Alive Minato KCM Misconception

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I don't understand....what does this have to do with minato having the ability to use KCM while alive?
im saying minato has this ability before he died, people are saying minato can only use KCM because he became an EDO
im saying alive minato vs ???, he can use KCM, he just cant use bm like naruto, because he isn't confirmed to have it or master it
what??


i'll explain this. ^_^ Minato ALIVE in HIS LIVING BODY NEVER unlocked KCM mode..
he didn't even show that he could while he was alive. HIS Living body cant handle the strain of KCM mode.
Naruto CAN because of his DNA.. Minato is better off not taking damage from anybody cuz it hurts him so bad. Lol

KCM is something he has to train for. (like Naruto did) Minato's SOUL & Yin Kurama were in the Reaper's stomach
fighting each other for eternity (I suppose) according to that Orochimaru vs Sarutobi panel.
Minato's SOUL & Yin Kurama mingled for a long time and Edo Minato is able to learn how to use it now (KCM) because of all of that mingling .

If Minato could handle it while he was alive at any point , then he would have been chosen as jinchuriki for Kurama
instead of the Leaf having to hunt down Kushina (an Uzumaki with a strong body & life force) . ^_^

ALIVE Minato doesn't have KCM , he just has Yin Kurama's chakra inside of him using the RDS suicidal jutsu.
After the RDS jutsu is performed , but he does not have Yin Kurama's chakra before RDS is performed.
So since he got it via RDS (suicide) he doesn't have it before RDS (pre death).
His EDO body can handle KCM , but his LIVING body can not. Or at least he never had it alive. ^_^
 

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he sealed it inside himself first

maybe minato is just more skilled at rds than hiruzen

Look at the other half I posted for Hizuren along with the fact that he had already given his soul to the Shinigami. It was directly sticking out of it. Shiki Fuin is same, hence the process is same. I highly doubt there is much skill involved in giving your soul over to the Shinigami.
 

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-Him being out of chakra won't change the fact that Kurama's chakra numbed his body.

-He jumped in front of Kurama's claw to save Naruto, that's all he did. Nothing big so your point is invalid.

Jumping in front of a claw=/=Fighting cloaked in chakra that made you go numb when you inserted it into your body.



He died to obtain it so he doesn't get it while alive. It doesn't get any simpler than that. If he never had died he never would have gotten it and if he had never gotten it he never would have died.




Um, he was a dead man. He performed a sealing jutsu that kills him once it finished. You are grasping at straws here to give alive Minato KCM by taking his status, in the middle of his jutsu, instead of taking him once he has finished his jutsu.

If someone says Alive Minato vs X Character. It'd be Minato without Kyuubi's power.



No, if the Bijuu cooperates you obtain Bijuu Mode. KCM is obtained by ripping away some of its chakra and storing it in a separate place, also why would Kurama willingly help the guy who sealed him away? He won't. So he doesn't have KCM. Simple as that.

how do you know?? How do you expect minato to handle his body right if he's exhaust and out of chakra?

how is moving fast to save naruto, while having a numb body and fighting obito and full kyuubi a invalid point that he can handle kyuubi??? if hje couldn't handle it, he would've been lost control

there is a difference between minato actually PUTTING the chakra inside himself and him actually fighting with it, minato is using KCM right now and he never trained for it, why do you think he cant do the same in alive form? When he first did seal of course it was painful. This thread is not about minato using KCM in that exact condition, its about people not counting it in his alive features.

Answer my question: If Oro had died from using rds, Would you still count him with his arms in a 1v1 fight now?

naruto obtained KCM by ripping it away

kcm is also the chakra that the bijuu gives you, remember kyuubi told naruto that he couldnt go into bm yet

bm is nothing but the full mode

No, oro escaped before his soul was taken, minato's soul was taken before he sealed the chakra.

Minato was technically already dead, oro was not.

minato's soul wasn't taken yet, what are you talking about

why didn't you ask my question???
 

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Minato obtained the Kyuubi using a jutsu that kills him in the process

Hiruzen removed Orochimaru's ability to use his arms by using a jutsu that kills him in the process

Orochimaru gained his arm back by using a jutsu that kills him in the process. But here's the thing, Orochimaru switched bodies with before the Reaper took his offering, therefore bypassing the consequence.

If Minato could escape into someone else's body (and take the Kyuubi with him), and not die due to the effects of RDS, then he would be considered a Jinchuriki, and alive Minato would have Kyuubi.

answer this: if oro had died, would you still count him with his arms in VS fights???

do you count oro with his zetsu body in a VS fight??

Look at the other half I posted for Hizuren along with the fact that he had already given his soul to the Shinigami. It was directly sticking out of it. Shiki Fuin is same, hence the process is same. I highly doubt there is much skill involved in giving your soul over to the Shinigami.

