Hiruzen Sarutobi Fans check-in

[startup97]

I'll join.

Hiruzen is the one Hokage I want to see at their best over the others. He has a huge arsenal of jutsus, and the best part is that when he fights he doesn't just use one after another. He has been shown to combine them into even greater jutsus.

Agreed! I am most interested to see his 1000 techniques as well as his fighting style with Enma!

 

[grizzlyshree]

Agreed! I am most interested to see his 1000 techniques as well as his fighting style with Enma!

but why is he given a low stat than Tsunade in the data book?

 

[HashiramaIsBack]

Sign me up.

 

[startup97]

but why is he given a low stat than Tsunade in the data book?

Old age stat. He has a 5 in Nin, Tai and Gen. 3 for the others because he was old. I imagine his prime to have all 5.

 

[Sarutobi Sensei]

It drives me nuts on how clueless and sometimes hypocritical people can be. They base Hiruzen, overall, on his performance against Orochimaru in pt.1 without keeping context.

1. Hiruzen was old, it was force fed to us multiple times by multiple characters including himself that he wasn't as powerful as he was in his prime. His chakra had diminished so he had to be careful, he was having a hard time lifting Enma, his performance was abysmal compared to his younger years, etc.

2. The powerscaling increased since pt.1, but then context is still supposed to be the same. Although the fight was underwhelming by pt.2's standards, it was stated in the manga to be a Kage-level battle.

3. Pt.2 Orochimaru, the one that toyed with Naruto and almost beat Sasuke while dying, was much weaker than the Orochimaru that Hiruzen fought. He was Minato's rival for the position of 4th Hokage, to which many people think he should had been Hokage instead of Minato, and has been deemed a threat to EMS Sasuke. Yet stated that if Hiruzen were 10 years younger that he would had beaten Orochimaru.

4. Even though he was older and weaker, he was still considered stronger than Ei, Onoki, Yagura, and Gaara Sr. And yes, Kishimoto intended on making the other Kages to be Kage-level.

5. Because Hiruzen was old and his chakra capacity diminished, he was forced to fight smarter and not harder, against three immortal opponents. He used Dragon Napalm to try to hit them all at the same time, used Mudslide Wall for defense, Enma for support, and a Shadow Clone+Reaper Death Seal combo for the win.

Kishimoto clearly hasn't forgotten about Hiruzen, all the hype he gave him has not been retconned out of existence. He even gave Hiruzen more hype in pt.2; having a young Hiruzen say to Tobirama's face that he's stronger, and the pseudo Rikudou Danzo said that he wasn't ever able to surpass Hiruzen. Even now he has been called "one of the strongest" in comparison to the likes of Hashirama, Tobirama, and Minato. Hiruzen will likely get the pt.2 powerscaling treatment and leave people wondering just how powerful he really was in his prime.

Then let's not forget about Enma. Apes are naturally stronger and more agile than humans, so a ninja ape is clearly going to be stronger and more agile than ninja humans. He may know other jutsus than just Adamantine Staff and Indestructible Prison Wall too.

Well said, buddy! You know people gets all icky if an old man has the potential to be stronger than their favorite characters like Minato, Itachi, Sasuke, etc so they WILL hate on Hiruzen and twist the power scales. They continue to ignore the fact that Hiruzen was old and his chakra was diminished, plus he was hesitant to kill his beloved student Orochimaru like always.

I'd like to think that if Hiruzen was 10 years younger and didn't give a shit abt Orochimaru by going Danzo-style, he probably would've destroyed pt. 1 Edo Hashirama, pt. 1 Edo Tobirama and Orochimaru in an instant without Enma.

I'm hoping Kishi is going to base Hiruzen more on Sun Wukong from Journey to the West, because I can see the "Lumberjack" Hokage doing some "monkey-like reflexes" and wreck the God Tree.

 

[Crossroads]

They should sticky this after all the Hiruzen hate. So everyone knows who were loyal first.

 

[startup97]

They should sticky this after all the Hiruzen hate. So everyone knows who were loyal first.

Agreed! 100%

 

[UltimateDeadpool]

Well said, buddy! You know people gets all icky if an old man has the potential to be stronger than their favorite characters like Minato, Itachi, Sasuke, etc so they WILL hate on Hiruzen and twist the power scales. They continue to ignore the fact that Hiruzen was old and his chakra was diminished, plus he was hesitant to kill his beloved student Orochimaru like always.

I'd like to think that if Hiruzen was 10 years younger and didn't give a shit abt Orochimaru by going Danzo-style, he probably would've destroyed pt. 1 Edo Hashirama, pt. 1 Edo Tobirama and Orochimaru in an instant without Enma.

I'm hoping Kishi is going to base Hiruzen more on Sun Wukong from Journey to the West, because I can see the "Lumberjack" Hokage doing some "monkey-like reflexes" and wreck the God Tree.

Indeed, I'm confident that if he were a bishi then people would like him more, or if his attacks had more bells and whistles. He has only had one fight and people try to compare his feats that have had a couple fights. If we held all characters to their feats in their first fights, then Kisame only has Water Shark Missile and Samehada. A lot of people are more interested in looks and power too, but what about story or the character themself? He has a kind, patient, understanding, wise, and jovial. A great respectable guy, and a loving father-figure. His only real flaw is that he cares too much.

Hiruzen is totally inspired by a combination of Son Wukong and Sasuke Sarutobi, which coincidentally turned out to be his father. For those that don't know, Sasuke Sarutobi is a story of a boy that was raised by monkeys and became the world's greatest ninja; that Japanese show "Ninja Warrior" subbed in America is simply called "Sasuke" in Japan. We should all be familiar with Son Wukong.
And yes, hopefully Kishimoto gives Hiruzen some cool jutsus inspired by them.

 

[MickNerks]

don't worry, Hashirama fans ain't switching over if its about "power bandwagon"

You obviously don't know your own fanbase very well.lol

Going to laugh my ass off if Hiruzen gets massive fire style, and island destroying feats

Yeah, Its gonna be hilarious to see peoples reactions.

I'll join.

Hiruzen is the one Hokage I want to see at their best over the others. He has a huge arsenal of jutsus, and the best part is that when he fights he doesn't just use one after another. He has been shown to combine them into even greater jutsus.

I got you on the list sir.

Sign me up.

I got you on the list as well. WELCOME!!

They should sticky this after all the Hiruzen hate. So everyone knows who were loyal first.

They should. Trust me though, when the feats come I will most definitely make this list public for the base to see. Most people who are Hiruzen Fans have been loyal since part 1.

 

[grizzlyshree]

Hiruzen is boss

 

[Stark]

Bunch of bandwagoners in here, I can spot them so easily.

 

[FoxSikes]

im not a fanboy but i do believe hes amazing for his age

 

[Draphsin]

Bunch of bandwagoners in here, I can spot them so easily.

Care to call a few out? U_U

 

[startup97]

MickNerks, you are doing a great thing for the Hiruzen fan community. Once Hiruzen gets OP feats, We shall make a thread to honour you! This thread should also be a sticky to see who were fans from the beginning!

 

[Bijuu Bomber]

lol

"Fans"

 

[startup97]

lol

"Fans"

Why yes, Yes we are fans.

 

[Bijuu Bomber]

Why yes, Yes we are fans.

lol

"Fans"

 

[startup97]

lol

"Fans"

Why yes, Yes we are fans.

 

[TrollingSage]

Can't wait for Hiruzen to make his fangirls scream with ecstasy with those giant shurikens of his.

 

[Bijuu Bomber]

Why yes, Yes we are fans.

lol

"Fans"