Alive Minato KCM Misconception

[Erin]

what?? its just a soul, he cant train while dead



oro used rds before he got a zetsu body but we still give him that feature, why is minato being treated differently from oro?

minato became a host BEFORE dying, there is nothing that you can say to change that and it will always be apart of his alive features too.

your basically saying that because minato dying to gain the power it doesn't count but IM saying who cares about him dying, he achieved this power BEFORE dying so its his

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2. When did oro use RDS? Lol
3. The difference is oro came back in a living state through partially his own doing, and was not completely dead. While minato came back in an edo body, which provides obvious enhancements.

 

[Touken]

how does him dying change the fact that he achieved this feature BEFORE dying?? its doesnt matter how long he was a host

rin was confirmed to be a host or a short amount of time but she's STILL confirmed to be a jinchuuriki, just like minato

Adding to what Draphsin said, Minato's body just can't handle being a host, especially the Kyuubi's host. It's why Uzumaki are chosen to become Kurama's host because of their natural longevity; they can handle being the host of Kurama.

 

[Made in Heaven]

Fact is, Minato can't use Kurama's powers in his human [alive] form

 

[~Sovereign~]

tobirama remembers hashi as the sage and himself as the witness to it <.<
minato takes after tobirama sort of and jiraiya & naruto are the sages . He is the witness that uses tobirama's jutsu . ^_^ minato didnt need to say he couldnt handle kcm , but while he was alive he said it was too overbearing for him.. Looked like he was bout to die or somthing. Then he did. ^_^ sadly t_t

I don't understand....what does this have to do with minato having the ability to use KCM while alive?

No guys he's basically saying he doesn't care that he was dead, he still gets to use his new powers. While dead. And he doesn't care that it doesn't make sense.

im saying minato has this ability before he died, people are saying minato can only use KCM because he became an EDO

im saying alive minato vs ???, he can use KCM, he just cant use bm like naruto, because he isn't confirmed to have it or master it

If Minto could use KCM when alive, I don't see why he wasn't made the jinchuriki rather than having to bring Kushina?

what??

 

[Made in Heaven]

what??

Exactly .

 

[~Sovereign~]

The difference is, in order to become the host, Minato HAd to die, that's the difference

that makes no sense, just because minato had to die to achieve an ability that doesnt mean he didn't achieve the ability

that like saying if someone uses a suicidal jutsu, then the jutsu doesnt count in their arsenal

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2. When did oro use RDS? Lol
3. The difference is oro came back in a living state through partially his own doing, and was not technically dead. While minato came back in an edo body, which provides obvious enhancements.

he used it to get his arms back and then he

SO BASICALLY, if alive Minato doesnt have KCM then alive/base/whatever Oro DOESNT have arms (he basically died, he just switched bodies with zetsu)

Adding to what Draphsin said, Minato's body just can't handle being a host, especially the Kyuubi's host. It's why Uzumaki are chosen to become Kurama's host because of their natural longevity; they can handle being the host of Kurama.

there is no proof of this statement, read below

BTW, all jinchuuriki don't have to be uzumaki to control a bijuu, look at killer bee

Fact is, Minato can't use Kurama's powers in his human [alive] form

proof? there is no proof

the fact that minato is using KCM without training is proof, that he can use it in his alive form

nowhere in the manga does it prove that an EDO body can help minato control kyuubi chakra, its 100% skills, it cant be given to minato

 

[CurseSealofEarth]

im saying minato has this ability before he died, people are saying minato can only use KCM because he became an EDO

im saying alive minato vs ???, he can use KCM, he just cant use bm like naruto, because he isn't confirmed to have it or master it



what??

Except he can't. You understand you don't just obtain the ability to use KCM right?

He would not be able to use KCM or even hold a Bijuu if he was alive, because not everyone is able to hold the power of a Bijuu within them, it's too much of a strain on their chakra to try and suppress them.

 

[KidGamer65]

-Minato had to use RDS to seal it into his body, and using RDS kills you once the seal is complete, Minato died to get the Kyuubi's chakra so he doesn't get it while alive. Far different than him getting it and then dying of unrelated causes.

-His body clearly couldn't handle it.

-There is a process to obtain KCM, which could have been circumvented had it turned out that Minato did not host the Yin Kyuubi so he had to have gone through the same process as Naruto to gain it, which he couldn't have done at the time so no he doesn't have it.

This really isn't debatable.

