Why Madara needs Hashirama Sage Powers

[Mellanoma]

I'm making this thread in regards to the latest chapter of Naruto chapter 647. If you have not read this chapter please do not see this theory or open the spoiler tag below.

Spoiler

Ok in this thread I will explain why Madara is in need of Hashirama's Sage powers.

First off let's analyze Obito/Juubi

As we know these are the things that really stand out when it comes to Obito and the Juubi.

1)

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2)

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3)

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4)

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5) Black ninja Goo

With these 5 major key points Madara knows that he needs Hashirama hermit powers and this is why.

Reasons:

1) With Hashirama's Hermit power combined with Gakido Madara would be able to not only absorb chakra but also Natural Energy which is what the Juubi is comprised of. As we know

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but they can't handle it. However with Madara's knowledge and Hashirama's cells/sage powers he could absorb and controll natural energy.

2) With Hashirama's Hermit power Madara would be able to defeat Obito Onmyoudon due to the fact that he could create Senjutsu Jutsu such as

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or even create

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to overpower Obito

3) Madara already

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thus combined with Hashirama's Sage powers he could use Mokuton to absorb Natural energy from the Juubi/Obito or even suppress the God Tree

4) With Hashirama's Sage powers Madara would be able to effectively make Onmyoudon useless especially if perfect susanoo is comprised of only Senjutsu/Natural Energy

5) Black goo could be absorbed by Gakido/Hashirama Sage power thus allowing madara to absorb all natural energy thrown at him as well.


It is surely a big triumph card indeed if he is able to get Hashirama's powers. Would be quite funny if they fused together.

Thoughts?

 

[S A G E]

Because without hashirama power, he'd be too weak to challenge god Obito.

 

[LUMOS ULTIMATUM]

I'm making this thread in regards to the latest chapter of Naruto chapter 647. If you have not read this chapter please do not see this theory or open the spoiler tag below.

Spoiler

Ok in this thread I will explain why Madara is in need of Hashirama's Sage powers.

First off let's analyze Obito/Juubi

As we know these are the things that really stand out when it comes to Obito and the Juubi.

1)

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2)

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3)

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4)

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5) Black ninja Goo

With these 5 major key points Madara knows that he needs Hashirama hermit powers and this is why.

Reasons:

1) With Hashirama's Hermit power combined with Gakido Madara would be able to not only absorb chakra but also Natural Energy which is what the Juubi is comprised of. As we know

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but they can't handle it. However with Madara's knowledge and Hashirama's cells/sage powers he could absorb and controll natural energy.

2) With Hashirama's Hermit power Madara would be able to defeat Obito Onmyoudon due to the fact that he could create Senjutsu Jutsu such as

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or even create

You must be registered for see links

to overpower Obito

3) Madara already

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thus combined with Hashirama's Sage powers he could use Mokuton to absorb Natural energy from the Juubi/Obito or even suppress the God Tree

4) With Hashirama's Sage powers Madara would be able to effectively make Onmyoudon useless especially if perfect susanoo is comprised of only Senjutsu/Natural Energy

5) Black goo could be absorbed by Gakido/Hashirama Sage power thus allowing madara to absorb all natural energy thrown at him as well.


It is surely a big triumph card indeed if he is able to get Hashirama's powers. Would be quite funny if they fused together.

Thoughts?

Madara doesn't have sage mode:devil::devil:

 

[Mellanoma]

Madara doesn't have sage mode:devil::devil:

which is why he wants hashirama powers....

Because without hashirama power, he'd be too weak to challenge god Obito.

Well no one can counter onmyoudon alone. but with MAdara abilities combined with senjutsu it would be Madara over obito again
lol

 

[S A G E]

which is why he wants hashirama powers....



Well no one can counter onmyoudon alone. but with MAdara abilities combined with senjutsu it would be Madara over obito again
lol

Obito can speedblitz and its too dangerous to approach.
Id like to see Madara try. Lol

 

[kunde]

Madara doesn't have sage mode:devil::devil:

dont come to the conclusion yet unless you want to get trolled by kishi

OT: madara is gonna take over obito body using hashi's sage mode but it's unclear how he gonna accomplish that. .if he wants to control hashi using chakra rod then he should be using that chair type thing which fires rods(nagato used this chair) but he haven't shown anything like that. .so my guess is he will use SM to injure/weaken juubito and chakra rod to switch

 

[Gerkak]

This is true. However madara is going to fail.

