[Possibility] Obito > Hashirama

[Murasame]

1. That is pretty much a forfeit if he runs away from the fight.

2. The only way to completely counter the Flower World is to destroy the source of the pollen. No matter how much willpower you have, you aren't going to fight inside of a forest that constantly releases pollen, while constantly breathing in said pollen, without getting knocked out once more. Its not even paralysis, they were completely knocked out due to the effects of the pollen.

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. Don't even know where this came from as it was never shown in the manga. Ever. Obito himself goes there and incapacitates the people he warps away.

1. I'm sure he just needs to get out of range of Flower Tree World then set it ablaze with his Jubi Sized Katon.
2. Read number one
3. You're right on this from what I see.

 

[KidGamer65]

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According to you, Torune had the perfect chance to kill him the moment he phased through the ground. Right?

Not according to me. According to the manga. It clearly showed Kakashi being active after getting warped by Obito.

Anyway Its either that Torune simply didn't take advantage of the opportunity or he couldn't take advantage of the opportunity quick enough, considering he warped these two within seconds of each other, and he would probably be too surprised considering that they have never experienced this before, Kakashi knows what to expect.

1. I'm sure he just needs to get out of range of Flower Tree World then set it ablaze with his Jubi Sized Katon.
2. Read number one
3. You're right on this from what I see.

Madara's Katon which is equal to Obito's

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, Obito's won't either.

 

[juankimari]

1. Obito can merge with the ground while intangible to basically escape to anywhere in the world.
2. Any strong willed person (say, someone who overcame the juubi with his will alone) can break the paralysis as seen by Onoki. And Madara's katon was able to set the entire field ablaze.
3. Only kakashi can send a clone to the kamui dimension and have it remain available for combat. When obito sends people or clones they are incapacitated, and unable to hinder his kamui usage.

1. That is pretty much a forfeit if he runs away from the fight.

2. The only way to completely counter the Flower World is to destroy the source of the pollen. No matter how much willpower you have, you aren't going to fight inside of a forest that constantly releases pollen, while constantly breathing in said pollen, without getting knocked out once more. Its not even paralysis, they were completely knocked out due to the effects of the pollen.

3.

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. Don't even know where this came from as it was never shown in the manga. Ever. Obito himself goes there and incapacitates the people he warps away.

Don´t forget that Hashirama has an immense amount of chakra and he can literally fight for a whole day using insanely powerful jutsu time after time after time as proven at the VOTE fight...Hell he even said that Naruto sharing his chakra with the ENTIRE shinobi alliance was comparable to his own chakra reserves, then he proceeded to notice Naruto was also using Kurama´s chakra too.So yes, Hashirama it seems it would take Naruto´s(insane chakra pool by himself) + Kurama (Ridiculosuly large chakra reserves) to match Hashirama´s.

Even if Obito found a way to stop Flower Tree world, Hashirama can use it again and again, no one can match his Mokuton and Sage Mode is without a doubt the most powerful out there given the magnitude of the Jutsu he can use in that form.

In summary out of every character we have seen fighting so far, no one would be able to defeat Hashirama one on one except Juubito who is almost as strong as SO6P.

 

[Jako98146]

Well, considering he had even the slightest info, I'd say Hashi wins mid diff
No info, Hashi wins high diff

 

[KidGamer65]

Don´t forget that Hashirama has an immense amount of chakra and he can literally fight for a whole day using insanely powerful jutsu time after time after time as proven at the VOTE fight...Hell he even said that Naruto sharing his chakra with the ENTIRE shinobi alliance was comparable to his own chakra reserves, then he proceeded to notice Naruto was also using Kurama´s chakra too.So yes, Hashirama it seems it would take Naruto´s(insane chakra pool by himself) + Kurama (Ridiculosuly large chakra reserves) to match Hashirama´s.

In summary out of every character we have seen fighting so far, no one would be able to defeat Hashirama one on one except Juubito who is almost as strong as SO6P.

I agree with everything you said, but another member made a thread that contains the original Japanese translation of what Hashirama said about the chakra, and explains that Hashirama actually meant his chakra is comparable to Naruto, Minato's and 100% Kurama combined.

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[juankimari]

I agree with everything you said, but another member made a thread that contains the original Japanese translation of what Hashirama said about the chakra, and explains that Hashirama actually meant his chakra is comparable to Naruto, Minato's and 100% Kurama combined.

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Damn if that is true then he is even more of a beast than anyone could have ever thought!!! No wonder people crapped their pants back there at the Uchiha Hideout when he showed a fraction of his chakra and again, no wonder why Oro could not restrain him.

 

[Murasame]

Madara's Katon which is equal to Obito's

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, Obito's won't either.

That was a different Katon from what I see..

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Besides can't you make the flames bigger the more chakra you put into it? Either way if that doesn't work then he can summon gedo mazo who aids him in destroying it.

