter.

And sage mode had nothing to do with it

Sager mode is a multiplier and works wonders with mokuton since mokuton in itself is brimming with psychical energy (Yang) to sustain it


uhhh right....Okay are you reading a different manga or something because nothing in the manga has been explained about Mokuton + Suppression abilities yet. All we know is Madara is some how going to use Hashirama's Sage mode against Obito....the only way I can see how is this way.
 

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The manga said that Yamato suppressed Kurama's chakra, not absorbed...so I think this ability comes with mokuton itself...but nice read...and nice theory...I'll give you a rep...Keep making theories...

True, I've looked at the initial instances of Mokuton use on Naruto...From what I can tell Mokuton....as in wood absorbs chakra like the Shinju, and the Chakra crystal that naruto used to wear Yamato specifically states was the only thing that gave him the needed help to actually "suppress" Kyuubi chakra. But it wasn't an innate ability of his Mokuton from what I can tell.
 

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True, sorry its just you sometimes get people just reading the summary :p

Your right it is easy to get confused between absorption and suppression, but thats the only way I can see Hashirama's suppression abilities working...you now without some kinda hax concept lol. It also explains why Hashirama's abilities to suppress Biju were so much more advanced than Yamato, who only just managed to absorb a 4 tailed cloak lol. Hashirama could match any level of chakra no matter how powerful it was. Imagine if you could turn your enemies to stone just by touching them....that's the real power of Sage mode I'm guessing.

The problem I see in the argument of Yamato 'absorbing chakra' is that his wood would be turned into tree if this was the case.

Manga states that this ability is related to the Shodai Cells, not Shodai's Jutsus.

It uses the Naruto's Necklace as medium to take effect.



...ergo, the trigger for this should be Mokuton.
 

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The problem I see in the argument of Yamato 'absorbing chakra' is that his wood would be turned into tree if this was the case.

Manga states that this ability is related to the Shodai Cells, not Shodai's Jutsus.

It uses the Naruto's Necklace as medium to take effect.



...ergo, the trigger for this should be Mokuton.

The technique still absorbs chakra, but the Shodai's necklace I would be willing to bet was made using Senjutsu not ordinary chakra. Hashirama's cells are directly linked to Mokuton but not Sage mode. Thats why Yamato can't use his technique as well becuase its intended to be used in conjunction with Sage mode. But Because Yamato is a pseudo Hashi clone his chakra is so similar to the Shodai that he can "activate" the necklace that contains the senjutsu...That might have allowed Yamato to harness very limited suppressive abilities...
 
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The technique still absorbs chakra, but the Shodai's necklace I would be willing to bet was made using Senjutsu not ordinary chakra. Hashirama's cells are directly linked to Mokuton but not Sage mode. Thats why Yamato can't use his technique as well becuase its intended to be used in conjunction with Sage mode. But Because Yamato is a pseudo Hashi clone his chakra is so similar to the Shodai that he can "activate" the necklace that contains the senjutsu...That might have allowed Yamato to harness very limited suppressive abilities...

I don't know. Well, as I said earlier, it's a possibility, a good one.
 

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Hashirama absorbs and suppress chakra
 
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