 

[Draphsin]

oro used rds before he got a zetsu body but we still give him that feature, why is minato being treated differently from oro?

Does minato have a jutsu which allows him to transfer his body over to another host? :|

minato became a host BEFORE dying, there is nothing that you can say to change that and it will always be apart of his alive features too.

Doesnt matter, he uses a jutsu which kills the user, your logic on this is flawed.

your basically saying that because minato dying to gain the power it doesn't count but IM saying who cares about him dying, he achieved this power BEFORE dying so its his

You cant discredit the way he got that power, that doesnt make sense. Okay...If we go by your scenario, tell me what jutsu minato used to obtain KCM? It wasnt RDS because that kills you so what jutsu did this hypothetical minato use in order to seal yin kurama inside of himself?

 

[~Sovereign~]

Except he can't. You understand you don't just obtain the ability to use KCM right?

He would not be able to use KCM or even hold a Bijuu if he was alive, because not everyone is able to hold the power of a Bijuu within them, it's too much of a strain on their chakra to try and suppress them.

and of course minato was hurt when he first sealed the kyuubi inside of himself, he just got done fight obito and kyuubi and he was out of chakra as it was. The point is that he's an official host and he can use KCM while alive, its not a EDO feature that he got from Oro.

minato did hold the kyuubi inside for awhile, he was still cooperating with kushina after sealing the kyuubi inside himself, so I think he can hold it.

 

[Touken]

there is no proof of this statement, read below

BTW, all jinchuuriki don't have to be uzumaki to control a bijuu, look at killer bee

I didn't say any bijuu, I said the Kyuubi.

It's exactly why they had Kushina come to Konoha from Uzushiogakure.

 

[Erin]

SO BASICALLY, if alive Minato doesnt have KCM then alive/base/whatever Oro DOESNT have arms (he basically died, he just switched bodies with zetsu)

Minato's soul was already removed when he sealed the chakra in him, orochimaru's never was. U_U

 

[~Sovereign~]

-Minato had to use RDS to seal it into his body, and using RDS kills you once the seal is complete, Minato died to get the Kyuubi's chakra so he doesn't get it while alive. Far different than him getting it and then dying of unrelated causes.

-His body clearly couldn't handle it.

-There is a process to obtain KCM, which could have been circumvented had it turned out that Minato did not host the Yin Kyuubi so he had to have gone through the same process as Naruto to gain it, which he couldn't have done at the time so no he doesn't have it.

This really isn't debatable.

he seemed to be handling it well even to finish cooperarting with kushina, if he couldn't handle it, he wouldn't have finished his plans, BTW, he was already out of chakra before he even used rds, what did you except him to say? the kyuubi's chakra isn't heavy?

for the 100th time, how does the fact that he died to get the ability change the fact that it worked and he was officially the host and was alive so this is this power?

if someone says, alive minato vs ???, minato clearly was a jinchuuriki and it was his power for about 5-10 minutes

there is only a process if the bijuu decides to fight you for control

Does minato have a jutsu which allows him to transfer his body over to another host? :|



Doesnt matter, he uses a jutsu which kills the user, your logic on this is flawed.



You cant discredit the way he got that power, that doesnt make sense. Okay...If we go by your scenario, tell me what jutsu minato used to obtain KCM? It wasnt RDS because that kills you so what jutsu did this hypothetical minato use in order to seal yin kurama inside of himself?

no, the point of me saying that was to show how oro kinda did the same thing has minato but people count oro with his arm even though he used rds too. Oro survived but he isn't in his body and people still count him with his arm but don't count minato with KCM. That 100% proof that Oro and minato both achieve features by using rds but since oro switched bodies people are contradicting themselves.

there is no scenario, im not saying minato was going to live with KCM

im saying that when people say ALIVE minato vs ???, why is KCM in his arsenal???? he had KCM for 5-10 before dying, so it Officially is his ALIVE power

 

[Draphsin]

im saying that when people say ALIVE minato vs ???, why is KCM in his arsenal???? he had KCM for 5-10 before dying, so it Officially is his ALIVE power

You still dont get it, there's no point in trying to explain such a trivial subject.

 

[shelke]

Am I the only one who believes that Minato having Kurama in his body in the first place, let alone KCM, is absolute garbage? When Hizuren used the Death God's seal all souls were eaten and housed within the Shinigami after he cut the links which were used by Hizuren to drawn in Tobirama and Hashirama's souls. Hizuren absorbed the souls at first as well, but his body was temporary vessel. The Shinigami absorbed it separately after cutting the links.

