How powerful is Naruto now?

[Ababeel]

Good list, but I put Naruto above Naruto at this point. I'll explain tomorrow.

How does that make any sense?

 

[Dantee]

I must say nice list.

 

[xxSAGExx]

Now that he can use SM in conjunction with BM, that is.

In my opinion, he's just below EMS Madara, because Kurama was in fact EMS Madara's personal summon, and the Kurama that was under his control possessed both the Yin and Yang chakra, which was stated to be comparable to Hashirama's volume in chakra. Speaking of chakra volume, EMS Madara's chakra reserves are nothing to be laughed about; he engaged Hashirama in battle whilst keeping Kurama under his control (which was a great deal of control if I'd say so myself), then encased Kurama in Perfect Susanoo when necessary, stood up to Shinsuusenju, and after that engaged Hashirama for who-knows-how-long and when we were finally shown the conclusion of the battle, both were equally exhausted. And it's not to be said that Hashirama didn't conserve his chakra as well as Madara; Hashirama has already been stated as the best medical ninjutsu user in Narutoverse that we know of (as per Tsunade's admittance and the deduction of the only one who's seen Hashirama at full power), meaning his chakra control was excellent.

Naruto will end up surpassing Hashirama in as soon as a few chapters, but I don't think he's quite there yet.

So, here's where I'd place him as of now:
1) Obito
2) Hashirama
3) Madara
4) Naruto
5) Nagato
6) Kabuto
7) Sasuke
8) Tobirama/Itachi/Minato
9) Bee/Sandaime Raikage
10) Muu/Nidaime Mizukage

Side note: I put Bee and the Sandaime Raikage above Muu and the Nidaime Mizukage because neither have the chakra reserves to deal with either Bee or the Sandaime Raikage; they'd run out of chakra long before either of the Sandaime Raikage or Bee do (and the Nidaime Mizukage's genjutsu would prove useless against Bee anyway). The Nidaime Mizukage's mirage which is upheld by his Clam as well as himself can't last forever, and Muu's jinton would serve to be useless against these two tanks.

How powerful do you think Naruto is?

Actually I think Kurama's has more chakra than Hashirama. Here:

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Hashirama said that chakra Naruto was sharing with everyone was comparable to his but that wasn't all of Kurama's chakra. Naruto and Minato were bumping fist so it was like full Kurama but they didn't share out all of their power, Minato had enough to go BM and Same with Naruto. Actually Hashirama is like half Kurama chakra, I reread and saw that Naruto was out of chakra and got some from Minato/Yin Kurama while yang Kurama was trying to gather more.

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Even tho Yang kurama was gathering more chakra, he hasn't been doing it long and Minato used a lot of chakra before that so it pretty much average to half kurama's amount.

 

[darkstar94]

nice thread

 

[Handsome Jack]

Hashirama above Madara?

lolwut

Exactly....:vincent:

 

[LEAU92]

Hmmmmm, I don't think Madara has more chakra than Kurama per say, although Kurama stated he has a chakra more sinister than his own may refer to the nature of the chakra rather than the quantity. Madara was able to subdue Kurama with genjutsu and we all know how effective genjutsu is even on shinobi with much higher chakra reserves (like Itachi placing Naruto under genjutsu on more than one occasion).

To answer your thread though, I think Naruto is on Par with Hashirama, I feel like people underestimate the power of the Bijuu, they're massive volumes of chakra and Hashirama even stated that Kurama is too dangerous to be let loose onto the world and was forced to seal him.

 

[Xāvî1]

naruto better EMS madara

This ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

 

[Jarex]

Your list is good would say the same. Naruto will soon surpass both of them in few coming chapters.

Naruto has been fighting non stop since the begining og the war so I think he has fought long enough to be compared to madara and hashi although he has the nine tails with him but I think he has lasted longer than normal.

 

[Fecal Matter]

Naruto is the 3rd strongest in my list.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Proof?! I need in manga proof. Rasengan vs orbs doesnt count because we have no defense feats from it it simply erases everything that come in contact with it. Rasengan vs orb was the first time the orbs had been countered.

