EMS Sasuke > SM Naruto

[Sennin of Logic]

Unlike KA which has been stated to brainwash people by implanting a memory, tsukuyomi traps you in some dream world to be tortured while amaterasu burns you to death. You're going to kill someone with deja vu? :|


MS rapes him like it or not. Naruto can engage sasuke's Kusanagi in CQC all he wants, sasuke will cut his arm off with a raiton powered blade, then impale him on a chidori lance before finishing him with a punch from ribcage susano'o

Kabuto, who's sage mode isn't perfected like Naruto's, dodged everything you just listed easily. On top of this, he gives the credit to sage mode.

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This fight proved how utterly useless a susanoo's attacks are on someone with even imperfect senjutsu, much less someone who's mastered senjutsu to perfection like Naruto.

 

[Midday]

are you suggesting that naruto in sage mode could fight both sasuke and itachi? please explain how his feats are better. stop comparing snake sage mode to toad sage mode, they are clearly different. you can't use face marking examples to suggest kabuto's isn't perfect.

naruto dodging the third raikage isn't a feat suggesting he can dodge two arrows fired at once.

how would Sm naruto break susanoo?

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and if you say madara's susanoo or the same level are greater than sasuke's ill refer you to this

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I'm not suggesting anything, what i've typed is all that i'm trying to get across. They have difference but they also have similarities stop trying to dismiss it. All sm users gain enchanced physically abilities, reactions, enhanced technqiues with their sm energy etc. I'm only commenting on the obvious similarities which is the sensing ability. Dodging the raikage at point blank then accurately forcing him to stab himself is a great reaction/sensing feat regardless of what you've got to say. Naruto can sense the arrows in advance just like Kabuto and has the ability to physically get out of the way, it's not like he has to travel far just a few cm's to avoid the arrow. I haven't even got onto Naruto using clones as a diversion to help him deal with the projectiles. Move on, he's not getting taken out by an arrow.

 

[H a n]

EMS.. Of course.. That is like..closer to the war arc then SM.. That is why Naruto when and created a better bond with Kurama.

 

[slimreaper]

Kabuto, who's sage mode isn't perfected like Naruto's, dodged everything you just listed easily. On top of this, he gives the credit to sage mode.

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This fight proved how utterly useless a susanoo's attacks are on someone with even imperfect senjutsu, much less someone who's mastered senjutsu to perfection like Naruto.

stop saying his sage mode isn't perfect, he has perfected it and since when can naruto change his body like that? Id like to see him dodge it with two arrows coming.

Like I've said before naruto isn't breaking susanoo and he isn't on the level of kabuto, he would lose going toe to toe with sasuke and itachi

 

[slimreaper]

I'm not suggesting anything, what i've typed is all that i'm trying to get across. They have difference but they also have similarities stop trying to dismiss it. All sm users gain enchanced physically abilities, reactions, enhanced technqiues with their sm energy etc. I'm only commenting on the obvious similarities which is the sensing ability. Dodging the raikage at point blank then accurately forcing him to stab himself is a great reaction/sensing feat regardless of what you've got to say. Naruto can sense the arrows in advance just like Kabuto and has the ability to physically get out of the way, it's not like he has to travel far just a few cm's to avoid the arrow. I haven't even got onto Naruto using clones as a diversion to help him deal with the projectiles. Move on, he's not getting taken out by an arrow.

naruto isn't breaking susanoo. naruto doesn't have the feats to dodge an arrow. he isn't kabuto stop giving him kabuto's feats.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

your argument starts flawed. would naruto have been able to beat those paths if deva could fight from the start?

and considering naruto only saw blind exhausted sasuke; how would he know?

That's a reasonable question, but I have scans that show the answer.

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Naruto had Sage mode activated while Sasuke had susanoo activated. Considering the precision of SM's sensing...

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He probably sensed susanoo, allowing him to make a decent judgement.


As for Pain, he can't beat planetary devastation, so no, he wouldn't beat Deva Path without Kurama. I'm just pointing out how he managed to kick Deva Path's but when he didn't have planetary devastation.

 

[KidGamer65]

Why are people saying Kabuto doesn't have a perfect SM? The only appearance change is the horns he gets on his head, everything else was present in his base form as he fused with Oro's cells. Of course he'll have snake features.

