[Theory] Princess Kaguya and Rikudou's Tribe Became the Uzumaki Clan

[UnrealSoul]

convinced you further? your first theory was that the uzumaki clan was the clan that the sage started in.. and when i argued the clan wasnt around before the sage and i suggested maybe the clan of the sage converted into the uzumakis u didnt agree. so what do u mean convinced u further.. ur still ignoreing every comment that doesnt agree with you. once again

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obito says i now have the power of the ancestor of all shinobi..and those words were in *'s for some reason. kind of intrigued me, considering he calls the sage the ancestor of all shinobi that means he was the ancestor of senju uchia and every other clan considering they are all shinobi clans. just saying..maybe sage isnt an uzumaki considering the uzumaki is indeed a shinobi clan

editing because people think im talking about blood realtives.

the uzumakis are a clan. not any clan. a shinobi clan. shinobi werent around untill the ancestor of all shinobi taught ninjutsu..there fore in my opinion itd make sense that a shinobi clan wasnt formed untill shinobi were around. maybe the uzumaki were a clan that simply converted into a shinobi clan after the fact of learning about ninjutsu. who knows. that said. my theory is the senju uchia uzumaki and all the other clans were formed into shinobi clans after the ancestor of all shinobi, the sage of six paths, was around. and no. just because the sage was the ancestor of all shinobi, it doesnt mean all shinobi stem from this blood line.. but it does mean shinobi clans most likely couldn't be around till after he was. in speculation that would make it impossible for him to be apart of a shinobi clan called the uzumaki.

your response :

It means "Father of All Shinobi" like saying Einstein is the father of modern physics. it doesn't mean all bloodlines trace from him.


btw if france was originally the germanic tribe called "the franks" does that make them a germanic tribe still or are they french people.. my point being lets say hypothetically that first clan ever was called the derp clan. and that in this hypothetical world every clan started from the derp clan. and those clans that started from the derp clan. can be called the sir clan, the bull clan, and the crap clan. just because those clans started from the derp clan, doesnt mean that all the clans are still called the derp clan. they are their own clan with there own traditions own people ect. ect. if that was how it is than the senju and uchia are uzumakis to right? and following that. the uchia senju and uzumakis are actually the same clan as Princess Kaguya/Hagoromo's ...btw since when was Princess Kaguya/Hagoromo's clan a tribe? or even a clan for that matter i dont remember kishi specifying, or is this just u making assumptions and calling it truth again?

I see what you did their. OMG LMFAO REP REP REP

 

[Seventh Sama]

So, Rikudo just bestowed chakra to them and taught them how to use it? if so, pretty interesting....

 

[Rokudaime Hokage Naruto]

Thank you, the latest revelation only convinced me further that Kaguya and Hagoromo's Tribe/Kinsmen were the progenitor Uzumakis, as I have always stated, Rikudou Sennin did not belong to the Shinobi-Era Uzumaki Clan, but the Progenitor/Pre-Ninjutsu tribe of the Uzumakis.

As usual you avoid the "harder replies" and just thank people for agreeing you. As some one who posts over 61 times a day, you should be able to reply to the people like me and ethris who challenge your theory...

 

[Byron123]

As usual you avoid the "harder replies" and just thank people for agreeing you. As some one who posts over 61 times a day, you should be able to reply to the people like me and ethris who challenge your theory...

Indeed even though I agree with his theory, the fact that he doesn't answer to the "disbelievers" proves that he wants to stay away from the harm ways hoping that the questions will at sometime stop.

 

[AzR]

Hagoromo... a person who's from loyalty, ends up being a priest/monk.. hmmmmm there still a lot more kishi must reveal to us

 

[Mr Hiru]

Whatever. For the sake of politeness (and because it's plausible after all) I thank you, Sir Derp Obito. You gave people another insight of a possibility about the origins of the Uzumaki Clan. You might be right after all.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Let's think logically for a minute, others keep insisting that the Uzumakis were merely off-shoot of the Senjus from the Younger Son, but if that's the case, why do they have something so important and so secretive as Rikudou's Jutsus? wouldn't the Senjus being the true direct descendants of the Younger Son should be the ones to acquire them? why give Rikudou's Fuuinjutsus to merely off-shoots like the Uzumakis? it's because they're not off-shoots, Rikudou/Hagoromo himself gave his Fuuinjutsu to the Uzumakis because the Tribe/Family he belonged to became the Uzumaki Clan

