Zexion ( Kakuzu ) vs Forbidden Technique ( kisame ) MOST ANTICIPATED MATCH OF 2013!!!

[Fodder#4]

Lmao nope ...

Rag-manl>>>>>Sharkgirl

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This match up? THe she shark stomps.

 

[Zexion~]

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This match up? THe she shark stomps.

Pure fanfiction (although it amazes me how you have a picture for every topic)

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^^This is a good sig ..so i had to post it

 

[Fodder#4]

Pure fanfiction (although it amazes me how you have a picture for every topic)

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^^This is a good sig ..so i had to post it

You posted a yoai of Kakuzu and Hidan............. And an awesome sig for Kisame.....

Did you convert, Zexion?

 

[deidara senpai]

You posted a yoai of Kakuzu and Hidan............. And an awesome sig for Kisame.....

Did you convert, Zexion?

I was about to say that xd

 

[AGoodBoy]

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This match up? THe she shark stomps.

Is it wrong that she-kisame is mighty arousing?

 

[Fodder#4]

Is it wrong that she-kisame is mighty arousing?

Not at all....

 

[Zexion~]

You posted a yoai of Kakuzu and Hidan............. And an awesome sig for Kisame.....

Did you convert, Zexion?

No i've always liked both ^_^

and pretty sure Kakuzu is supposed to be female here

But fine...

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[AGoodBoy]

No i've always liked both ^_^

and pretty sure Kakuzu is supposed to be female here

But fine...

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[Zexion~]

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Thanks my man lol, although can't tell if real or CG

 

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[Zexion~]

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I wouldn't call this page disgusting

 

[Fodder#4]

I wouldn't call this page disgusting

Gay and gender bent pictures of Kakuzu make this page disgusting... If only it were filled with more Shesame.

 

[Zexion~]

Gay and gender bent pictures of Kakuzu make this page disgusting... If only it were filled with more Shesame.

it was a ****ing FEMALE lmao

 

[Zexion~]

Bumpin this

 

[Forbidden Technique]

Unfortunately, I had to really rush this post, which will be shown towards the end of my rebuttal; I've been very busy lately. Anyways, regardless of who the winner of this debate is, I'd like to say; Nice job Zexion. This was a really great debate, though very damn long >.> but nevertheless, great debate.​

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These are rather pointless, but f*** it!

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No i meant farther U_U. The attack used to destroy Kakuzu's lightning mask was a wind style ...Which A) Is its weakness, and B) Tends to have no problems remaining in the air. Unlike a liquid bullet fired from below, the force of gravity will act on it quickly, and it will soon begin to arch down and back into the ground below. Has Kisame ever shown that water Horn technique? No he hasn't ...Even if he is a master of the suiton... might as well give Kakuzu every elemental jutsu there is seeing as he has mastery over all elements

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In that case, it makes absolutely no difference. The range of which the fan hit Kakuzu's masks isn't out of Kisames reach. Especially when taking my little tactic in consideration, which you just shrugged off because you assumed Kisame is incapable of using something such as the Water Horn technique. Actually, the Water Horn was only used as an example, because I didn't think someone would question Kisames prowess with suiton. But, I suppose you had no other counter.. *sigh* Kisame only needs to spew out a surge of water, similar to what he did

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only upward to the sky. And now I'm going to just simply reiterate myself. Kisame can then implement many Shark Bombs coming from many different angles out of this pump of water. This combo will surely make for an unpredictable assault on his masks; especially when it can be coupled by a few Mizu Bunshins.

Indeed i did mishap a little with my point, although using a feat of absorbing an ext. little amount of chakra, to prove that merged it can be capable of absorbing a Bijuu Cloak is a little flimsy its whatever..Not that it matters much

I have no idea what you're trying to say here. Kisame alone completely drained a jounin rank ninja of all his chakra within seconds. That feat added to Samehada's 6 tails worth of chakra absorption capabilities doesn't make it viable to say the fused Kisame and Samehada absorption ability isn't comparable to his individual counter parts? It should be clear that Kisamehada>Kisame/Samehada individual absorption capabilities.

