BM Minato is stronger than Healthy Nagato

[Bronze]

are you stupid??

I mean seriously, nagato's ABILITIES are the same, he just gets physically stronger

BUT the same can be said about minato because BM mode will boost all of his abilities

all you're doing is making excuses, I have listed a way for minato to counter everything nagato has

you don't even read the manga, you think minato cant use FTG because he didn't have a mark on obito....wtf

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you also make it sound as if Minato knows rinnegan techniques and how to counter them.

Nagato > Minato

 

[Mitarashi]

Oh my god lol, I cant believe you're trying to troll me man

Healthy nagato aint NEVER gonna be 6x as stronger as he was when he was weakened. PERIOD

Just because nagato can be the 6 paths in one body doesn't mean he's gonna be 6x stronger lol

That's like saying if naruto made 1000 clones, whenever he disperse the clones, he'll be 1000 times stronger lol no

Nagato will def be stronger but you're completely overrating him at this point man

WHAT???? lol kyuubi can NEVER get it's other half of chakra back, you must be losing it lol, and if you think bm mode is WEAKER than kurama in the pain fight then I honestly don't know what to tell you at this point.

If Naruto made 100 clones that were all 1/100th of his strength, and then did a rasengan, and then withdrew all those clones, and did another rasengan, it would be 100 times stronger, not 100 times stronger than originally, but 100 times stronger than when he had clones out.

Nagato was weak = half as strong as the prime nagato we're talking about.
Nagato was split into 7 people. ( Himself and 6 pains )

So yes, when he's in 1 body he has 6x more chakra.
A healthy Nagato has more.

 

[~Sovereign~]

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you also make it sound as if Minato knows rinnegan techniques and how to counter them.

Nagato > Minato

smh, this is sad

you make it seem like nagato knows FTG....lol

FTG has NOT been countered in the series yet unlike rinnegan, FTG is even working on juubito.

 

[~Sovereign~]

If Naruto made 100 clones that were all 1/100th of his strength, and then did a rasengan, and then withdrew all those clones, and did another rasengan, it would be 100 times stronger, not 100 times stronger than originally, but 100 times stronger than when he had clones out.

Nagato was weak = half as strong as the prime nagato we're talking about.
Nagato was split into 7 people. ( Himself and 6 pains )

So yes, when he's in 1 body he has 6x more chakra.
A healthy Nagato has more.

NOW you are correct

nagato will have 6x more CHAKRA

BUT, 6x more CHAKRA does NOT = 6x more STRONGER (two totally different meanings)

we all know nagato has huge chakra so this changes nothing honestly....kisame stated that he doesn't tired....now me and you both know kisame isn't unbeatable, so this is proof that nagato having more chakra doesn't change much, especially since minato has BM which gives him a lot more chakra and enhance all of his abilities.

LMFAO nice sig "call me"

 

[Mitarashi]

smh, this is sad

you make it seem like nagato knows FTG....lol

FTG has NOT been countered in the series yet unlike rinnegan, FTG is even working on juubito.

I've given you counters to FTG.

He throws kunai?
ST/CT/BT Scatter them, put them under some rubble or set them at his feet.

Tries to mark Nagato?
Touching A healthy Nagato is a death wish.

Marks somewhere else?
CT/BT/ST, Rockets, Summons..

NOW you are correct

nagato will have 6x more CHAKRA

BUT, 6x more CHAKRA does NOT = 6x more STRONGER (two totally different meanings)

we all know nagato has huge chakra so this changes nothing honestly....kisame stated that he doesn't tired....now me and you both know kisame isn't unbeatable, so this is proof that nagato having more chakra doesn't change much, especially since minato has BM which gives him a lot more chakra and enhance all of his abilities.

LMFAO nice sig "call me"

Nagato ( Weakened ) was sure he could just up the CT some more and trap the Kyuubi, and I believe he could have.

He has ATLEAST 6 times more chakra to pour into the jutsu, making the core alot stronger ( AKA harder to destroy ) and the pull would be much more devastating.

Healthy Nagato also has access to every Chakra nature, this could prove useful. ( Futon enhanced Katon, ect, coming from Nagato would be monstrous ) + Gedo statue.


