Tobirama's FTG compared to Minato's FTG

[Sennin of Logic]

Interesting, guess that's another way Minato's FTG>Tobirama's. The main differense is that Minato can instantly set up multiple FTG points with a flick of a wrist(throwing kunai), while Tobirama has to move to each location, making him vulnerable. Minato's ability to FTG to his kunai while it moves also enables him to reach targets quickly and bypass most defenses. With these differences, Minato wins any fight against Tobirama when there's no prep before battle. Otherwise, it's a stalemate most likely.

 

[blake spartan]

I hope you are not saying that minato can teleport without seals because i have heard the same thing from tobirama, because though he teleported them in the latest chapter and admittedly i do not know whether he has a seal near sasuke/jugo, going by the principle of the technique he has a seal there, its just hasn't been revealed yet.

Anyway it i remember correctly in order for him to teleport something his chakra or himself has to be connected or something like that (its the morning my head ain't functioning right =D). The reason he couldn't is because though he has the link with naruto as you said he was running low on reserve

just a question did Tobirama teleport them or did Minato after all sasuke and jugo still had the cloak and tobirama doesn't have sasuke or jugo marked

 

[Blaze Release]

I forgot apart from minato having transportable kunai's he is also holds the fastest hiraishin, or should i say his execution of the technique makes him the fastest hiraishin user.

The hiraishin speed from point A to B, is instant when Minato has used.
Tobirama has used.
Gemna and raido has used for mei.

They all got there more or less instantly.

The difference between the 3 is that minato is the quickest at utlising the technique.
So if they all started at lets say konoha and the destination was kumo and they all had seals at kumo.

Minato will reach there first.
Then tobirama
Then genma/raido/no name fodder.

Because the time it takes for genma/raido and the other guy to prepare the technique minato and possible tobirama would have gotten there already.

So while the hiraishin is instant, its the preparation/execution of the technique that determines who eventually will get to the desired location first.

If genma/raido where to fight EI, Ei would shit stomp them. Yes their hiraishin is instant, but their execution is no where near minato's, therefore its slower.

A shinobi determines at the end of the day how strong a jutsu is

Don't downplay Tobirama's Hiraishin. The only reason that Minato was able to teleport the SA is because his chakra was connected to their's via Naruto. Thus fulfilling the teleporting anything my chakra is contact with rule.

Tobirama has never been in a position where he could teleport someone who was touching his chakra. Not once, so you can't say that he can't do it just cause he hasn't shown it when its obvious that he has it. The only difference between Minato and Tobirama's Hiraishin is that Minato attached his mark to Kunai.

In fact I'm pretty sure that the bold principle is why they can teleport to their makings (Which are made of their chakra)

There is one thing i find interesting about hiraishin. Though its been stated several times that a seal is needed to teleport the user which we all know though some are starting to dispute this lol. We have found that the user can teleport something who is touching their chakra, directly or in contact with it.

Basically while the user of hiraishin needs seals to teleport themselves, with direct chakra touching they can teleport objects. However they cannot or should i say haven't shown the ability to teleport to something using just chakra like the way they do when teleporting others and not themselves. That is why the seals are so important, apart from them being incorporated with the user's chakra to form this link, they are more than that, which brings us back to the principle of the kuchiyose

just a question did Tobirama teleport them or did Minato after all sasuke and jugo still had the cloak and tobirama doesn't have sasuke or jugo marked

Tobirama teleported them in this chapter

 

[Crossroads]

The only difference in their FTG is...

- Minato can use his while moving, we haven't seen Tobirama use his unless he was stationary.
- Tobirama has to come into direct contact to mark something, whereas Minato can throw his kunai's and FTG to them while he's moving and hit you from a distance.

This is the only big difference, really. They both use it in intelligent ways, but it's safe to assume Minato's is much better due to the mobility and convenience of the kunai's.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

The Rasengan isn't even as big as half Kyubi, but just to give you the benefit of doubt, let's say it's as big. Which means he basically teleported something 3times bigger than half Kyubi, which is still not even close to this

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And that was teleported by Base Minato
Try harder

On top of that, Edo Minato has shown fatigue after sharing chakra.

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Bottom left, Minato is panting. This means that Minato doesn't have unlimited chakra like people have claimed. Yet here, Minato showed no fatigue at teleporting the Juubi's TBB.

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He hardly looks like he put any effort into it at all.


However, Bogard, I disagree with your first posts. He means the chakra he put inside Naruto, which is his chakra, which fits with the translation.

 

[blake spartan]

Nope, Tobirama teleported the full Kyuubi in two halves plus a giant Senjutsu fused Rasengan that was even powerful enough to crack Obito's black Juubi chakra.

Try harder.

if you are going to compare minato and tobirama's FTG feats do it right

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there Minato FTG 100% kuruma and its TBB, while he still had to save Kushina and Naruto from TBB Might i add he had no direct contact with Kuruma or the TBB. I'm not saying Minato can use FTG without seals since i believe what Bogard said in one of his theory's that Minato use the toad as a medium for his chakra.

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now there we see Tobirama FTG Minato BM and Naruto BM + the Rasengan but still with direct contact it might of been for show but if tobirama doesn't need direct contact he would not need to touch Minato to use FTG. Then again Minato and Tobirama complemented each other alot during this war but this scan shows the respect Tobirama has for Minato.

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[KidGamer65]

There is one thing i find interesting about hiraishin. Though its been stated several times that a seal is needed to teleport the user which we all know though some are starting to dispute this lol. We have found that the user can teleport something who is touching their chakra, directly or in contact with it.