Not seeing what the problem is here, If he can successfully absorb it like i thought he could, what would be the reason he did not in that first scan i posted? Merely speed caught him off guard which is what Kakuzu's raiton still could of accomplished had i not been mistaken, this was merely an attempt to make me look weak that backfired, as now you look like an utter fool

You're not getting it. You just equated that Samehada's absorption capabilities=Kisamehada's (Which is wrong). So according to this, Samehada NOT being able to absorb the V2 in time [

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] should be comparable to the time Kisamehada DID successfully absorb the V2, partial transformation, and cloak [

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] So going back to your previous post, you contradicted yourself when you said Kisame could absorb the V2 cloak then stated you provided the fact that Kisame could then not absorb the V2. But, as you can see, both instances clearly aren't comparable. So going back to your previous post; Kisame did not "prove himself wrong" by saying the V2 is too much to consume for Samehada by then doing so while in fusion mode. So no, it wasn't speed that caught him off guard, he was bracing for it [

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] ..It was simply too much for Samehada to absorb it all. So indeed you were mistaken.

Oh god..How many times are you going to spout BS about this fight. The reason Kakuzu did not utterly destroy kakashi in that particular instance (and many others) Was for the reason that he wanted to replace the heart Kakashi had destroyed..with his own as Kakuzu suggests here

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and demonstrates

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there it also is proven when he used the Katon heart from a good 25 meters away

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Merely because he was not trying to kill Kakashi at all, he wanted his heart.

That whole tree proving the Fuuton hearts speed is rather, no entirely silly because as you could tell if you actually bothered to read this fight Multiple tree's were taken down by that kick, well of the manga scan's image as well

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to the left and right. You can also tell that it actually is a considerable distance by merely looking at this scan

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then adding in the factor of how far he was pushed back by Hidan

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and the fact that it was IMMEDIATELY back at Kakuzu's side, as we did not even see it land is a speed feat on its own.

Is that so? Rather odd, considering after Kakashi took out one of Kakuzus hearts, Kakuzu and Hidan decided to go ahead and use a combo attack that has never failed to kill their opponent [

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] Which means, they had killing intent. And it seems to me that it wasn't a big priority for Kakuzu to take Kakashi's heart; especially when he was about to kill him

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despite having the perfect opportunity in doing so.

Multiple trees were taken down by that kick because the tree Kakashi landed in, collapsed and fell on the one beside it, creating a domino effect with the rest of the trees falling down; which is what you see happening

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. And you can clearly see Kakashi was still inside of the tree [

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] right before being attacked by Hidan [

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] directly above the same tree he was kicked in. And you know what, since your trying to fabricate things beyond belief; I'm going to make this whole sequence as clear as possible.

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Unless your Ray Charles to the manga scans, which I think you are, you can clearly see that the tree Kakashi was kicked in, wasn't far away from Kakuzu and his masks at all! Where Hidan and Kakashi clashed, was directly above the same exact tree Kakashi was initially kicked in. And that's where the fuuton mask attacked [

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] The mask didn't travel far away from Kakuzu before using it's technique and flew right back to it's side. So again, the masks have no speed feats whats so ever.

Yes but how is this all happening when
1: the attack in question is a fuuton most likely which that wave is not shielding him from

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that, and a GSB? With what water, he has not used a suiton yet and he most certainty is not going to be able to utilize both the wave and GSB before that fuuton hits..as is evident in that scan Kisame rises with the wave, so that technique is not giving him any shelter in fact its making him more exposed to the deadly damage of the wind

When did I ever state that the Suiton: Bakusui Shōh was going to be used to counter Kakuzu's fuuton. Read more carefully next time. I stated that the Suiton: Bakusui Shōh will allow Kisame to counter his Katon. While, a GSB>any of his elemental attacks. The GSB is a technique that requires a single clap of his hands and no water source [

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] Considering Kisame was able to create his own lake and Water Dome out of nothing, as well as hold it together with his chakra alone; it isn't really debatable whether kisame can use the GSB without a water source or not. And because Kakuzu doesn't have the slightest clue of how the GSB will absorb his techniques and grow bigger and stronger, he won't expect it eating right threw the masks techniques, resulting in this massive suiton directly hitting Kakuzu; and potentially taking out a heart with it.