 

[Rokudaime Hokage Naruto]

Let's think logically for a minute, others keep insisting that the Uzumakis were merely off-shoot of the Senjus from the Younger Son, but if that's the case, why do they have something so important and so secretive as Rikudou's Jutsus? wouldn't the Senjus being the true direct descendants of the Younger Son should be the ones to acquire them? why give Rikudou's Fuuinjutsus to merely off-shoots like the Uzumakis? it's because they're not off-shoots, Rikudou/Hagoromo himself gave his Fuuinjutsu to the Uzumakis because the Tribe/Family he belonged to became the Uzumaki Clan

Obito(as madara) at the Gokage summit said that his fuuinjutsu was passed down in secret.

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As many clans can use fuuinjutsu (examples include whoever sealed the other 8 bijuu, Jiraiya, Sai) it means that the Sage who invented the original fuuinjutsu, passed on this knowledge to more than one person or clan. This breaks your claim that the Uzumaki's must be special because the Sage taught them fuuinjutsu.

Edit: You will probably reply that the Uzumaki's are renownd for their fuuinjutsu similar to the Sage. However its entirely plausible and more likely that they happened to be good at it. I mean the sage can't invent everything. Most jutsu's these days have been invented by talented shinobi who like to experiment - just look at Tobirama. He invented the FTG, Edo Tensei and Kage Bunshin. To claim that the Sage invented all fuuinjutsu is narrow minded.

 

[Draxus]

Let's think logically for a minute, others keep insisting that the Uzumakis were merely off-shoot of the Senjus from the Younger Son, but if that's the case, why do they have something so important and so secretive as Rikudou's Jutsus? wouldn't the Senjus being the true direct descendants of the Younger Son should be the ones to acquire them? why give Rikudou's Fuuinjutsus to merely off-shoots like the Uzumakis? it's because they're not off-shoots, Rikudou/Hagoromo himself gave his Fuuinjutsu to the Uzumakis because the Tribe/Family he belonged to became the Uzumaki Clan

Rikudou gave his jutsu knowledge to a lot of people, I doubt he picked and chose what clans would have what jutsu. I'd imagine some were just more apt at certain things.

The Uzumaki clan's ancestors were probably apt at fuuinjutsu so kept that knowledge dear and passed it down, while other clans focused on other types of jutsu. Very possible the Senju's ancestors had this knowledge at one point, but it was forgotten because the next generations had no interest in it or no talent in it.

This info may have been held by less talented offspring who's descendants would then become the Uzumaki. Remember if the Uzumaki are an off shoot of the Younger son's blood line, then they share some of the same ancestors as the Senju.

 

[Meowazziel]

He is still Uzumaki!!!


Kurama's cloak has Uzumaki signs on the front and the back (KCM).
Not only on Naruto, but on Minato too. Minato is not an Uzumaki, so this cloak appearance has been made by the sage in the past and would appear on those who have access to Kurama's chakra. The wooden objects and cage that Naruto used, once he gained control of Kurama's chakra, remembered Kurama of the sage.

Obviously there is some link to Uzumaki and the sage.
The Uzumaki masks work in combination with the tablet of the Uchiha to summon the Deathreaper.

People seem to forget lot of important links and have all of a sudden gone like ''ooh his name is Ootsutsuki, he cant be Uzumaki blabla''. Well the link is still there. His name was just not Uzumaki at birth.

 

[Gdamon]

If she has a yinseal, if she does I will have a fangasm so big, that the whole earth will move.

oh my goodness...

 

[valandil988]

Question: If the Uzumaki are an off-shoot of the Senju then why aren't their skills matching up? Sure Naruto has a strong body but it doesn't come across like Hashirama or Tobirama, both are extremely skilled in body IE their bodies are very powerful in many aspects not just stamina. Naruto has good Chakra reserves but his body isn't talented like a Senju's should allegedly be.

So explain both sides of this argument why both clan's "blood-lines" don't seem to match up. Why are the Uzumaki different from the Senju when it comes to blood-line traits if they do indeed share the younger son as an ancestor?

 

[Mr Hiru]

And this is the reason I prefer to stick to general possibilities instead of specific ones. They keep making 'facts' from baseless relationships

 

[Draxus]

He is still Uzumaki!!!