And lol, he even wrote his phone number down xD

 

[Bronze]

smh, this is sad

you make it seem like nagato knows FTG....lol

FTG has NOT been countered in the series yet unlike rinnegan, FTG is even working on juubito.

just stop with the BS.

Nagato singlehandedly took on KCM Naruto + Killer Bee and he nearly killed them without even trying and was being controlled. If Nagato wasn't controlled, he can even kill KCM Naruto + Killer Bee + Itachi by himself.

Prime blood lust Nagato would destroy/obliterate/annihilates/rape/f@ck skull Minato.

Minato has nothing on Nagato.

 

[xxSasukEkUnxX]

Oh, and here I thought this would be a smart thread full of pictures. All of them are paragraphs.. whoopee.

I don't feel like writing a full length response, but preta path absorbs any type of chakra for an endless time period; a whirlpool that is infinite as described by the Databook.

Shinra Tensei deflects all matter through gravity and Chibaku Tensei pulls matter in.

Second of all, that was Full Kurama's Bijuu Dama, not the Yin Halves, which is equal to Yangs which is much less in size.

The other paths are worthless here as were poorly explained. Anyways, a diagram, here's what will happen.

1. Minato Starts in BM
2. Should set up the field with FTG Kunai, no biggie at ALL
3. Minato goes full cloak, which Nagato counters with Animal Path, so does he counter gamabunta with such
4. TBB Makes the Chakra Absorbing Cerberus grow to a large scale of numbers which Solo gamabunta and the toads
5. Minato's constant attempts to close in are stopped by Shinra Tensei and Seperate Arms, machine guns, heat seeking msisles etc
6. When he teleports to another area with the kunai, bansho ten'in him in

SIDE-OPTIONS for Nagato
1. Chakra Poles, especially the ones obito used to bind uh.. idk.. BIJUU
2. Human Path to read the battle-plan of minato and devise something to counter it, or Naraka Path (have KOH already there) and make him deactivate BM or reveal every single one of his next moves, and if he is lying he is killed (he's gonna warp away fast so taking his soul won't work here, though the naraka path option is likely suitable for a kill)

SEVERAL WAYS HE CAN DIE
1. Bansho Ten'in him into a heatseeking missle after removing the FTG Kunai
2. After all the chakra is absorbed with preta path (absorbs all chakra based attacks infinitely, databook FACT, not disputable), Chibaku Tensei gets rid of him and the kunai.
3. The cerberus (Using tbb on the thing is a terrible idea, it multiplied like 5-10 times with a RASENGAN variant and it's gamabunta size.)
4. Chou Shinra Tensei (nothing is getting over this)

Low diff, mid diff at most.

 

[Mitarashi]

Oh, and here I thought this would be a smart thread full of pictures. All of them are paragraphs.. whoopee.

I don't feel like writing a full length response, but preta path absorbs any type of chakra for an endless time period; a whirlpool that is infinite as described by the Databook.

Shinra Tensei deflects all matter through gravity and Chibaku Tensei pulls matter in.

Second of all, that was Full Kurama's Bijuu Dama, not the Yin Halves, which is equal to Yangs which is much less in size.

The other paths are worthless here as were poorly explained. Anyways, a diagram, here's what will happen.

1. Minato Starts in BM
2. Should set up the field with FTG Kunai, no biggie at ALL
3. Minato goes full cloak, which Nagato counters with Animal Path, so does he counter gamabunta with such
4. TBB Makes the Chakra Absorbing Cerberus grow to a large scale of numbers which Solo gamabunta and the toads
5. Minato's constant attempts to close in are stopped by Shinra Tensei and Seperate Arms, machine guns, heat seeking msisles etc
6. When he teleports to another area with the kunai, bansho ten'in him in

SEVERAL WAYS HE CAN DIE
1. Bansho Ten'in him into a heatseeking missle after removing the FTG Kunai
2. After all the chakra is absorbed with preta path (absorbs all chakra based attacks infinitely, databook FACT, not disputable), Chibaku Tensei gets rid of him and the kunai.
3. The cerberus (Using tbb on the thing is a terrible idea, it grew like 5-10 times with a RASENGAN variant and it's gamabunta size.)
4. Chou Shinra Tensei (nothing is getting over this)

Low diff, mid diff at most.