 

[Lord Naruto San]

It's not a question. Even MS Obito defeats Hashirama.

MS Obito is defeated only by a team consisting of 2 or more shinobi, one of which must be kakashi.

Say Hello to Minato

 

[Awkward Linguist]

Say Hello to Minato

Say hello to 16 years ago.

 

[Lord Naruto San]

That was 16 years ago. Obito keeps up with BM Naruto just fine, and the time limit will never be reached by anyone but Konan.

Yea he had time to grow so would Minato idiot he was young could have upgraded his rasengans lmao Fanboy much you GOT OWNED. Plus Obito had MS . Had Kyuubi. Hashi cells free powerups and lost

 

[KidGamer65]

That was a different Katon from what I see..

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Besides can't you make the flames bigger the more chakra you put into it? Either way if that doesn't work then he can summon gedo mazo aid him in destroying it.

Must be a translation error or a mess up on Kishi's part, cause Madara used

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and it was no where near as large as what the scan you posted shows it was. Nor does it look the same

Not to mention the whole forest spans out farther than the Juubi would span out anyway.

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That's not how it works, different Katon have their size limits, otherwise other Katon jutsu's wouldn't even need to exist.

I already mentioned how he deals with the Mazo in my 2nd post in this thread.

 

[illidanson]

If we're not talking Juubito, Hashirama is definitely stronger than Obito.

What people sooooo, sooo, sooooooo often forget about Obito is that even though he has Kamui as an extremely strong defense he simply don't have any powerful offense jutsu. That's pretty much the reason why he lost to Kakashi in the Kamui dimension: Without Kamui he's nothing.

And I can assure you that none of Obitos attacks will work against a shinobi of Hashiramas level. And Hashirama won't even have to find an opening in Obitos Kamui defense (Which i'm sure he could). In fact he could just keep on defending himself and he'll eventually outlast Obito since he has chakra reserves comparable to the Kyuubi.

 

[RikudouMadara]

If were talking of Obito before SM then Hashirama wins imho. If current Obito then Hashirama loses 10/10. I feel ninja of Madaras time were just infinitely superior to current ninja of today's Naruto. They had life or death situations almost perpetually. Just my opinion.:yayy:

 

[oShux]

It's not a question. Even MS Obito defeats Hashirama.

MS Obito is defeated only by a team consisting of 2 or more shinobi, one of which must be kakashi.

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That is not totally necessary. If one is very powerful, he/she can keep him/herself alive and untoucheduntil obito reaches his time limit(kamui time limit) , then it's not so hard to defeat him(MS obito, of course).

Only because of his FTG without FTG Minato would've lost that fight. To fight Obito you most def need S/T ninjutsu.

 

[Murasame]

Must be a translation error or a mess up on Kishi's part, cause Madara used

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and it was no where near as large as what the scan you posted shows it was. Nor does it look the same

Not to mention the whole forest spans out farther than the Juubi would span out anyway.

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That's not how it works, different Katon have their size limits, otherwise other Katon jutsu's wouldn't even need to exist.

I already mentioned how he deals with the Mazo in my 2nd post in this thread.

Ah I see but I'm guessing the way they look different is because Madara put more chakra in the other one.

Yeah I know that now which is why I said if it doesn't work he can use Gedo Mazo once he's out of range.. but I saw your second post and I didn't see the last part Lol Yeah Hashirama wins considering how much chakra he has.

 

[KidGamer65]

Ah I see but I'm guessing the way they look different is because Madara put more chakra in the other one.

Yeah I know that now which is why I said if it doesn't work he can use Gedo Mazo once he's out of range.. but I saw your second post and I didn't see the last part Lol Yeah Hashirama wins considering how much chakra he has.

Then I'd assume that it'd look the same, but bigger. But it looks bigger and different. It looks more like the Katon I posted in my reply to you.

 

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[Murasame]

Then I'd assume that it'd look the same, but bigger. But it looks bigger and different. It looks more like the Katon I posted in my reply to you.

No they're both different Katons.. in Narutopedia they listed those two very fire techniques different.

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[KidGamer65]

No they're both different Katons.. in Narutopedia they listed those two very fire techniques different.

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You misunderstood what I said. I said that if the Katon Madara used alongside Obito's was indeed Gouka Mekkyaku but Madara just put more chakra into it, it should have looked like

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but only with a larger size.

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looked much more like

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[Transcendence]

MS Obito and Rinnegan Obito both lose to Hashirama. Flower Tree World+Mokuton spam dispatch of both versions handily. The only way for Obito to escape is to literally leave the battle which is inherently a forfeit. Mazo is a non-factor since Hashirama was able to single handedly restrain second form Juubi which is >>>>>>>>> Mazo. Although, it's clearly that Juubi Jin Obito takes Hashirama.