Kurama's cloak has Uzumaki signs on the front and the back (KCM).
Not only on Naruto, but on Minato too. Minato is not an Uzumaki, so this cloak appearance has been made by the sage in the past and would appear on those who have access to Kurama's chakra. The wooden objects and cage that Naruto used, once he gained control of Kurama's chakra, remembered Kurama of the sage.

Obviously there is some link to Uzumaki and the sage.
The Uzumaki masks work in combination with the tablet of the Uchiha to summon the Deathreaper.

People seem to forget lot of important links and have all of a sudden gone like ''ooh his name is Ootsutsuki, he cant be Uzumaki blabla''. Well the link is still there. His name was just not Uzumaki at birth.

Actually the seals are the same because it's an uzumaki sealing technique that Minato used on both of them, it actually has nothing to do with Kurama's chakra.

Any link between the Sage and the Uzumaki can be explained by simple fact that Uzumaki are using techniques past down from the time the Sage was going around teaching ninjutsu to people.

If he wasn't an Uzumaki at birth, at what point did he become one?

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

He is still Uzumaki!!!


Kurama's cloak has Uzumaki signs on the front and the back (KCM).
Not only on Naruto, but on Minato too. Minato is not an Uzumaki, so this cloak appearance has been made by the sage in the past and would appear on those who have access to Kurama's chakra. The wooden objects and cage that Naruto used, once he gained control of Kurama's chakra, remembered Kurama of the sage.

Obviously there is some link to Uzumaki and the sage.
The Uzumaki masks work in combination with the tablet of the Uchiha to summon the Deathreaper.

People seem to forget lot of important links and have all of a sudden gone like ''ooh his name is Ootsutsuki, he cant be Uzumaki blabla''. Well the link is still there. His name was just not Uzumaki at birth.

Exactly, the same way the Elder and Younger sons weren't called Uchiha and Senju back then, but they're still the Uchiha and Senju Ancestors because their branching bloodlines started from them.

 

[Draxus]

Exactly, the same way the Elder and Younger sons weren't called Uchiha and Senju back then, but they're still the Uchiha and Senju Ancestors because their branching bloodlines started from them.

Again this logic makes no sense. By your reasoning the Sage is also an Uchiha, Senju, and probably a dozen other clans that are related to his sons. Sorry, but it doesn't work that way, if you're not born into a ninja clan you are not a part of it.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Again this logic makes no sense. By your reasoning the Sage is also an Uchiha, Senju, and probably a dozen other clans that are related to his sons. Sorry, but it doesn't work that way, if you're not born into a ninja clan you are not a part of it.

Rikudou's direct descendants were the Uchihas and Senjus only because the Apical ancestor of the Elder and Younger Sons was him, the Shinobi-Era Uzumaki Clan descended not from Rikudou but from his Kinsmen who were the progenitor Uzumakis, thus making them distant blood relatives of his children's clans: the Uchihas and Senjus. The other clans like the Hyuugas,Aburames,Akimichis,etc. descended from the pre-ninjutsu families that lived during Rikudou's Era, not from his bloodline, Hagoromo was no "Adam" sir, not all Shinobis descended from him. Lol

 

[Meowazziel]

Actually the seals are the same because it's an uzumaki sealing technique that Minato used on both of them, it actually has nothing to do with Kurama's chakra.

Any link between the Sage and the Uzumaki can be explained by simple fact that Uzumaki are using techniques past down from the time the Sage was going around teaching ninjutsu to people.

If he wasn't an Uzumaki at birth, at what point did he become one?

His name wasnt Uzumaki at birth. If a tribe/clan undergoes namechange, it remains the same tribe/clan blood wise, just under a different name. The sage his birth name wasnt Uzumaki, but he can have renamed his tribe into the Uzumaki clan.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

His name wasnt Uzumaki at birth. If a tribe/clan undergoes namechange, it remains the same tribe/clan blood wise, just under a different name. The sage his birth name wasnt Uzumaki, but he can have renamed his tribe into the Uzumaki clan.

Exactly, the same way that Elder and Younger Sons had Ootsuki as their surnames but their descendant's clans' names became Uchihas and Senjus. It's very simple really.

Now that it is revealed that Rikudou had blood relatives, I am more confident than ever that they were the progenitor Uzumakis.

 

[Mr Hiru]

The only remain question is... the Rikudou kinsmen... exists in the manga? (people WITH chakra/spiritual+physical energy)