[VS] Itachi vs Tobirama

[pateuvasiliu]

He only can sense with touching the ground... breaking line of sight what.??? He wouldn't even have enough time to do clones because intent is to kill he either uses his ftg seal or clones... Because he not doing both before Amaterasu hits him...

He also dosen't know about finger Genjutsu or Magatamas... Itachi takes this

Slap yourself with a cactus for the bold.

Underline = suitons. Water Wall.

Italic : Itachi would never start with Amaterasu. This is an IC fight.

He also dosen't know about finger Genjutsu or Magatamas

Both genjutsu and Magatamas can be dodged with FTG or clones.

 

[Misconception]

How exactly does that state Madara is superior?
They pushed each other. If Izuna was indeed weaker he wouldn't have been able to push back



That would mean Madara is fodder too because they are said to be equal before madara took izuna's eyes.
How is Madara beneath Itachi??
Madara has read the Uchiha tablet so he is aware of Izanami and Izanagi.
He also posses Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu. How? He posses susano'o so he is also able to use Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu. It is stated in the data book that both are required for susano'o.
Meaning, Tobirama has undountedly encountered both before. He won't be caught off guard like Sasuke was.

Minato better than Tobirama at FTG?
So how come Tobirama was able to use FTG to not only save but counter attack before Minato could jump??????
Crazy little place inside your mind.

My point with Edo Tensei and his subordinates was that he must have gained some feats with it if other were people were to recognize it as his technique immediately.

Counter for Amaterasu?
It can be sealed so if he can dodge the initial assault with it the Amaterasu can be sealed to avoid touching it later on.

Also, it can be dodged. Ay dodged it. Tobirama is faster than Ay when he uses FTG.

Lets start off with this Madara he dosen't have Amaterasu or Tsukuyomi... Amaterasu would have been very usefull against Hashirama's wood style why wouldn't Madara have used that on him.??? Tsukuyomi he could have displayed Tsukuyomi here...

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Why would he use anything less than Tsukuyomi on the kage he already said they deserve the name Kage... He knows Tsukuyomi could have put raikage out for the count... So what Edo's could Tobirama have revived if Et wasen't restricted.??? If were going by Databook logic then Itachi can't be harmed or touched

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[ITACHIUCHIA101]

Lets start off with this Madara dosen't have Amaterasu or Tsukuyomi... Amaterasu would have been very usefull against Hashirama's wood style why wouldn't Madara have used that on him.??? Tsukuyomi he could have displayed Tsukuyomi here...

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Why would he use anything less than Tsukuyomi on the kage he already said they deserve the name Kage... He knows Tsukuyomi could have put raikage out for the count... So what Edo's could Tobirama have revived if Et wasen't restricted.??? If were going by Databook logic then Itachi can't be harmed or touched

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Why would madara need to try against them?

Yeah, but it's not like Itachi can outlast Tobirama with susano'o O_O

Yeah, let's go with itachi being invinsible.
But only 3 uses of his mangekou sharingan brought him to his point in part one.
Do you have any proof he trained during the time skip?
Then you can't say this is still not true.

Not to mention using susano'o for as long as he did against sasuke was practically his downfall.
And if he wasn't holding back against Sasuke I doubt he would have hed it up as long as he did due to the amount of strain it puts on his body.

 

[Misconception]

Slap yourself with a cactus for the bold.

Underline = suitons. Water Wall.

Italic : Itachi would never start with Amaterasu. This is an IC fight.



Both genjutsu and Magatamas can be dodged with FTG or clones.

Intent is to kill so why wouldn't Itachi start off with Amaterasu.??? It's his quickest and most deadliest one shot Tech...
Give me a scan of him sensing without his finger on the ground... Itachi has sharingan he can see the chakra on Tobirama seals on the ground... Tobirama also dosen't have perfect clones so Itachi will know which is a fake or not... Finger Genjutsu can easily decide this...

 

[ITACHIUCHIA101]

]Intent is to kill so why wouldn't Itachi start off with Amaterasu.??? It's his quickest and most deadliest one shot Tech...[/B]
Give me a scan of him sensing without his finger on the ground... Itachi has sharingan he can see the chakra on Tobirama seals on the ground... Tobirama also dosen't have perfect clones so Itachi will know which is a fake or not... Finger Genjutsu can easily decide this...

Simply because Itachi's chakra reserves are pitiful and that would be such a waste.

 

[Fecal Matter]

How exactly does that state Madara is superior?
They pushed each other. If Izuna was indeed weaker he wouldn't have been able to push back

Where does it state dat Izuna = Madara in every way? jus cuz dey push each other doesn't mean dey equal.If izuna was madara's equal den tobirama could've beaten MS Madara.U said dey was equal i simply posted da scan where it doesn't state wat da NB translation states.

 

[Misconception]

Why would madara need to try against them?

Yeah, but it's not like Itachi can outlast Tobirama with susano'o O_O

Yeah, let's go with itachi being invinsible.
But only 3 uses of his mangekou sharingan brought him to his point in part one.
Do you have any proof he trained during the time skip?
Then you can't say this is still not true.

Not to mention using susano'o for as long as he did against sasuke was practically his downfall.
And if he wasn't holding back against Sasuke I doubt he would have hed it up as long as he did due to the amount of strain it puts on his body.

What he used Ps he even said it's his strongest tech what do you mean why would he try against them.???

