In theory Sasuke and Naruto have surpassed Hashirama and Madara

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No matter the variables the outcome is exactly the same in terms of how they got there abilities the same way. Also you state you "owned" me but this is a forum? lol as I stated before you have 0 comprehension skills.
Even he's smarter and agrees. Can't say the same about you. You just never stop.
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Even he's smarter and agrees. Can't say the same about you. You just never stop.
If the method is the same then what differs if they both achieved MS the same exact way? No matter the circumstances they both "unlocked" there abilities the same way

As I stated before 0 comprehension skills...
 

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I got what you are saying...
But the thing is that Naruto & Sasuke got here with the twists of fate while Hashi & Madara ploughed their road to this glory...

So, in my views Hashi & Madara are just the true bosses, no matter how much Naru-Sasu go beyond their level...
 
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Dont compare the Hashirama/Madara to Naruto/Sasuke
Hashi/Madara=Creators/Inventors of Jutsu
Naruto/Sasuke=Copying/Studying Hashi/Madara's Jutsu's

Imagine W/O Them what will they learn?..

~Idiots
 

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If the method is the same then what differs if they both achieved MS the same exact way? No matter the circumstances they both "unlocked" there abilities the same way

As I stated before 0 comprehension skills...
Have no Idea where did u get that from ...:what::what::what:

We still dnt knw abt how Madara got his MS ...!

Hashirama's flash back conform's that Madara isn't an Evil guy that can kill his own clan member's to obtain a powerup...!

Still dnt knw how Itachi got MS ...

Still dnt knw how Shisui got MS ...

Atleast these two ppl aren't bad enough to kill thire dearest PPL just to Obtain MS....


So thire method of obtaining MS is clearly dif from each other..........
 

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Have no Idea where did u get that from ...:what::what::what:

We still dnt knw abt how Madara got his MS ...!

Hashirama's flash back conform's that Madara isn't an Evil guy that can kill his own clan member's to obtain a powerup...!

Still dnt knw how Itachi got MS ...

Still dnt knw how Shisui got MS ...

Atleast these two ppl aren't bad enough to kill thire dearest PPL just to Obtain MS....


So thire method of obtaining MS is clearly dif from each other..........
It's confirmed that there emotions are how you unlock Sharingan and MS... Thus no matter the situation the trigger causes the same reaction... You came half way into the topic which is why you don't understand but to put it simple. Your friend feels MS is a gift lol

He is still sad that I made a troll thread yesterday about Naruto powers being a gift so he got upset and wanted to say Sasuke abilities including MS was a gift XD

I suck at trolling yet my troll threads always produce 5+ pages
 
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Madar was the FIRST one who activated MS.
Obito stated, Itachi wished Sasuke awake it when they fought. + They were transferred. So what was it? Exactly.

We're not talking about who's more butthurt. We're talking about strength. + Naruto went through hell in training. Sasuke got pills and got a boost from Orochimaru.
Can u stop trolling and hating on sasuke, cos ur points are so biased. Sasuke worked hard training with oro for 3 yrs, chidori nagashi, chidori senbon, chidori sharp spear, kirin, I guess all this were gifts too right? He didn't train to get them right?and itachi did not transfer any abilities to sasuke you're wrong. He only implanted a one time amaterasu to activate once his eyes came in contact with obitos. Sasuke unlocked his own ms after hearing the truth bout itachi. Ms was not a gift, he put up a good fight against itachi and pushed him all the way, its not like itachi rolled over and died so sasuke did earn his ms. I like how u say his Ems was gift but u don't say the same for madara who got his same ways as sasuke, that's biased. Also cm may have been given but he had to train it in order to use it effectively same thing with naruto and the kyuubi. Sasuke trained a lot so stop the hating
 
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It's confirmed that there emotions are how you unlock Sharingan and MS... Thus no matter the situation the trigger causes the same reaction... You came half way into the topic which is why you don't understand but to put it simple. Your friend feels MS is a gift lol

He is still sad that I made a troll thread yesterday about Naruto powers being a gift so he got upset and wanted to say Sasuke abilities including MS was a gift XD

I suck at trolling yet my troll threads always produce 5+ pages
Logically Yes, MS is a gift of Itachi for Sasuke ....Itachi planed Sasuke's powerup from the very beginning
We have absolutly no proof wether Tobirama's theory abt Uchiha is correct or not ....