Actually, we do have an orb defense feat.

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Not even a scratch. Obito can't erase the TBBs, because if he could, he wouldn't need to use the orbs since they aren't the things that erase. He uses his body.

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So 4 Juubi TBBs failed to damage 4 orbs combined. Naruto and Minato managed to damage at least one.

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Naruto contributed at least 1/2 of its power, so Naruto's BSM ransengan>1/2 Juubi TBB by manga scans.


If you don't like the orbs, I'll use the chakra arms.

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These self same chakra arms tore down a barrier that withstood a juubi TBB.

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Please bear in mine these chakra arms are thinner than the ones Naruto and Minato blasted away. SM undoubtedly enhanced BM for things like this to happen.

How does that make any sense?

Give me a break, I was half asleep. I meant Naruto>Madara.




My top 10 (no edo powers)


1.SO6P

2. Obito

3. Hashirama

4. BSM Naruto

5. EMS Madara+9 tails

6. Kabuto (significant edos such as kage)

7. Minato

8. Nagato(6 paths of pain)

9. EMS Sasuke

10. Tobirama(with edos for his jutsus)

 

[MrLukyso]

Imho naruto can take down EMS madara, but it really depends if naruto's SM enhanced tbb can smash susanoo, if not then madara would still take this.

It couldn't that TBB is an insect to PS, it would repel it with it's sword.. like seriously.

Though if in your top you mean that Valley of the End Hashi > EMS Madara I can agree.

but Edo Madara >>> Edo Hashirama.

 

[Transcendence]

It couldn't that TBB is an insect to PS, it would repel it with it's sword.. like seriously.

Though if in your top you mean that Valley of the End Hashi > EMS Madara I can agree.

but Edo Madara >>> Edo Hashirama.

Edo Madara has no counter for Shinsenjuu.

Edo Hashirama > Edo Madara.

 

[KidGamer65]

Edo Madara has no counter for Shinsenjuu.

Edo Hashirama > Edo Madara.

Not to mention

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Madara's best tech

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[MrLukyso]

Edo Madara has no counter for Shinsenjuu.

Edo Hashirama > Edo Madara.

Really ? Meteorites, PS, Rinnegan and even Mokuton.

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Madara's best tech

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Yes I won't deny Madara said that PS is his best Jutsu, but he can combine it with so many others.
PS + Rinnegan = unstopabble. Rinnegan, Meteorites and PS = would beat the crap out of Buddha.

If Hashi uses Wood Dragon now, Madara does the same thing.
Both can use Mokuton clones and all the stuff.

In Mokuton Hashi only has upperhand because he can use Senjutsu.

Rinnegan > Mokuton, also Amaterasu, Huge Katon jutsus...

Madaras arsenal Combines would take out Edo Hashirama mid-high diff.

 

[DragonGodOfFire]

Top 5, plus he only gonna get stronger. He'll get the other half of kuruma, and then combine that with sage mode, so he would be twice as strong as he currently is. Then he'll use the bijuus chakra and become even stronger and then add sage mode on top of that.

 

[Pizcobaby]

Now that he can use SM in conjunction with BM, that is.

In my opinion, he's just below EMS Madara, because Kurama was in fact EMS Madara's personal summon, and the Kurama that was under his control possessed both the Yin and Yang chakra, which was stated to be comparable to Hashirama's volume in chakra. Speaking of chakra volume, EMS Madara's chakra reserves are nothing to be laughed about; he engaged Hashirama in battle whilst keeping Kurama under his control (which was a great deal of control if I'd say so myself), then encased Kurama in Perfect Susanoo when necessary, stood up to Shinsuusenju, and after that engaged Hashirama for who-knows-how-long and when we were finally shown the conclusion of the battle, both were equally exhausted. And it's not to be said that Hashirama didn't conserve his chakra as well as Madara; Hashirama has already been stated as the best medical ninjutsu user in Narutoverse that we know of (as per Tsunade's admittance and the deduction of the only one who's seen Hashirama at full power), meaning his chakra control was excellent.