Basically while the user of hiraishin needs seals to teleport themselves, with direct chakra touching they can teleport objects. However they cannot or should i say haven't shown the ability to teleport to something using just chakra like the way they do when teleporting others and not themselves. That is why the seals are so important, apart from them being incorporated with the user's chakra to form this link, they are more than that, which brings us back to the principle of the kuchiyose

I can agree with that. It would seem odd if the only purpose of the marking forumla was to have the users chakra touching the destination so they can teleport there.

 

[blake spartan]

I forgot apart from minato having transportable kunai's he is also holds the fastest hiraishin, or should i say his execution of the technique makes him the fastest hiraishin user.

The hiraishin speed from point A to B, is instant when Minato has used.
Tobirama has used.
Gemna and raido has used for mei.

They all got there more or less instantly.

The difference between the 3 is that minato is the quickest at utlising the technique.
So if they all started at lets say konoha and the destination was kumo and they all had seals at kumo.

Minato will reach there first.
Then tobirama
Then genma/raido/no name fodder.

Because the time it takes for genma/raido and the other guy to prepare the technique minato and possible tobirama would have gotten there already.

So while the hiraishin is instant, its the preparation/execution of the technique that determines who eventually will get to the desired location first.

If genma/raido where to fight EI, Ei would shit stomp them. Yes their hiraishin is instant, but their execution is no where near minato's, therefore its slower.

A shinobi determines at the end of the day how strong a jutsu is




There is one thing i find interesting about hiraishin. Though its been stated several times that a seal is needed to teleport the user which we all know though some are starting to dispute this lol. We have found that the user can teleport something who is touching their chakra, directly or in contact with it.

Basically while the user of hiraishin needs seals to teleport themselves, with direct chakra touching they can teleport objects. However they cannot or should i say haven't shown the ability to teleport to something using just chakra like the way they do when teleporting others and not themselves. That is why the seals are so important, apart from them being incorporated with the user's chakra to form this link, they are more than that, which brings us back to the principle of the kuchiyose



Tobirama teleported them in this chapter

But how he has no markings on or by sasuke

 

[Blaze Release]

I can agree with that. It would seem odd if the only purpose of the marking forumla was to have the users chakra touching the destination so they can teleport there.

But then again, even with the ability to teleport others with chakra, in the end the seal is still needed for the thing they have just teleported to arrive.

Just seems they cannot teleport to somebody else with just chakra the same way they can teleport others with it

But how he has no markings on or by sasuke

It was him, but admittedly im still scratching my head. Possible answer is he has a tag there or might have tagged sasuke for unfinished business lol. This is why Tobirama fans running riot claiming he doesn't need seals for short distances, who knows

 

[Sterling Malory Archer]

Minato's FTG is equal to Tobirama's .

The stupidity....IT BURNS!@!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[blake spartan]

But then again, even with the ability to teleport others with chakra, in the end the seal is still needed for the thing they have just teleported to arrive.

Just seems they cannot teleport to somebody else with just chakra the same way they can teleport others with it



It was him, but admittedly im still scratching my head. Possible answer is he has a tag there or might have tagged sasuke for unfinished business lol. This is why Tobirama fans running riot claiming he doesn't need seals for short distances, who knows

So it must be a mistake on Kishi's part or Tobirama is just that awesome!

 

[Sterling Malory Archer]

Overall, I agree with this thread...

 

[DragonGodOfFire]

They're equal in terms of FTG, minato is faster in base (body flicker). Minato is more versitle, but Tobirama could also mark the kunais and use them in the same way as minato. He was probably the one to invent marked kunais anyway, remeber how everyone thought minato invented the FTG marking seal, but it was really tobirama.

 

[closecombat22]

Tobirama is a fodder compared to minato .

breach my child

 

[Ababeel]

1) They're both the same, you can't go faster when the jutsu is instantaneous.
2) There is no such thing, that was a mistranslation, Minato actually said "That was the two step Hiraishin!"
3) If Tobirama wanted to mark kunais he could, it's not a case of if he could but if he wanted to.
4) He could teleport them because Naruto had already linked his chakra, and he had to to fist bump with Naruto to do it. Contactless Hiraishin is featless.
5) Tobirama teleported the Kyuubi and a giant, Senjutsu fused Rasengan simultaneously, whereas Minato could only do something similar but not as powerful in separate instances.

1- They are not. I already proved that, tobirama HIMSELF said the FTG can be slower, and the fact he already admitted that Minato is faster than him.
2- all the translation that I have seen said "level 2" including Viz. Also, about this page

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he said "stage 3" so I assume if there is level 1 and level 3 there must be level 2!

3- I don't care if he wanted or not, he does not do that in the manga, and that's the deal.
4- Minato already mixed his chakra with Naruto's that was the whole point of the yin/yang symbol.
5- lol, Minato teleported FULL Kurama WITH TBB. He also teleported the Juubi's TBB which is MUCH bigger than Kurama.


it's strange that Tobirama's fans are saying "you can't be faster than instantaneous" and at the same time they say Obito is 5 time faster than
Minato. LOOOL, so if you can't be faster than instantaneous just to try to prove Minato is not faster than Tobirama, how the hell obito became faster
then? (Even though he's not faster than Minato in the first place, but whatever)

 

[jgtplayer]

there the same Minato's is just more flexible because of the way he implemented it with the seals and kunai.