I said minato may have been more skilled at rds

how do you think minato and hiruzen both used rds? that had to learn it somehow, summoning the shinigami doesnt kill, USING it does. Maybe that's how minato got more skilled than hiruzen.

i'll explain this. ^_^ Minato ALIVE in HIS LIVING BODY NEVER unlocked KCM mode..
he didn't even show that he could while he was alive. HIS Living body cant handle the strain of KCM mode.
Naruto CAN because of his DNA.. Minato is better off not taking damage from anybody cuz it hurts him so bad. Lol

KCM is something he has to train for. (like Naruto did) Minato's SOUL & Yin Kurama were in the Reaper's stomach
fighting each other for eternity (I suppose) according to that Orochimaru vs Sarutobi panel.
Minato's SOUL & Yin Kurama mingled for a long time and Edo Minato is able to learn how to use it now (KCM) because of all of that mingling .

If Minato could handle it while he was alive at any point , then he would have been chosen as jinchuriki for Kurama
instead of the Leaf having to hunt down Kushina (an Uzumaki with a strong body & life force) . ^_^

ALIVE Minato doesn't have KCM , he just has Yin Kurama's chakra inside of him using the RDS suicidal jutsu.
After the RDS jutsu is performed , but he does not have Yin Kurama's chakra before RDS is performed.
So since he got it via RDS (suicide) he doesn't have it before RDS (pre death).
His EDO body can handle KCM , but his LIVING body can not. Or at least he never had it alive. ^_^

minato never trained for KCM, he just got revived and active it, just because naruto did doesnt mean minato has to do the same process.

minato's half of the kyuubi seems different from naruto's half, so maybe kyuubi didn't fight minato he just give the chakra. we don't know how minatocan use KCM so fast, but HE CAN

once again, of course minato was hurt and numb from sealing the kyuubi inside himself, did you expect him to act like it was nothing??

the fact that minato finished his plan after fight obito and the full kyuubi and then after the sealing is proof that he can handle being a host if he has find a way to survive

btw, its not like edo tensei can teach minato how to control kyuubi chakra, its a skill, even kurama and naruto praised him when he used KCM with the training
 

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Bro :|

RDS KILLS the user. No matter what you say, minato used a sealing jutsu which kills you to get that chakra.

It is physically & logically impossible for him to have KCM, because he would have to be DEAD in order to have the seal.

Hope I made it clear...
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This right here.
 

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bro are you reading what im saying

I keeping saying rds kills you slowly, that how oro switched bodies

its not an instant death
 

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how do you know?? How do you expect minato to handle his body right if he's exhaust and out of chakra?
Having little chakra left doesn't mean you can't move your body. Otheriwse Sasuke wouldn't have been able to move after using Kirin. Not to mention Minato was exhausted, he wasn't out of chakra.

how is moving fast to save naruto, while having a numb body and fighting obito and full kyuubi a invalid point that he can handle kyuubi??? if hje couldn't handle it, he would've been lost control
Jumping in front of a claw is not the same as fighting with the chakra that numbs you cloaked around your body no matter how you try and exaggerate that feat. Its dumb to say he can fight with chakra that numbs his whole body just because he jumped in front of a claw.

there is a difference between minato actually PUTTING the chakra inside himself and him actually fighting with it, minato is using KCM right now and he never trained for it, why do you think he cant do the same in alive form? When he first did seal of course it was painful. This thread is not about minato using KCM in that exact condition, its about people not counting it in his alive features.
He doesn't get it because he had to perform a sealing jutsu that kills him once its completed, in order to get it. This isn't a difficult concept to understand.

He died to obtain it so he doesn't get it while alive.

Answer my question: If Oro had died from using rds, Would you still count him with his arms in a 1v1 fight now?
Obviously not, cause he would have died in order to obtain it.

naruto obtained KCM by ripping it away

kcm is also the chakra that the bijuu gives you, remember kyuubi told naruto that he couldnt go into bm yet

bm is nothing but the full mode

False. We've already seen how KCM is obtained. Anything else is speculation. Incorrect speculation at that. Kurama told him to wait to enter BM so he can gather more chakra for a better transformation. That only proves that Kurama fuels him with BM chakra, he isn't the source of Naruto's KCM chakra, which has already been proven in the manga.
 

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bro are you reading what im saying

I keeping saying rds kills you slowly, that how oro switched bodies

its not an instant death

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Having little chakra left doesn't mean you can't move your body. Otheriwse Sasuke wouldn't have been able to move after using Kirin. Not to mention Minato was exhausted, he wasn't out of chakra.


Jumping in front of a claw is not the same as fighting with the chakra that numbs you cloaked around your body no matter how you try and exaggerate that feat. Its dumb to say he can fight with chakra that numbs his whole body just because he jumped in front of a claw.


He doesn't get it because he had to perform a sealing jutsu that kills him once its completed, in order to get it. This isn't a difficult concept to understand.

He died to obtain it so he doesn't get it while alive.


Obviously not, cause he would have died in order to obtain it.