Naruto will end up surpassing Hashirama in as soon as a few chapters, but I don't think he's quite there yet.

So, here's where I'd place him as of now:
1) Obito
2) Hashirama
3) Madara
4) Naruto
5) Nagato
6) Kabuto
7) Sasuke
8) Tobirama/Itachi/Minato
9) Bee/Sandaime Raikage
10) Muu/Nidaime Mizukage

Side note: I put Bee and the Sandaime Raikage above Muu and the Nidaime Mizukage because neither have the chakra reserves to deal with either Bee or the Sandaime Raikage; they'd run out of chakra long before either of the Sandaime Raikage or Bee do (and the Nidaime Mizukage's genjutsu would prove useless against Bee anyway). The Nidaime Mizukage's mirage which is upheld by his Clam as well as himself can't last forever, and Muu's jinton would serve to be useless against these two tanks.

How powerful do you think Naruto is?

Hashi is one level below naruto now...

1. Obito
2. Madara
3. Naruto
4. Hashirama
5. Nagato
6. Kabuto
7. Tobi/itachi/minato
8. Sasuke
9. Muu
10. Bee

No reason sasuke should be at seven, what was his last feat? Nothing anybody above him couldn't do with ease...

 

[Transcendence]

Really ? Meteorites, PS, Rinnegan and even Mokuton.



Yes I won't deny Madara said that PS is his best Jutsu, but he can combine it with so many others.
PS + Rinnegan = unstopabble. Rinnegan, Meteorites and PS = would beat the crap out of Buddha.

If Hashi uses Wood Dragon now, Madara does the same thing.
Both can use Mokuton clones and all the stuff.

In Mokuton Hashi only has upperhand because he can use Senjutsu.

Rinnegan > Mokuton, also Amaterasu, Huge Katon jutsus...

Madaras arsenal Combines would take out Edo Hashirama mid-high diff.

His Mokuton is fodder compared to Hashirama's. Nothing the Rinnegan offers can do anything to Shinsenjuu minus the possible Meteor and even then, it's a suicidal techniques since they are both going to need to regenerate after it, making it a stalemate. PS is fodder in front of Shinsenjuu.

 

[Nous]

Below Eien no Mangekyō Madara Uchiha, above Nagato Uzumaki.

 

[KidGamer65]

Yes I won't deny Madara said that PS is his best Jutsu, but he can combine it with so many others.
PS + Rinnegan = unstopabble. Rinnegan, Meteorites and PS = would beat the crap out of Buddha.

If Hashi uses Wood Dragon now, Madara does the same thing.
Both can use Mokuton clones and all the stuff.

In Mokuton Hashi only has upperhand because he can use Senjutsu.

Rinnegan > Mokuton, also Amaterasu, Huge Katon jutsus...

Madaras arsenal Combines would take out Edo Hashirama mid-high diff.

Meteors were half as big as PS and PS is pretty much dwarfed by Shinsuusenju considering its only like twice as tall as Kyuubi or a little bit more, and buddha dwarfed it. It'd effortlessly smack those meteors away or just outright tank it.

What Rinnegan techs has he shown? What Rinnegan attacks will even help him in the face of such overwhelming power? None. Deva might suffice for a little but it won't change the fact he gets beat in the end.

Clones, Wood Dragon (For Madara) Katon are non factors in a clash between PS and the Buddha, you are going to need proof that Madara even has the chakra to use PS, Rinnegan techs, Mokuton and clones all at the same time. Don't say Edo gives unlimited chakra cause that's false.

lol? When has he even shown Amaterasu or given any hint of having it? Don't bring the DB here cause Sasuke doesn't have Tsukuyomi. R

Lmao, not sure if serious. Madara? Take Hashirama mid diff? Not a chance in hell.

 

[BooYeah1432]

not sure if this has been said but edos are not being included. so hashirama > madara and so on.