While I'm glad to see someone here that isn't being a Minato fan ( Other than Madara Rules ), you're not using Nagato to his full extent either.
He can just BT the Kunai/Marks to him, No FTG at all.
He can't tag Nagato without being sucked dry.
Nagato can go invisible.
Nagato can fly ( with or without the bird )

 

[xxSasukEkUnxX]

While I'm glad to see someone here that isn't being a Minato fan ( Other than Madara Rules ), you're not using Nagato to his full extent either.
He can just BT the Kunai/Marks to him, No FTG at all.
He can't tag Nagato without being sucked dry.
Nagato can go invisible.
Nagato can fly ( with or without the bird )

Yes, yes, flight is essential, but the bird really helps. It can view things from a very high distance and nagato can camp out there and restore chakra, he won't waste it on flight.

Whoever says Minato can tag Nagato is one of the biggest fanboys I have ever seen. DIEHARD Minato fans on all types of forums says this would never happen. He could stand in the exact same place and NOTHING would happen to him. It would be that easy to stop Minato's attempt to tag. Even so, once he feels himself get touched, Shinra Tensei, say goodbye to at least 1/2 of your body, idiot.

S/T Barrier isn't working. the max it has teleported is Bijuu Dama in the ball form which is not the expanded form, if it had teleported the expanded form sure, but the ball form is not as barely as big as the bijuu who's throwing it upper body, which is the size of the boss toads. Also if someone thinks it's teleporting Shinra Tensei, Bansho Ten'in or Preta Path I fear the worlds intelligence.

 

[Mitarashi]

Yes, yes, flight is essential, but the bird really helps. It can view things from a very high distance and nagato can camp out there and restore chakra, he won't waste it on flight.

Whoever says Minato can tag Nagato is one of the biggest fanboys I have ever seen. DIEHARD Minato fans on all types of forums says this would never happen. He could stand in the exact same place and NOTHING would happen to him. It would be that easy to stop Minato's attempt to tag. Even so, once he feels himself get touched, Shinra Tensei, say goodbye to at least 1/2 of your body, idiot.

S/T Barrier isn't working. the max it has teleported is Bijuu Dama in the ball form which is not the expanded form, if it had teleported the expanded form sure, but the ball form is not as barely as big as the bijuu who's throwing it upper body, which is the size of the boss toads. Also if someone thinks it's teleporting Shinra Tensei, Bansho Ten'in or Preta Path I fear the worlds intelligence.

This^^^

Also, CT has no phyical form, it's simply a 'Void' in the universe that sucks things toward it, so S/T Barrier would at beast move whatever had been sucked towards it at the time.
+ most Space/time jutsu require the caster to be focused, yes?
Goodluck focusing while a black hole effectively is sucking you in and you have an experienced Rinnegan user barraging you with jutsu.

 

[Voidstep]

BM Minato cannot use FTG in BM otherwise we would have seen him doing it to teleport Naruto. Minato hasn't shown Multiple TBB so no.

Nagato wins.

there is no reason why Minato shouldn't be able to use FTG with BM.
this isn't the same as Obito... Obito don't seem to be able to use kamui anymore, in any form... while Minato can use FTG in KM with no problem what so ever.

and Tobirama teleported them cause he's the one that marked Obito. Minato's tag disapeared when Obito "transformed".
it was Tobirama who also teleported Naruto when he entered SM for the exact same reason...

OT: I agree Minato can win this.

 

[Mitarashi]

there is no reason why Minato shouldn't be able to use FTG with BM.
this isn't the same as Obito... Obito don't seem to be able to use kamui anymore, in any form... while Minato can use FTG in KM with no problem what so ever.

and Tobirama teleported them cause he's the one that marked Obito. Minato's tag disapeared when Obito "transformed".
it was Tobirama who also teleported Naruto when he entered SM for the exact same reason...

OT: I agree Minato can win this.