False. We've already seen how KCM is obtained. Anything else is speculation. Incorrect speculation at that. Kurama told him to wait to enter BM so he can gather more chakra for a better transformation. That only proves that Kurama fuels him with BM chakra, he isn't the source of Naruto's KCM chakra, which has already been proven in the manga.

if minato couldn't handle being a host he wouldn't have finished his plans. PERIOD, im done with this topic, all he said was that is was heavy and he continued with his plans, this is common sense.

ok now answer this: Do you count base oro with a zetsu body and his arms right now?

you keep talking how minato's condition was as soon as he used rds, im talking about alive minato in general, NO SCENARIO. Even if he died to get the ability that doesnt change the fact that he achieved the ability death or not.

like I said before, that's like saying suicidal jutsu shouldn't count in the character's arsenals

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I said minato may have been more skilled at rds

how do you think minato and hiruzen both used rds? that had to learn it somehow, summoning the shinigami doesnt kill, USING it does. Maybe that's how minato got more skilled than hiruzen.

...... I give up. This is beyond me.

Jumping in front of a claw is not the same as fighting with the chakra that numbs you cloaked around your body no matter how you try and exaggerate that feat. Its dumb to say he can fight with chakra that numbs his whole body just because he jumped in front of a claw.

He didn't jump in front of the claw. Minato actually, didn't move his entire body an inch after sealing the Chakra. If you look at the scans you would notice that Kurama was already behind them. He got pushed forward because of the force of the Claw. The only thing he did afterwards was move his arm a little to seal Kurama within Naruto completely. Other than that, that whole Numb feeling pretty much is set in stone.

@OP She isn't wasting your time. You thread makes zero sense as it's ALL about speculation.
 

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...... I give up. This is beyond me.



He didn't jump in front of the claw. Minato actually, didn't move his entire body an inch after sealing the Chakra. If you look at the scans you would notice that Kurama was already behind them. He got pushed forward because of the force of the Claw. The only thing he did afterwards was move his arm a little to seal Kurama within Naruto completely. Other than that, that whole Numb feeling pretty much is set in stone.

@OP She isn't wasting your time. You thread makes zero sense as it's ALL about speculation.

how am I speculating??

you just said minato never moved an inch after sealing the kyuubi inside himself

you clearly don't even read the manga, minato and kushina jumped in front of naruto
 
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how am I speculating??

you just said minato never moved an inch after sealing the kyuubi inside himself

you clearly don't even read the manga, minato and kushina jumped in front of naruto

Read my entire post. Minato NEVER Jumped in front of Naruto. He was already standing with his back to Kurama. Kushina is the only one who jumped. Yeah, it's clearly me.
 

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i'll explain this. ^_^ Minato ALIVE in HIS LIVING BODY NEVER unlocked KCM mode..
he didn't even show that he could while he was alive. HIS Living body cant handle the strain of KCM mode.
Naruto CAN because of his DNA.. Minato is better off not taking damage from anybody cuz it hurts him so bad. Lol

KCM is something he has to train for. (like Naruto did) Minato's SOUL & Yin Kurama were in the Reaper's stomach
fighting each other for eternity (I suppose) according to that Orochimaru vs Sarutobi panel.
Minato's SOUL & Yin Kurama mingled for a long time and Edo Minato is able to learn how to use it now (KCM) because of all of that mingling .

If Minato could handle it while he was alive at any point , then he would have been chosen as jinchuriki for Kurama
instead of the Leaf having to hunt down Kushina (an Uzumaki with a strong body & life force) . ^_^

ALIVE Minato doesn't have KCM , he just has Yin Kurama's chakra inside of him using the RDS suicidal jutsu.
After the RDS jutsu is performed , but he does not have Yin Kurama's chakra before RDS is performed.
So since he got it via RDS (suicide) he doesn't have it before RDS (pre death).
His EDO body can handle KCM , but his LIVING body can not. Or at least he never had it alive. ^_^
LOOK ALL THE HATE MINATO DIE AFTER HE SEAL THE CHAKAR SO MINATO SOLO ITACHI AND

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His soul was already in the hand of the devil himself... (Literally).

So if you want to use that minato against someone in a 1 vs 1.. go ahead.. but just know he would loose bad.
 

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...... I give up. This is beyond me.



He didn't jump in front of the claw. Minato actually, didn't move his entire body an inch after sealing the Chakra. If you look at the scans you would notice that Kurama was already behind them. He got pushed forward because of the force of the Claw. The only thing he did afterwards was move his arm a little to seal Kurama within Naruto completely. Other than that, that whole Numb feeling pretty much is set in stone.

@OP She isn't wasting your time. You thread makes zero sense as it's ALL about speculation.

Wow, I never even noticed that when I first read through it.
 

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i don't think minato's body is strong enough to handle the kyuubi chakra. edo tensie gives unlimited stamina and immortal body.
 
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