There are PPl like Itachi and Shisui who obtained MS without that kind of mental breakdown and most probably Madara and Izuna will come's under this category....
 

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Dont compare the Hashirama/Madara to Naruto/Sasuke
Hashi/Madara=Creators/Inventors of Jutsu
Naruto/Sasuke=Copying/Studying Hashi/Madara's Jutsu's

Imagine W/O Them what will they learn?..

~Idiots
Hahahaha look what he posted and he is calling other members idiots geeez you most be a bigger,better one then.
 

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False. If Naruto and Sasuke would be in Madaras and Hashirama shoes by that I mean in war. They would be dead long long time ago, it takes skill and brain to survive during a war.

It is much easier to progress by "Training" with the people that can help you, than fighting in wars against thousands of people, barely surviving.

The major factor is that for example Sasuke... he had Orochimaru to teach him, Obito and Itachi to teach him about Sharingan, while Madara was the first one to DISCOVER everything.. MS, EMS, Rinnegan.. you do realize it's much harder to train something you don't even know of ?..

Same goes to Naruto, Jirayia helped him train his Kyuubi, and Killer Bee, Ma and Pa helped with his SM.. While tell me the other shinobi with Mokuton that could've helped Hashirama train ?
 

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False. If Naruto and Sasuke would be in Madaras and Hashirama shoes by that I mean in war. They would be dead long long time ago, it takes skill and brain to survive during a war.

It is much easier to progress by "Training" with the people that can help you, than fighting in wars against thousands of people, barely surviving.

The major factor is that for example Sasuke... he had Orochimaru to teach him, Obito and Itachi to teach him about Sharingan, while Madara was the first one to DISCOVER everything.. MS, EMS, Rinnegan.. you do realize it's much harder to train something you don't even know of ?..

Same goes to Naruto, Jirayia helped him train his Kyuubi, and Killer Bee, Ma and Pa helped with his SM.. While tell me the other shinobi with Mokuton that could've helped Hashirama train ?
Hey hashi and Madara had their family on their side anyone at that time would do all to survive plus if it cause Madara and hashi were able to kill adult shinobi at their age,naruto and sasuke already did that too if you go back and look at previous scans Madara and hashi re not all that much of little kids I m sure they look older than naruto and sasuke in shipunden one(1)...
 

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Can u stop trolling and hating on sasuke, cos ur points are so biased. Sasuke worked hard training with oro for 3 yrs, chidori nagashi, chidori senbon, chidori sharp spear, kirin, I guess all this were gifts too right? He didn't train to get them right?and itachi did not transfer any abilities to sasuke you're wrong. He only implanted a one time amaterasu to activate once his eyes came in contact with obitos. Sasuke unlocked his own ms after hearing the truth bout itachi. Ms was not a gift, he put up a good fight against itachi and pushed him all the way, its not like itachi rolled over and died so sasuke did earn his ms. I like how u say his Ems was gift but u don't say the same for madara who got his same ways as sasuke, that's biased. Also cm may have been given but he had to train it in order to use it effectively same thing with naruto and the kyuubi. Sasuke trained a lot so stop the hating
Training with pills? Getting gifts from older brother and a stranger? Gets a new summon by asspull? Kirin and Enton are the only sh*t he's developed. Nothing else. Not hating. Stating facts.

It's confirmed that there emotions are how you unlock Sharingan and MS... Thus no matter the situation the trigger causes the same reaction... You came half way into the topic which is why you don't understand but to put it simple. Your friend feels MS is a gift lol

He is still sad that I made a troll thread yesterday about Naruto powers being a gift so he got upset and wanted to say Sasuke abilities including MS was a gift XD

I suck at trolling yet my troll threads always produce 5+ pages
You know why they're 5+ pages? Because this time it's not. Besides you're the only one agreeing with your theories. Pretty sad.

