Kisame (Edo sasori) vs. Onoki (Puppet Master) PUT YOUR POKER FACE ON! WHO WILL WIN???

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Kaaant said:
You owe the Bloody Mist Advocates a lil' shout out, Edo Sasori u_u
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I just took your cropped stuff because I was too lazy to crop stuff myself. xD And I couldn't find Kisame's Databook Pages. Zzz
 
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Edo Sasori said:
I just took your cropped stuff because I was too lazy to crop stuff myself. xD And I couldn't find Kisame's Databook Pages. Zzz
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A typical Sasori fan trying to go the easy way out. Tisk tisk.
 
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If i see anymore Kisame porn i'll no longer visit this debate.Seriously stick to memes and gifs like Princess C does with Zexion.
 

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Kaaant said:
Use my stuff all you want, i didn't even notice you using them. I was reffering to dem exploits bro.
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Indeed. I learned some stuff about Kisame from you guys. :cool:
 
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lmao Kaant what you said about Edo Sasori in your rep comment.XD
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Sexy Kisame? Two can play that game u_u
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Onoki's Defense, Part II
Now since both of them start on the ground, Kisame can rush Ohnoki just like he tried to rush Bee and his comrades. What exactly am I trying to say here? Well, Ohnoki tends to use that Flight Technique of his and it would be easier for Kisame if he keeps Ohnoki on the ground. He can do that by making Samehada absorb the Chakra used for Ohnoki's Flight Technique. Also let me mention that Kisame can easily close the gap by making Samehada's hilt extend. If Kisame does indeed manage to keep Ohnoki on the ground, Ohnoki would get crushed by Kisame's natural strenght.

Since Onoki has been seen flying most of the time, even outside combat, I don't think it's safe to say that Onoki will get blitzed by Kisame. Since we haven't been given a starting distance, this is a bit more complicated, but unless they're standing in each other's face, Onoki will not be blitzed by Kisame, simply because his flight is instant and Kisame doesn't have intel on him, something you might have forgotten, it is also quite farfetched to say Kisame will absorb the chakra used for flight, since Samehada's maximum absorbing range doesn't seem to be very large. [
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] In fact, we could even argue that Samehada needs to touch in order to absorb, and since I already showed what happens when you try to get into CQC with Onoki, it might actually be fatal.​

However, if Ohnoki does indeed by some chance manage to fly off, I must admit that it would be harder for Kisame to catch him, but what matters is that he can still get to him. Kisame was able to create huge waves despite not being at his full power. Kisame can reach Ohnoki by ridding on one of these huge waves and if he needs to, he can jump to close the gap. The fact that Samehada can extend her hilt doesn't make things easier for Ohnoki.

Yet again, I don' think this argument would be sufficient to stop Onoki's flight, since we've seen just how high he can go [
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], basically telling us that Onoki has potentially the best agility in the manga.​

If anything else fails, Kisame has one more way that can reach Ohnoki. Yes, I'm talking about his Water Dome Technique. This also means that Kisame will be fused with Samehada so he can absorb Chakra faster than before. Now how does the Water Dome work? It follows it's user where ever he goes so if Kisame decides to swim up, the Water Dome will follow so he would basically be flying. Not to mention that the Water Dome would move quickly due to Kisame being too fast in the water. Once Ohnoki enters the Water Dome, it's over. Kisame will absorb all of his Chakra. He won't be able to use his Flight Technique anymore because the Water Dome itself would absorb the Chakra he uses for that technique.

Alright, this is where it gets good. But don't turn into FemmeFatale now, Kisame can't fly Lol I'm going to prove this with a piece of science.

[
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] <-- This is an article on water droplets, the fact that Kisame's water dome stays together isn't magic, it is in water's nature.

The drop takes this shape because water molecules tend to stick to each other. So, when not confined by a container, and with nothing around it to distort its shape, a very tiny water drop is perfectly round like a ball because the water molecules are pulling inward toward each other.

Alright, so we can now tell that Kisame's new form amplifies this into creating it into a huge dome, but it certainly doesn't grant it the ability to fly, inside it, yes, Kisame can 'fly' simply since the dome is huge and he can move around all he wants, but no, he can't fly.

Alright, now on to part II of the counter, here you can see how Bee could sustain his V2 form inside the water dome [
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], this basically tells us that Ninjutsu can be used inside it. Then we can safely say that with Onoki's flight, he could make his body lighter in order to fly up the dome and outside of it. The reason Bee didn't do it is simply because he can't fly, and he had the two others to take care of.

To further back up my statement, if you were to drown, anyone's basic reaction would be to go up. There is nothing that could hint that Onoki would not do this.​

Now how does Kisame counter Jinton? Well, Kisame has exactly two counters for it:

1) Samehada.