How does Minato overcome healthy Nagato

He can't use FTG, Nagato counters in about 4 ways ( I've already stated )

TBB/Rasengan are absorbed
Minato has shown no Genjutsu

It's Minato's taijutsu VS Healthy Nagato's Rinnegan jutsu.

 

[~Sovereign~]

I've given you counters to FTG.

He throws kunai?
ST/CT/BT Scatter them, put them under some rubble or set them at his feet.

Tries to mark Nagato?
Touching A healthy Nagato is a death wish.

Marks somewhere else?
CT/BT/ST, Rockets, Summons..




Nagato ( Weakened ) was sure he could just up the CT some more and trap the Kyuubi, and I believe he could have.

He has ATLEAST 6 times more chakra to pour into the jutsu, making the core alot stronger ( AKA harder to destroy ) and the pull would be much more devastating.

Healthy Nagato also has access to every Chakra nature, this could prove useful. ( Futon enhanced Katon, ect, coming from Nagato would be monstrous ) + Gedo statue.


And lol, he even wrote his phone number down xD

im STILL waiting on you to tell me how nagato counters minaot during the 5 second interval....

ct is counter by bm mode tails or kyuubi's tbb

st is tanked by bm cloak, ok this can move the marking but what if minato put a mark on the ground with his hand? it cant be moved

wtf is a rocket going to do?? ftg has minato chakra in it and minato doesn't have to warp directly on the seal, he can warp "near" the seal, as he did many times

I don't think so, kyuubi made a massive hole in that CT, minato is in control of bm, so all he has to do is make the hole an quick jump out, like naruto did. And like I said kyuubi's tbb is equal to 5 tailed beast tbb

nagato having more chakra wont change much because minato is getting a chakra increase too with BM mode, I don't see why this is even being discussed

just stop with the BS.

Nagato singlehandedly took on KCM Naruto + Killer Bee and he nearly killed them without even trying and was being controlled. If Nagato wasn't controlled, he can even kill KCM Naruto + Killer Bee + Itachi by himself.

Prime blood lust Nagato would destroy/obliterate/annihilates/rape/f@ck skull Minato.

Minato has nothing on Nagato.

1. ....KM mode is weak compared to BM mode, and nagato had absorb killer bee's chakra already because he didn't know about deva path, don't try to make it seem like nagato beat them straight up fair and square. Yes, nagato is better than all three of them 1v1 but 3v1 is too much more nagato as this is manga proof, you are speculating.

2. how will nagato counter minato during the 5 second interval??

3. space time barrier counters CT and the cloak counters ST, and like I said nagato has a 5 second interval so how will nagato counter minato's ftg blitz (throwing the kunai and then use FTG), even base naruto took advantage of this time limit, so if you think minato cant, then don't look for a response.

 

[xxSasukEkUnxX]

Madara Rules, read me and Mitarashi's rebuttles/retaliations. It doesn't matter if he could use FTG in BM, it's still a low diff. UHowever if he couldn't it's no diff lol.

 

[Mitarashi]

im STILL waiting on you to tell me how nagato counters minaot during the 5 second interval....

ct is counter by bm mode tails or kyuubi's tbb

st is tanked by bm cloak, ok this can move the marking but what if minato put a mark on the ground with his hand? it cant be moved

wtf is a rocket going to do?? ftg has minato chakra in it and minato doesn't have to warp directly on the seal, he can warp "near" the seal, as he did many times

I don't think so, kyuubi made a massive hole in that CT, minato is in control of bm, so all he has to do is make the hole an quick jump out, like naruto did. And like I said kyuubi's tbb is equal to 5 tailed beast tbb

nagato having more chakra wont change much because minato is getting a chakra increase too with BM mode, I don't see why this is even being discussed



1. ....KM mode is weak compared to BM mode, and nagato had absorb killer bee's chakra already because he didn't know about deva path, don't try to make it seem like nagato beat them straight up fair and square. Yes, nagato is better than all three of them 1v1 but 3v1 is too much more nagato as this is manga proof, you are speculating.

2. how will nagato counter minato during the 5 second interval??

3. space time barrier counters CT and the cloak counters ST, and like I said nagato has a 5 second interval so how will nagato counter minato's ftg blitz (throwing the kunai and then use FTG), even base naruto took advantage of this time limit, so if you think minato cant, then don't look for a response.