The fact of the matter is it still takes time for him to merge, also that scan you psoted of him being "partly merged" is just him entering his fully merged mode..But again it takes time so the threads removing it from his grasp will still work,

And again... I suppose Kisame can fully merge with Samehada but not partially merge... makes a whole lot of sense. It's simply merging but not doing it completely. Grasping at straws as always I see. Don't see how the tendrils will be grasping anything away as long as Samehada is absorbing the chakra manipulating it.. :dunno:

Because Ino-Shika-Cho were totally behind the blast ..again read the fight please

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it was the backlash of the attack, just gust of wind that was fired behind them.

And again look in the entry "A very densely compacted tornado mass is launched at the opponent"

now then whats the definition of compacted so yes this is indeed crushing the WD from the outside, not to mention it also states that it GOUGES THE EARTH which normal gusts of wind won't due ...

Not quite sure where you got that definition from, but when looking it up on the webster dictionary, that definition isn't present [

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]. Keep in mind that the way the DB entry used the word 'compacted' is an adjective. Not to mention, that only seems to be the case when it is launched at the opponent. As the DB specifically says "A very densely compacted tornado mass launched at the target. When it impacts, the air pressure, raised to the extreme, knocks down everything in it's path"

The fuuton is launched as as densely compacted tornado mass:

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When it impacts, the air pressure, raised to the extreme, knocks down everything in it's path: [

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So when it impacts, the the densely compacted tornado mass loses some of it's compressing properties and becomes more free. Explaining why the knocking down of trees.

In any case, if the wind is only compressing down like you say, then when combined with fire (which is light and easily manipulated) it should be bearing down on the earth more so then it originally is even without the compressing wind [

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] But as you can see that's not at all the case when the fire is combined with the "compressing" wind that "knocks down" trees and not crushes [

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] it's carrying the katon which is a perfect example of the winds trajectory.

So your comparing doton to suiton now? This may be an even worse example, by that logic a wind user could spawn a jutsu wherever there is wind...Doton is the easiest of the elements to transfer you chakra from place to place due to their being a solid trail that leads to wherever you want it to go. Now then lets specifically prove this argument wrong its not that hard, just look at Kisame's 5 feeding sharks jutsu

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see that white stuff extending from Kisame's finger tips, its chakra, which is then transported to spawn the sharks wherever it is, So no he is not spawning anything instantly the chakra must travel first, which would never Catch Kakuzu regardless but it also leaves Kisame wide open to attack as he has to focus to do this ... The mizu bunshin's are made of water..so the chakra did not have to go anywhere, hence why he was able to accomplish such a feat.

Does spawning fuuton out of wind even make sense? Has that ever been shown to be done as Suiton has been shown to spawn out of water [

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]? And Doton out of earth [

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]? So no; that "going by this logic" doesn't even work. And your claim that Doton is the easiest element to transfer chakra threw holds no weight, as you don't even have proof of this. Just a mere assumption, a there is nothing that even suggests this. Doton is the easiest element to transfer chakra threw because of the solid trail you say? A) There is not even a trail, it's just it's simply a wide open area of earth (likewise with water) and B) Transmitting/Emitting chakra was shown to be near instant as Nagato was able to transmit his chakra for quite some distance to control the 6POP's; as well as Itachi emitting his chakra within a

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to defend himself against Kirin [

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] with a instant Susano'o activation [

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] which is made of pure chakra. So the time it takes to emit chakra and to then transmit it doesn't take long at all. The fact that Kitsuchi was able to transmit his chakra a considerable distance threw the earth within a short amount of time is proof of this as it's no different from water. And you seem to assume i'm not implying that chakra has to travel; when in fact, that is what I'm implying. Of course the chakra has to travel. My point is chakra being transmitted takes no time at all. It took no time for Kisames chakra to transmit over a large area of water when he created an entire wave of 1,000 individual sharks [

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Regarding the 5 feeding sharks; you're not taking into consideration of the mechanics of this jutsu [

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] The chakra is traveling in a spiral, forming the sharks, which in turn creates the vortex disabling the opponents movements. Again, Kisame transmitted enough chakra to create a wave made of 1,000 sharks with a single hand [

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] Just like he did with the 5 feeding sharks. So this really isn't a good example, nor did it disprove anything.

