How powerful is Naruto now?

[TheAncientCenturion]

I have the exact same list as you. So, yeah. Refer to your own.

Are you saying Tobirama > Kisame?!

Ain't no one including Edo Tensei. But to be fair, I could make a case putting Kabuto above Nagato, because if Nagato absorbed Kabuto's senjutsu chakra (and he would at one point if they fought considering Kabuto has unlimited SM at his disposal), he would become petrified.

I am ( ._.)

 

[VongolaX]

Hashirama's cells created a physical being, while madara's will created an etentity.

Of course Ems madara and Hashirama are above,

1. Obito
2.Madara <----recent chapter, may change
3.Hashirama<-----same as above
4. Tobimaru<---ftg, Edo combo too Op
5. Naruto<------can be higher than tobimaru
6. Sasuke
7. Minato<----ftg and bm is just overboard
8. Orochimaru<-----with Edo and senju DNA, remember everything going on now with the kages is oro's feat.
9. Itachi
10. Nagato

 

[Fodder#4]

Are you saying Tobirama > Kisame?!

Yeah, around mid diff or so.

 

[Sacrosanct]

Hashirama's cells created a physical being, while madara's will created an etentity.

Of course Ems madara and Hashirama are above,

1. Obito
2.Madara <----recent chapter, may change
3.Hashirama<-----same as above
4. Tobimaru<---ftg, Edo combo too Op
5. Naruto<------can be higher than tobimaru
6. Sasuke
7. Minato<----ftg and bm is just overboard
8. Orochimaru<-----with Edo and senju DNA, remember everything going on now with the kages is oro's feat.
9. Itachi
10. Nagato

Tobirama isn't in the Top 5, not at all. Nagato is Top 5/6, debatable at this point. Hashirama is above Madara. Where's Kabuto?

I am ( ._.)

We aren't

 

[Draphsin]

But then again, what would Nagato do when faced with Kabuto's sound genjutsu?

Of course .

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Nagato is a sensor, he can reach the snakes or bring them towards him via BT & then soul rip.

Kabuto prepping SM immediately puts him at a disadvantage which is why he makes a solid 6th on my list.

 

[Stacks]

Your list is just about right.

I was thinking the same.

 

[Wolfus]

In his current state without chakra?
WELL TOSSED BRICK SOLOS

Just kidding, but he probably is below EMS Madara. BSM is featless and other than his eyes and the ability to hit Obito there has literally been no change.

That's a mistake. Although naruto BSM has barely shown any feats, he is stronger. SM is a multiplier, it increaes the user's abilities(ninjutsu, speed, strength, durability, etc), and in this case, BM acts as a base form to BSM. As senjutsu chakra and kurama's chakra entered a perfect synx, the multipliers of the SM are applied to BM when naruti enters the BSM.

 

[Ababeel]

IMO Naruto is the second strongest after Obito.

1- Obito
2- BSM Naruto
3- BM Minato or Madara
4- Madara or BM Minato
5- Prime Hiruzen
6- Hashirama
7- Nagato
8- Kabuto (without Edo)
9- EMS Sasuke
10- Jman

 

[Wolfus]

IMO Naruto is the second strongest after Obito.

1- Obito
2- BSM Naruto
3- BM Minato or Madara
4- Madara or BM Minato
5- Prime Hiruzen
6- Hashirama
7- Nagato
8- Kabuto (without Edo)
9- EMS Sasuke
10- Jman

BM minato, madara and hiruzen above hashirama? Jman above bee? You're mistaken on that one. Besides, naruto still didnt match sm hashirama, and maybe EMS madara is still above him. BM minato is below EMS madara and hashirama, and hiruzen doesnt have enough feats to be on the list, but I hope he shows some.

 

[Kαmi]

I like that list, it's exactly like mine.

 

[Ababeel]

BM minato, madara and hiruzen above hashirama? Jman above bee? You're mistaken on that one. Besides, naruto still didnt match sm hashirama, and maybe EMS madara is still above him. BM minato is below EMS madara and hashirama, and hiruzen doesnt have enough feats to be on the list, but I hope he shows some.

I don't see why not?
Hiruzen is stronger than Hashi that's canon, I could careless about what his fans think.
EMS Madara was more or less = to Hashi. Do you expect from me to think he's still weaker after the Rinngan and wood?
and as for Minato that's only my opinion, since Minato can dodge or teleport away any of Hashi's attack even his Buddha (as he teleported the Juubi's TBB) and he has the firepower to defeat him with Kurama

teleporting fox is not an easy battle.