How exactly does Samehada counter Jinton? Simple, in order for the Jinton to kill someone, the Jinton would 'eat' it's target. Let me remind you that wasn't Kisamehada which means that the Kisamehada would absorb the Jinton even faster unless you think that the amount of Chakra used for Jinton is comparable to the amount of Chakra that Bee's V1 has. Kisamehada's absorbing skills are as half as good as Preta Path's are.

Now you claim that the Jinton can destroy Chakra while I claim that Kisame would absorb it. As far as I remember, Jinton is still a Jutsu that uses Chakra so it will be absorbed. I don't remember that someone stated that Jinton destroys Chakra. As far as we know, it destroyed Madara's Susano'o because it's a good offense. Kisame's absorbing skills are so good that he almost taken all of the Hachibi's Chakra.

Even if the Jinton does some damage to Kisame, it doesn't matter since Samehada can easily regenerate him.

You may be right about this though, since Jinton is chakra, Kisame might be able to absorb it. However, I wonder how well Samehada would handle absorbing a Kekkei Tota, which contains three chakra natures, also hinting that this technique requires a massive amount of chakra to perform, backed up by the fact that Muu can't use Jinton while split. Now let's take another look at the large scale Jinton that Onoki can perform, like I already explained earlier, he can choose to wipe the map clean with a huge Jinton [
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What also backs up by statement, is that Samehada might only be able to absorb upon physical contact, nevertheless its range is not very large. And since Jinton first encompasses the target, we could confirm that its initial state is a form of intangibility [
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2) GSB

This is Kisame's 2nd way to counter the Jinton and like Kisame said, GSB absorbs Chakra and grows bigger. Also I'd like to point up that Kisame said ''The stronger my opponent's Ninjutsu is, the better it works.'' One more thing, please do look at where Kisame is in the top panel of the scan I just provided. You can clearly see that Kisame is just a little dot so GSB is huge. Would Ohnoki even have time to escape it? I don't think so.

Now that I have countered Jinton, I only have to counter the clones and the weight techniques. I'd like to point out that the Rock Clones can be countered by Kisame's Water Clones. And these Water Clones are stronger than Ohnoki's Rock Clones due to the Water Clones being able to wield their own copy of Samehada and they can use Kisame's techniques.

While it is true that GSB can absorb Jinton, although the two techniques are so different it would probably look weird, I don't think GSB is fast enough to hit Onoki, it's never been shown to be a fast technique, since it still took some time for Kisame to realize it couldn't absorb Hirudora, when both techniques were moving towards each other at great speed, perhaps while casting Jinton, Kisame would have an opening, although I think we can all agree on the fact that GSB has slower startup time than Jinton, since it comes from a water source. When GSB is fired head-on, Onoki won't have any problem moving around it, since he's fast enough to fly up to Kabuto and Deidara, while the latter didn't notice until he had already landed a hit on Kabuto. [
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And about the rock clones, I think Onoki would have the advantage about which is stronger, since rock clones are actually made of rock and will break apart when hit, Kisame won't have an easy time destroying them like he would destroy shadow clones. [
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] Then there's also what I said about Onoki being able to make either Kisame or Samehada heavier, incapacitating them. I honestly think Onoki's clones have the advantage here, especially since they'd be able to use these [
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] These golems are a very good defense against Kisame's Suiton, and with the appropriate weight control, they'd be able to turn Kisame's clones into side dishes :cool:​


Onoki's Offense, Part II
This is a bit short since I did majority of this while countering your posts.

The first thing I'd like to point out, is that after Onoki escapes the water dome, he'd have a perfect opening to counterattack, increasing the weight of the water to suffocate Kisame. Since nobody has probably ever flown out of his water dome before, Kisame will probably run out of options for a short time, since this is arguably his strongest technique. Not only could Kisame potentially die of getting a fatal injury to his organs, but his water dome would surely not be able to sustain its own weight, and collapse on top of Kisame. I'm fairly certain this would finish Kisame off since Onoki could even make a meteor light enough for Gaara's sand to sustain it. [
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] This would basically turn the water dome into Kisame's undoing.

Now going back to Jinton for a bit, looking at the scan I showed where Onoki destroyed the Flower Tree Crap and Madara's Susano'o, a Jinton of that size could seriously injure Kisame since, like I said, Samehada is a melee weapon. It also doesn't cover 360 degrees, which Jinton does, meaning Jinton will injure, if not fatally injure, Kisame. Whether Kisame can react in time to decrease the damage by absorbing the impact, I don't know. Also note that one of the elements that make Jinton would be Katon, Samehada's weakness, further adding to the fact that Samehada might not be able to absorb the impact in time.

After seeing the scale of Kisame's techniques, Onoki surely won't be going easy on him.


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Puppet probably put a screamer in that spoiler....
 
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