Also, why is there a debate on whether Naruto can evade Susanoo arrows? Obviously he can.

 

[iNotorious]

naruto isn't breaking susanoo. naruto doesn't have the feats to dodge an arrow. he isn't kabuto stop giving him kabuto's feats.

Are you talking about BASE Naruto - SM naruto or KCM/BM naruto?

 

[Midday]

naruto isn't breaking susanoo. naruto doesn't have the feats to dodge an arrow. he isn't kabuto stop giving him kabuto's feats.

Have I even mentioned Susnaoo?

Stop ignoring everything I've said, he's got the feats and i'm not given him Kabuto's feats. Sm users all get the same sm enhancements, the difference is the abilities they use. Kabuto hasn't even got perfect sm, if he did he wouldn't take on snake like traits like Jiriya did with toads.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

stop saying his sage mode isn't perfect, he has perfected it and since when can naruto change his body like that? Id like to see him dodge it with two arrows coming.

Like I've said before naruto isn't breaking susanoo and he isn't on the level of kabuto, he would lose going toe to toe with sasuke and itachi

Ahem.

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Physically SM Naruto>SM Kabuto. I know Kabuto morphed his body, but he credited his escape to SM reflexes.

 

[Midday]

Why are people saying Kabuto doesn't have a perfect SM? The only appearance change is the horns he gets on his head, everything else was present in his base form as he fused with Oro's cells. Of course he'll have snake features.

Read up on sm,

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Kabuto has scales all over him, he doesn't even look close to perfect. The eye markings I can let go, since that's all Naruto and Hashirama have, but he's got a load more snake features on him.

 

[slimreaper]

Are you talking about BASE Naruto - SM naruto or KCM/BM naruto?

base,SM or KCM.

And BM is disputable until proven otherwise

 

[slimreaper]

Read up on sm,

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Kabuto has scales all over him, he doesn't even look close to perfect. The eye markings I can let go, since that's all Naruto and Hashirama have, but he's got a load more snake features on him.

no one else has ever gotten snake sage mode so how would anyone know if there is a difference. Stop referencing toad sage mode

 

[slimreaper]

Ahem.

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Physically SM Naruto>SM Kabuto. I know Kabuto morphed his body, but he credited his escape to SM reflexes.

Id have to disagree your last point id say SM kabuto is superior given his feats

 

[KidGamer65]

Read up on sm,

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Kabuto has scales all over him, he doesn't even look close to perfect. The eye markings I can let go, since that's all Naruto and Hashirama have, but he's got a load more snake features on him.

His scales come from merging with Oro's cells, not from Sage Mode as

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has scales on his body and Sage Mode isn't going to make those changes disappear.

Kabuto has Perfect Sage Mode.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

no one else has ever gotten snake sage mode so how would anyone know if there is a difference. Stop referencing toad sage mode

If you'll look at my post above, Pa said Naruto was a true sage. Kabuto admitted to Sasuke and Itachi that he couldn't become a true sage. Naruto's SM attributes>Kabuto's manga fact.

 

[slimreaper]

How does SM naruto block Amaterasu? yes he can sense it but what tools does he have for blocking it? he can't dodge it no matter how good his reflexes because sasuke can always follow him with the sharingan. So please how does he block amaterasu?

 

[slimreaper]

If you'll look at my post above, Pa said Naruto was a true sage. Kabuto admitted to Sasuke and Itachi that he couldn't become a true sage. Naruto's SM attributes>Kabuto's manga fact.

re read, he says orochimaru can't become a true sage,like him

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Id have to disagree your last point id say SM kabuto is superior given his feats

Kabuto's ninjutsu that goes with his SM is superior to Naruto's. However, the physical attributes of Naruto's senjutsu are superior by far.

 

[Midday]

no one else has ever gotten snake sage mode so how would anyone know if there is a difference. Stop referencing toad sage mode

I'm applying something called "common sense". We know sm is perfect when you don't take on any of the animals features stated by Pa. Kabuto is covered in scales and has horns. You're saying it's perfect like Naruto and Hashirama's who only have marking on their face and now animal traits?

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