As for B, I honestly forgot him, but I was speaking in general, because B may defeat Jman indeed with his Bijuu but at the same time he also may lose to Itachi by his Amaterasu. And as we all know Jman is stronger than Itachi (Again I could careless about his fans' opinion it's manga canon)

as for Naruto, I don't see how is he below them honestly. Zzz

 

[Wolfus]

I don't see why not?
Hiruzen is stronger than Hashi that's canon, I could careless about what his fans think.
EMS Madara was more or less = to Hashi. Do you expect from me to think he's still weaker after the Rinngan and wood?
and as for Minato that's only my opinion, since Minato can dodge or teleport away any of Hashi's attack even his Buddha (as he teleported the Juubi's TBB) and he has the firepower to defeat him with Kurama

teleporting fox is not an easy battle.

As for B, I honestly forgot him, but I was speaking in general, because B may defeat Jman indeed with his Bijuu but at the same time he also may lose to Itachi by his Amaterasu. And as we all know Jman is stronger than Itachi (Again I could careless about his fans' opinion it's manga canon)

as for Naruto, I don't see how is he below them honestly. Zzz

Hiruzen is not stronger than hashi. Back then, when they fought, edo hashirama wasn't at his full power, and that was stated and proved by tobirama recently.

Shinsuusenju tanked countless full kyuubi's bijuu damas with susanoo sword. Minato doesn't have the power to take it down, and in alive conditions, his chakra would eventually be limited.
EMS madara + kyuubi. Don't forget that. Madara with rinnegan and senju DNA is obviously above EMS madara, but he doesn't have the kyuubi. Put them as equal as we don't know for sure.

We don't know the outcome of jiraya vs itachi. Remember than when itachi said that, it could've been an excuse not to capture naruto. That's also debatable, but does Jman have what it takes to take down susanoo with yata? I don't think so. But can he keekp himself alive until itachi's chakra end? That might be true.

About naruto. I have to agree that BSM naruto is quite powerful, even more powerful than BM, obviously and I explained above. But it might not be enough to take shinsuusenju, for example. We didn't see yet the full extend of his powers, so we have to wait. If we consider EMS madara with the full kyuubi, full kyuubi> half kyuubi, even with a jinchuriki. I can't say for sure with SM multiplying it, but there's still PS for madara, so he is likely to be above BSM naruto, because we barely saw his powers.

 

[Narutohokage7]

In the most recent chapters, his powers have truly reached an immense level. As of now, there aren't many Shinobi who can be considered to be equal to him, but examples would be Obito, Hashirama, Madara, and Kabuto and Orochimaru as well, if you include the Edo Tensei.

Plus don't forget, Naruto has been fighting for over a day. If he had time to be at full power like his own chakra at full level aswell as Kuramas (never mind Minatos half) and didn't have to share chakra with others he'd be quite a lot more powerful.

 

[ANiMUS]

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That's a mistake. Although naruto BSM has barely shown any feats, he is stronger. SM is a multiplier, it increaes the user's abilities(ninjutsu, speed, strength, durability, etc), and in this case, BM acts as a base form to BSM. As senjutsu chakra and kurama's chakra entered a perfect synx, the multipliers of the SM are applied to BM when naruti enters the BSM.

Proof?! I need in manga proof. Rasengan vs orbs doesnt count because we have no defense feats from it it simply erases everything that come in contact with it. Rasengan vs orb was the first time the orbs had been countered.

 

[Wolfus]

Proof?! I need in manga proof. Rasengan vs orbs doesnt count because we have no defense feats from it it simply erases everything that come in contact with it. Rasengan vs orb was the first time the orbs had been countered.

Oh, I can give you. Go read fukasaku's explanation about SM, then go read kurama's explanatiou about the syncronization of his chakra with natural energy/senjutsu chakra. Then notice that kurama's chakra entered a perfect sync with SM, thus creating BSM.
Now, this will require a little bit of logic of your part. BM acts as a base form to BSM. Add SM multipliers to the atributes of BM naruto(strength, speed, durability, ninjutsu, power, etc). As BM/kurama's chakra entered a perfect sync with SM, BM doesn't stop naruto from getting natural energy and it doesn't stop the SM multipliers.

 

[VongolaX]

Tobirama isn't in the Top 5, not at all. Nagato is Top 5/6, debatable at this point. Hashirama is above Madara. Where's Kabuto?