 

[reizon]

if hashirama is madara trump card then i have to say im disappointed.!!
very disappointed.!!

so in case obito became juubi jin, madara had no backup plan at all.
his backup plan was no backup at all.!!

what the fcuk was madara going to do if kawai sasuke kun hadnt revived the hokages..??

 

[Mellanoma]

Obito can speedblitz and its too dangerous to approach.
Id like to see Madara try. Lol

From what we seen regarding Obito's black goo. If Perfect susanoo and Gakido are combined with sage mode. Obito does not stand a chance

 

[Mellanoma]

if hashirama is madara trump card then i have to say im disappointed.!!
very disappointed.!!

so in case obito became juubi jin, madara had no backup plan at all.
his backup plan was no backup at all.!!

what the fcuk was madara going to do if kawai sasuke kun hadnt revived the hokages..??

Remember Madara saw the future and based his plan off of it.

dont come to the conclusion yet unless you want to get trolled by kishi

OT: madara is gonna take over obito body using hashi's sage mode but it's unclear how he gonna accomplish that. .if he wants to control hashi using chakra rod then he should be using that chair type thing which fires rods(nagato used this chair) but he haven't shown anything like that. .so my guess is he will use SM to injure/weaken juubito and chakra rod to switch

I sort of agree with you but honestly. It would be easier for Madara to use the Sage mode/Rinnegan/mokuton to control the God tree itself rather than control Obito. If anything he would beat Obito then take the God tree for himself

 

[Uchiha Josephus]

... :| ... I just made the connection between Hashirama's chakra-sucking Mokuton and the God Tree's.

I feel like I should have realised this before ... >__>

OT: I don't think Madara has Sage Mode, I think he wants to somehow use Hashi's Sage Mode -> either by combining with Hashi (why else is he explaining his plan to him?) to take out Obito and then turning on Hashi again, or by somehow taking over Hashi's body.

I just don't see him learning sage mode in a matter of minutes. If he does -> f*ck you Kishi :devil:

 

[Mellanoma]

... :| ... I just made the connection between Hashirama's chakra-sucking Mokuton and the God Tree's.

I feel like I should have realised this before ... >__>

OT: I don't think Madara has Sage Mode, I think he wants to somehow use Hashi's Sage Mode -> either by combining with Hashi (why else is he explaining his plan to him?) to take out Obito and then turning on Hashi again, or by somehow taking over Hashi's body.

I just don't see him learning sage mode in a matter of minutes. If he does -> f*ck you Kishi :devil:

ummm that's what the OP is about lol thanks though

 

[kunde]

I sort of agree with you but honestly. It would be easier for Madara to use the Sage mode/Rinnegan/mokuton to control the God tree itself rather than control Obito. If anything he would beat Obito then take the God tree for himself

but obito is the one that controlling the tree . .so if madara wants to take control over tree then he should take obito's place first . . and wat is more chilling factor is madara is planning to become juubi jinchuriki at the same time. . 1 shot to kill two birds. . dat madara. .

 

[-ahhimane-]

I'm making this thread in regards to the latest chapter of Naruto chapter 647. If you have not read this chapter please do not see this theory or open the spoiler tag below.

Spoiler

Ok in this thread I will explain why Madara is in need of Hashirama's Sage powers.

First off let's analyze Obito/Juubi

As we know these are the things that really stand out when it comes to Obito and the Juubi.

1)

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2)

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3)

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4)

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5) Black ninja Goo

With these 5 major key points Madara knows that he needs Hashirama hermit powers and this is why.

Reasons:

1) With Hashirama's Hermit power combined with Gakido Madara would be able to not only absorb chakra but also Natural Energy which is what the Juubi is comprised of. As we know

You must be registered for see links

but they can't handle it. However with Madara's knowledge and Hashirama's cells/sage powers he could absorb and controll natural energy.

2) With Hashirama's Hermit power Madara would be able to defeat Obito Onmyoudon due to the fact that he could create Senjutsu Jutsu such as

You must be registered for see links

or even create

You must be registered for see links

to overpower Obito

3) Madara already

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thus combined with Hashirama's Sage powers he could use Mokuton to absorb Natural energy from the Juubi/Obito or even suppress the God Tree

4) With Hashirama's Sage powers Madara would be able to effectively make Onmyoudon useless especially if perfect susanoo is comprised of only Senjutsu/Natural Energy

5) Black goo could be absorbed by Gakido/Hashirama Sage power thus allowing madara to absorb all natural energy thrown at him as well.