Even the guy who at first agreed with you, doesn't anymore. Why? 'Cause you are either insane or a troll. I've burned you so many times, you need an iceberg after the next one.

Sharingan is with emotions. MS with action. Which Sasuke didn't f*cking do. Itachi already planned everything. You must seriously dumb to not understand the second biggest sidestory of the manga. Moron.
 

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Logically Yes, MS is a gift of Itachi for Sasuke ....Itachi planed Sasuke's powerup from the very beginning
We have absolutly no proof wether Tobirama's theory abt Uchiha is correct or not ....

There are PPl like Itachi and Shisui who obtained MS without that kind of mental breakdown and most probably Madara and Izuna will come's under this category....
Ms Was not a gift for sasuke. If he was too weak, and had been defeated easily by itachi, he won't have gotten the Ms, but no, he pushed itachi and made him bring out soosano effectively killing him.yes itachi helped by not wanting to kill sasuke but he didn't jus roll over, obito even stated he needed to push sasuke to his limits so as to make oro come out after sasuke is out of chakra and then seal him. Sasuke earned his Ms.
 

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Can u stop trolling and hating on sasuke, cos ur points are so biased. Sasuke worked hard training with oro for 3 yrs, chidori nagashi, chidori senbon, chidori sharp spear, kirin, I guess all this were gifts too right? He didn't train to get them right?and itachi did not transfer any abilities to sasuke you're wrong. He only implanted a one time amaterasu to activate once his eyes came in contact with obitos. Sasuke unlocked his own ms after hearing the truth bout itachi. Ms was not a gift, he put up a good fight against itachi and pushed him all the way, its not like itachi rolled over and died so sasuke did earn his ms. I like how u say his Ems was gift but u don't say the same for madara who got his same ways as sasuke, that's biased. Also cm may have been given but he had to train it in order to use it effectively same thing with naruto and the kyuubi. Sasuke trained a lot so stop the hating
Hey hashi and Madara had their family on their side anyone at that time would do all to survive plus if it cause Madara and hashi were able to kill adult shinobi at their age,naruto and sasuke already did that too if you go back and look at previous scans Madara and hashi re not all that much of little kids I m sure they look older than naruto and sasuke in shipunden one(1)...
No Obito ''Juubito'' arc.

Naruto - Kakashi, Killer Bee, Sasuke, Itachi, Sakura, 5 Kages, Rookie 12, Yamato, Sai, Jiraiya, Tsunade and some of Konoha.
Sasuke - Juugo, Suigetsu, Orochimaru, Kabuto, Kakashi, Naruto, Sakura, Karin, Obito, Rookie 12, Zetsu.

Hashirama - Clan, Tobirama... That's all?
Madara - Clan and Izuna... All? Maybe.

Well.. Compare.
 

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False. If Naruto and Sasuke would be in Madaras and Hashirama shoes by that I mean in war. They would be dead long long time ago, it takes skill and brain to survive during a war.

It is much easier to progress by "Training" with the people that can help you, than fighting in wars against thousands of people, barely surviving.

The major factor is that for example Sasuke... he had Orochimaru to teach him, Obito and Itachi to teach him about Sharingan, while Madara was the first one to DISCOVER everything.. MS, EMS, Rinnegan.. you do realize it's much harder to train something you don't even know of ?..

Same goes to Naruto, Jirayia helped him train his Kyuubi, and Killer Bee, Ma and Pa helped with his SM.. While tell me the other shinobi with Mokuton that could've helped Hashirama train ?



@ Read : Uchiha tablet

@ Bold : Mastering WS is nothing but mastering Nature manipulation (dif compared to normal shape Manipulation) , His father would have trained him ....

They are very closed to sage compared to current generation so they heared them from thire elders and learned them the fact that Hashirama,Madara and Tobirama had alot of knwldge on sage's tech's will prove that....
 
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