We aren't

Are you okay?

Nagato is nowhere near top 5

That's just your biased decision

 

[Crossroads]

Are you okay?

Nagato is nowhere near top 5

That's just your biased decision

Nagato is either 5 or 6.

 

[Transcendence]

Are you okay?

Nagato is nowhere near top 5

That's just your biased decision

Nagato is quite easily top 5. Everyone below him in the top 10 besides Kabuto (Mid Difficulty) gets stomped.

 

[Ababeel]

=Wolfus;13282185]Hiruzen is not stronger than hashi. Back then, when they fought, edo hashirama wasn't at his full power, and that was stated and proved by tobirama recently.

I actually was not talking about their battle, but about the statements.
Note:- Hiruzen also was not at his full power.

Manga:

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「三代目は　特に歴代の中でも最強と言われポロフェッサーと呼ばれた天才だったんだぞ！」
"The sandaime, in particular, was a genius nicknamed the 'Professor,' and was called the strongest of all the Hokage

Databook:

Databook 1, Page 117
"プロフェッサー"と崇められる歴代最強の火影

The "Professor" revered as the strongest Hokage in history.


Databook 1, Page 119
"歴代最強""天才"など,三代目火影を形 容する言葉はに満ちている.

"History's Strongest", "Genius", etc., there are many words that describe the Sandaime Hokage.



DB2 Pg 84
Konohamaru paragraph:
歴代最強の火影と謳われた、三代目� �血を継ぐ木ノ葉丸。“木ノ葉崩し”� ��より敬愛する祖父を失い、その心は 悲しみに覆われる。だが必ずや里を� �る大樹に成長するであろう。果てぬ� ��標の祖父を目指して・ ・・！！

Konohamaru, descended from Sandaime, who was praised as history’s strongest Hokage

Therefor, Prime Hiruzen IS stronger than Hashirama.

Shinsuusenju tanked countless full kyuubi's bijuu damas with susanoo sword. Minato doesn't have the power to take it down, and in alive conditions, his chakra would eventually be limited.

why would he attack it in the first place? Have you seen him attacked Jubbi's TBB? No, he just teleported it away. and he will do the same to Hashi's Buddha. Also, I said BM Minato because I meant he is stronger with Kurama's power. Otherwise, I wouldn't have put Minato before prime Hiruzen since Hiruzen was also stronger than base Minato as proven in the manga & Databook.

EMS madara + kyuubi. Don't forget that. Madara with rinnegan and senju DNA is obviously above EMS madara, but he doesn't have the kyuubi. Put them as equal as we don't know for sure.

I disagree. It is true that Madara lost Kurama, but still he has 2 things stronger than Kurama which is his Rinngan and the Wood.

We don't know the outcome of jiraya vs itachi. Remember than when itachi said that, it could've been an excuse not to capture naruto. That's also debatable, but does Jman have what it takes to take down susanoo with yata? I don't think so. But can he keekp himself alive until itachi's chakra end? That might be true.

if that was the case then Kishi would have told us that, but it has never been mentioned that
Itachi was lying or something like that. For the other question of yours, just in case you forgot
Jman has his frogs with him, and they do have sound base jutsus, and as we learned from Kabuto Vs itachi & Sasuke
Susanoo can NOT protect from the sound. Therefore, Susanoo will vanish. Also, as we saw with Gaara Vs Madara
you can attack the Sasunoo user from the underground and Jman has his swamp to do that.

About naruto. I have to agree that BSM naruto is quite powerful, even more powerful than BM, obviously and I explained above. But it might not be enough to take shinsuusenju, for example. We didn't see yet the full extend of his powers, so we have to wait. If we consider EMS madara with the full kyuubi, full kyuubi> half kyuubi, even with a jinchuriki. I can't say for sure with SM multiplying it, but there's still PS for madara, so he is likely to be above BSM naruto, because we barely saw his powers.

I putted Naruto above Hashi not because of raw power, I believe that Naruto can use his speed to dodge Hashi's attack, and he also may attack him at the same time with some TBBs.

and for PS, I also failed to see how is that enough against Naruto?
Naruto can protect himself with his Kurama's avatar like he did against the JUUBI's TBB

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he lost 6 tails, but there was no damage for him, and I don't thin PS's attack is as strong as the Juubi
Naruto also was able to cut 2 of the Juubi's tails

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with only FRS!!

he's really strong!

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Good list, but I put Naruto above Madara at this point. I'll explain tomorrow.