What is Minato going to do during the 5 seconds?
Seriously, what.
All his ninjutsu is nullified, no genjutsu.
Is he going to punch him?

Nagato's CT/ST are MUCH MUCH Stronger than deva paths, Minato is NOT tanking them.

Madara Rules, read me and Mitarashi's rebuttles/retaliations. It doesn't matter if he could use FTG in BM, it's still a low diff. UHowever if he couldn't it's no diff lol.

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I don't know why I keep replying.

 

[~Sovereign~]

How does Minato overcome healthy Nagato

He can't use FTG, Nagato counters in about 4 ways ( I've already stated )

TBB/Rasengan are absorbed
Minato has shown no Genjutsu

It's Minato's taijutsu VS Healthy Nagato's Rinnegan jutsu.

wrong

if nagato uses ST to counter the kunai that minato scatter, he would have to wait 5 second and im 100% sure this is more than enough time for minato to throw a kunai at nagato and teleport to nagato and nagato has absolute no counter for minato at close range without ST (gotta wait 5 seconds)

4 of nagato's path require physical contract
animal path is own by toad summons and contract seal

deva path is the only challenge

 

[Voidstep]

How does Minato overcome healthy Nagato

He can't use FTG, Nagato counters in about 4 ways ( I've already stated )

TBB/Rasengan are absorbed
Minato has shown no Genjutsu

It's Minato's taijutsu VS Healthy Nagato's Rinnegan jutsu.

I said "can win"... didn't say it was going to be an easy fight haha
also IMO S/T is a nice counter to rinnegan.

Minato rasengans get absorbed??
cool, what about a kunai slash... can Nagato absorb that too??

Minato does have genjutsu! he can summon Ma and Pa... xD

Minato can always use FTG lvl2 to get out of hard situation or to get closer to Nagato...
and what will Nagato do when he touches Minato and gets tagged??

 

[~Sovereign~]

What is Minato going to do during the 5 seconds?
Seriously, what.
All his ninjutsu is nullified, no genjutsu.
Is he going to punch him?

Nagato's CT/ST are MUCH MUCH Stronger than deva paths, Minato is NOT tanking them.





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I don't know why I keep replying.

I already counter this

bm mode tanked the juubi's nuke, im sure this is more power than ST/CT

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[xxSasukEkUnxX]

This^^^

Also, CT has no phyical form, it's simply a 'Void' in the universe that sucks things toward it, so S/T Barrier would at beast move whatever had been sucked towards it at the time.
+ most Space/time jutsu require the caster to be focused, yes?
Goodluck focusing while a black hole effectively is sucking you in and you have an experienced Rinnegan user barraging you with jutsu.

On top of this, it is confirmed that the abilities of Deva Path are pseudo-black holes, with Nagato as the medium.

In any case and any argument, Yang/Yin Kurama are half the size of full Kurama, who could fit in konoha and barely be seen by birds eye view. Chou Shinra Tensei wiped out what village? LOL

Nagato also did it with half of his chakra in a sick state.. Now imagine, after absorbing a TBB, a healthy Chou Shinra Tensei in his HEALTHY Form... LOOOL

Another worst comes to worst (which it won't) situation is Gedou Mazou.

Sorry but Nagato stomps minato into the dirt, lol

 

[Mitarashi]

wrong

if nagato uses ST to counter the kunai that minato scatter, he would have to wait 5 second and im 100% sure this is more than enough time for minato to throw a kunai at nagato and teleport to nagato and nagato has absolute no counter for minato at close range without ST (gotta wait 5 seconds)

4 of nagato's path require physical contract
animal path is own by toad summons and contract seal

deva path is the only challenge

Nope.
If Minato throws a Kunai while CT is there it's sucked up, so he'd just be teleporting to the centre of the CT

Toad summons < ST.
Contract seals require physical contact, the one thing that you just said Nagato can't do.

The ONLY thing Minato can do Is genjutsu OR Taijutsu.

He has no genjutsu.
If he tries to punch Nagato, he gets drained of all chakra and torn into pieces.