It is surely a big triumph card indeed if he is able to get Hashirama's powers. Would be quite funny if they fused together.

Thoughts?

I agree with you except on the bold part. (point number two in reasons section)

There is no such thing as Senjutsu Perfect Susano'o or Senjutsu Meteors.

Meteor is a physical object. Why to use Senjutsu when he can call out those Meteors with his own chakra?

If you made Senjutsu Perfect Susano'o on the basis of Naruto Bijuu Sage mode then I would like to tell you that Bijuu Sage mode has been synced between two individuals. Kyuubi's Bijuu Mode and Naruto's Sage mode. Whereas Madara is a single human with his Perfect Susano'o because of his Ocular powers. It is an armor which is controlled by Madara himself (not like Naruto's Bijuu mode where Kurama also gets the chance to talk). And if you have a doubt on Madara's susano'o getting attacked by Obito's Onmyoudon then that thing also hit Sasuke's Susano'o hand but the Susano'o's hand regenerated because Susano'o armor imitates the user Physical condition.

 

[Gerkak]

People are forgetting that obito can use rinnegan as well. Obito solos

 

[UchihaNagashi]

I've thought of this earlier too, but there is a chance he already has one.

He has Hashirama's cells. Since he knew Hashirama so good, it could be that he went in secret to train SM.

 

[-ahhimane-]

I've thought of this earlier too, but there is a chance he already has one.

He has Hashirama's cells. Since he knew Hashirama so good, it could be that he went in secret to train SM.

I doubt bro. Because even if got Hashi's DNA, he lacks the conditions in which Hashirama uses Sage mode.

 

[reizon]

Remember Madara saw the future and based his plan off of it.




I sort of agree with you but honestly. It would be easier for Madara to use the Sage mode/Rinnegan/mokuton to control the God tree itself rather than control Obito. If anything he would beat Obito then take the God tree for himself

only kakashi can see the future as zabuza mentioned...!!

LOL

 

[Mellanoma]

I agree with you except on the bold part. (point number two in reasons section)

There is no such thing as Senjutsu Perfect Susano'o or Senjutsu Meteors.

Meteor is a physical object. Why to use Senjutsu when he can call out those Meteors with his own chakra?

If you made Senjutsu Perfect Susano'o on the basis of Naruto Bijuu Sage mode then I would like to tell you that Bijuu Sage mode has been synced between two individuals. Kyuubi's Bijuu Mode and Naruto's Sage mode. Whereas Madara is a single human with his Perfect Susano'o because of his Ocular powers. It is an armor which is controlled by Madara himself (not like Naruto's Bijuu mode where Kurama also gets the chance to talk). And if you have a doubt on Madara's susano'o getting attacked by Obito's Onmyoudon then that thing also hit Sasuke's Susano'o hand but the Susano'o's hand regenerated because Susano'o armor imitates the user Physical condition.

Basically the premise of what I was saying was since Onmyoudon erases ALL except senjutsu or natural energy. With Hashirama power Madara can add senjutus to his susanoo just like Naruto added

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but obito is the one that controlling the tree . .so if madara wants to take control over tree then he should take obito's place first . . and wat is more chilling factor is madara is planning to become juubi jinchuriki at the same time. . 1 shot to kill two birds. . dat madara. .

True which is why I was saying if Madara has Mokuton and Hermit power he could possibly control the Mokuton/Natural energy tree and cast infinite tsukyomi without even dealing with Obito. in the event that Obito tried to double cross him he could simply beat Obito since he would have the Power + Senjutsu to beat Obito.

People are forgetting that obito can use rinnegan as well. Obito solos

True but Obito can no longer use Kamui and he is killable where as a Senjutsu MAdara that's edo is not. IF madara is capable of adding senjutsu to his Perfect susanoo. Obito does not stand a chance.

I've thought of this earlier too, but there is a chance he already has one.

He has Hashirama's cells. Since he knew Hashirama so good, it could be that he went in secret to train SM.

Yeah very true and honestly I think the Rinnegan + Senju + Uchiha dna is more than enough to control senjutsu. Besides MAdara is the most knowledgeable guy in the series. With all the information he has told us it is feasible to say he know how to control senjutsu since after all the Tree and juubi is made of it

only kakashi can see the future as zabuza mentioned...!!

LOL

HAHA going off manga you are right sir lol

 

[H a n]

He need sage power to stomp Juubito.