Same thing happened with Minato - the images are shown till the Shinigami licked his knife to sever the links, so we are aware would would happen next. So how on earth does he posses Kurama's chakra? We are also aware that Minato could barely move because of the chakra in his life, so that much is certain. Then there is the issue of Chakra Purification. How did he manage that, as this part of Kurama appears to have form as well - SHOCKER? Mind boggling.

 

[~Sovereign~]

I didn't say any bijuu, I said the Kyuubi.

It's exactly why they had Kushina come to Konoha from Uzushiogakure.

uzuamki in the best clan for jinchuuriki BUT that doesnt mean an uzuamki HAS to be the kyuubi's host, there just the best choice

Minato's soul was already removed when he sealed the chakra in him, orochimaru's never was. U_U

rds kills you slowly, oro switched his body before dying, minato didn't

here is my question: if oro had dying without switching into a zetsu body, Would you still count oro as having his arms now??

 

[KidGamer65]

he seemed to be handling it well even to finish cooperarting with kushina, if he couldn't handle it, he wouldn't have finished his plans, BTW, he was already out of chakra before he even used rds, what did you except him to say? the kyuubi's chakra isn't heavy?

-Him being out of chakra won't change the fact that Kurama's chakra numbed his body.

-He jumped in front of Kurama's claw to save Naruto, that's all he did. Nothing big so your point is invalid.

Jumping in front of a claw=/=Fighting cloaked in chakra that made you go numb when you inserted it into your body.

for the 100th time, how does the fact that he died to get the ability change the fact that it worked and he was officially the host and was alive so this is this power?

He died to obtain it so he doesn't get it while alive. It doesn't get any simpler than that. If he never had died he never would have gotten it and if he had never gotten it he never would have died.

if someone says, alive minato vs ???, minato clearly was a jinchuuriki and it was his power for about 5-10 minutes

Um, he was a dead man. He performed a sealing jutsu that kills him once it finished. You are grasping at straws here to give alive Minato KCM by taking his status, in the middle of his jutsu, instead of taking him once he has finished his jutsu.

If someone says Alive Minato vs X Character. It'd be Minato without Kyuubi's power.

there is only a process if the bijuu decides to fight you for control

No, if the Bijuu cooperates you obtain Bijuu Mode. KCM is obtained by ripping away some of its chakra and storing it in a separate place, also why would Kurama willingly help the guy who sealed him away? He won't. So he doesn't have KCM. Simple as that.

 

[~Sovereign~]

You still dont get it, there's no point in trying to explain such a trivial subject.

I don't know why

minato has the kyuubi inside of him while alive so why don't people count it? that's basically it

Am I the only one who believes that Minato having Kurama in his body in the first place, let alone KCM, is absolute garbage? When Hizuren used the Death God's seal all souls were eaten and housed within the Shinigami after he cut the links which were used by Hizuren to drawn in Tobirama and Hashirama's souls. Hizuren absorbed the souls at first as well, but his body was temporary vessel. The Shinigami absorbed it separately after cutting the links.

Same thing happened with Minato - the images are shown till the Shinigami licked his knife to sever the links, so we are aware would would happen next. So how on earth does he posses Kurama's chakra? We are also aware that Minato could barely move because of the chakra in his life, so that much is certain. Then there is the issue of Chakra Purification. How did he manage that, as this part of Kurama appears to have form as well - SHOCKER? Mind boggling.

he sealed it inside himself first

maybe minato is just more skilled at rds than hiruzen

 

[Erin]

rds kills you slowly, oro switched his body before dying, minato didn't

No, oro escaped before his soul was taken, minato's soul was taken before he sealed the chakra.

Minato was technically already dead, oro was not.

 

[Vegeto30294]

minato has the kyuubi inside of him while alive so why don't people count it? that's basically it

Minato obtained the Kyuubi using a jutsu that kills him in the process

Hiruzen removed Orochimaru's ability to use his arms by using a jutsu that kills him in the process

Orochimaru gained his arm back by using a jutsu that kills him in the process. But here's the thing, Orochimaru switched bodies with before the Reaper took his offering, therefore bypassing the consequence.

If Minato could escape into someone else's body (and take the Kyuubi with him), and not die due to the effects of RDS, then he would be considered a Jinchuriki, and alive Minato would have Kyuubi.