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Yes he said he obtained his Susanoo later im pretty sure he didn't just fall asleep and wake up with it...

 

[ITACHIUCHIA101]

Where does it state dat Izuna = Madara in every way? jus cuz dey push each other doesn't mean dey equal.If izuna was madara's equal den tobirama could've beaten MS Madara.U said dey was equal i simply posted da scan where it doesn't state wat da NB translation states.

It states that they are bale to push eachother. Does that not hint at them being equals?
I thought it did..
We could make a thread asking the rest of NB what they thought about it.

If more people agree with you I will man up and accept it.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Intent is to kill so why wouldn't Itachi start off with Amaterasu.??? It's his quickest and most deadliest one shot Tech...
Give me a scan of him sensing without his finger on the ground... Itachi has sharingan he can see the chakra on Tobirama seals on the ground... Tobirama also dosen't have perfect clones so Itachi will know which is a fake or not... Finger Genjutsu can easily decide this...

Because it's an IC fight and Itachi using Amaterasu right off the bat is hardly IC.

Kakashi was IC to kill against Sasuke, did he Kamui his head off? No.

Bold = I won't bother. Reread the Manga if you haven't realised that Tobirama is a sensor.

Itachi has sharingan he can see the chakra on Tobirama seals on the ground

What good will that be?

Slap yourself for the underlined.

Finger Genjutsu can easily decide this...

not only is it featless, it can't catch Tobirama due to sensing, FTG, clones.

 

[ITACHIUCHIA101]

What he used Ps he even said it's his strongest tech what do you mean why would he try against them.???

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Yes he said he obtained his Susanoo later im pretty sure he didn't just fall asleep and wake up with it...

He used PS to show them just how above them he was. He was not in mortal danger, I assure you.

@Bold: It doesn't matter how much later it was. He did in fact have it when he fought Hashirama and I'm sure he had it before then judging by how well he used it. Even if by some mere coincidence Tobirama hasn't seen it I'm sure Hashirama was to tell his brother about it.

 

[Fecal Matter]

It states that they are bale to push eachother. Does that not hint at them being equals?
I thought it did..
We could make a thread asking the rest of NB what they thought about it.

If more people agree with you I will man up and accept it.

no it doesn't mean they're equals 2 me.there's always someone stronger, also da 2 by da looks of da scan never went all out against each other meaning dey only sparred with one another as training.Madara has always been shown 2 be da superior one lik most big bros are, he was da leader of da clan and most importantly its stated dat madara had powerful chakra and strong eyes.

u can make a tread on it if u really want 2 but the amount of things we've seen/heard about madara out weighs dis one tiny feat izuna has.

 

[Misconception]

Because it's an IC fight and Itachi using Amaterasu right off the bat is hardly IC.

Kakashi was IC to kill against Sasuke, did he Kamui his head off? No.

Bold = I won't bother. Reread the Manga if you haven't realised that Tobirama is a sensor.



What good will that be?

Slap yourself for the underlined.



not only is it featless, it can't catch Tobirama due to sensing, FTG, clones.

Sasuke was still Kakashi student so he would really never had the true intent to kill him don't be silly... So your just going to ignore that argument and assume he can sense without touching the ground... Now i ask you this if he can sense without touching the ground why in the world would he touch the ground anyways.??? It cought Naruto without Kakashi Sakura and chiyo noticing thats a feat...

He used PS to show them just how above them he was. He was not in mortal danger, I assure you.

@Bold: It doesn't matter how much later it was. He did in fact have it when he fought Hashirama and I'm sure he had it before then judging by how well he used it. Even if by some mere coincidence Tobirama hasn't seen it I'm sure Hashirama was to tell his brother about it.

What i was talking about Itachi not Madara... @Bold...

 

[pateuvasiliu]

So your just going to ignore that argument and assume he can sense without touching the ground.

No, I simply told you that I'm not going to bother looking for a scan because it's been proven several times Tobirama is a sensor.

 

[ITACHIUCHIA101]

Sasuke was still Kakashi student so he would really never had the true intent to kill him don't be silly... So your just going to ignore that argument and assume he can sense without touching the ground... Now i ask you this if he can sense without touching the ground why in the world would he touch the ground anyways.??? It cought Naruto without Kakashi Sakura and chiyo noticing thats a feat...

What i was talking about Itachi not Madara... @Bold...

Oh, well when you go about posting about Madara you can't just switch like that without warning :'(

 

[Misconception]

No, I simply told you that I'm not going to bother looking for a scan because it's been proven several times Tobirama is a sensor.

Can i atleast get a scan of that.???

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Can i atleast get a scan of that.???

Man I'm not going to search through 640 chapters.

- He sensed Oro was full of Hashirama's DNA

- He sensed Madara's chakra from half the world away

 

[blazekev90]

Itachi mid difficulty at most.

 

[Bogard]

Tobirama low-mid difficulty. They aren't in the same tier

 

[Misconception]

Man I'm not going to search through 640 chapters.

- He sensed Oro was full of Hashirama's DNA

- He sensed Madara's chakra from half the world away

You forgot to mention his finger was on the ground...

 

[pateuvasiliu]

It wasn't.

His finger sensing was shown against the 20 jounin squad that killed him.

He also tracked Hashirama with sensing when Hashi was meeting with Madara, when they were kids.

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should be enough to prove me right.