@ Bold- Thanks for proving my point for me. What are the Mizu Bunshins? Water created by Kisames chakra. What is the WD? Water created by Kisames chakra. Chakra is able to travel at a fairly high speed when being transmitted; adding on to the fact that the WD is already water created by Kisames chakra, which makes it even easier for him to spawn a suiton technique within the dome.. that doesn't need to be right next to him, as it's merely just shaping the already present water/chakra into shark bombs. And you seem to forget, this point was brought up to be used on Kakuzu's masks to take them out quickly, assuming they were caught within the dome. Not on Kakuzu himself, as he could simply use Domo to defend himself.

Don't know why your always inculding Mizu Bunshins here...when he has never shown to use them except as a way to capture 3 kids...Why your making it your go- to technique is astonishing, doubt he is going to simply use that right away, as he clearly does not use that technique as much as you make it out, But whatever this strategy was really one of my least important

So because Kisame has only shown to use his Mizu Bunshins 1/3 of his fights, it's not plausible he will use them here? Despite being outnumbered 4 to 1? Much like how he was outnumbered during his fight with Team Gai when he used them? Yeah.. seems to me like you have no way around them if your really bringing this up. If we consider everything Kisame was able to accomplish with only 3/10 of his power; Mizu Bunshins harnessing

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of the original's power is simply too OP while concerning Kisame. Much like Kakashi's kamui, it can't be used in every fight or else it would be nearly impossible for the opposition to when. Nevertheless, the fact that we only seen Kisame fight 3 times, doesn't give us enough reason to say whether Kisame does/does not incorporate this in most of his fights. And considering, we, the debater, are the brains of what our combatant will use, I don't see what your problem is.

So Your comparing Kisame's awareness to an Itachi's who was half blind, and a father who was desperate to get his son back at any means.. Even trying to negotiate with Obito

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frantically might i add not to mention Itachi's problem is no where nead the same as the paper bombs, so yes i would say that is an accurate comparison of Kisame's awareness

And now your grasping at straws once again. Regardless of what means Minato was taking to get his son back, he fell for the paper bombs. Arguing this is futile as like Minato, Kisame was still able to avoid it.

Again least important argument, although as you can see from that scan and this one

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Kisame's view would still be hindered ...Kakuzu could easily take advantage of this and restrain him with threads that caught a sharingan user off guard

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and then proceed to end him by removing an important organ

Kisames line of sight wouldn't be hindered if he slashes the technique in half.. [

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] or if he took the underground escape rout. Neither would Kakuzu be retraining or removing organs as long as Kisame is wielding Samehada which will render the tendril manipulation useless.

Don't know why i bothered arguing this because either way the Water dome would be shrunk immediately, which again grants Kakuzu a much easier time to escape...not that he really would want to as he could end Kisame perfectly find under the dome

And again, were going in circles here, the evaporation of water caused by Kakuzu's fuuton+katon is easily dealt with by adding more water into the Dome, which Kisame or Mizu bunshins are fully capable of doing. All Kakuzu would successfully do is waist his chakra, which is vital against Kisame.

Way to contradict yourself bud, you just made a huge post about how Kisame's and Samehada's absorption is different then you go and compare Kisamehada's to Samehada's lol, not that this matters as again i'll have to prove that the chakra is not in the threads U_U but i'll counter this nonetheless as we all can plainly see Naruto's Kyuubi chakra is indeed visible

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everyone can see it easily

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Now as i informed you over VM Kakuzu control's his threads with chakra that remains inside him how can i prove this? By this very scan

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His form was already changed, and Yamato stated that he was "BUILDING UP CHAKRA" as in inside his chakra system, all that chakra that he builds up in his chakra system then allows him to control that many threads at one time as i said earlier similar to what we thought the third Kazekage did with his chakra ...its the same normally except without that mass of chakra inside him,

So to make sure you don't misinterpret me again i'll spell it out for ya

He controls the threads via the chakra that remains inside his chakra system
His hearts (made of threads) Are controlled via the chakra he pushes through the chakra tubes of said heart's not the threads themselves

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so yes if Kisame was able to get close To Kakuzu he could indeed absorb his chakra like any other shinobi he faces, but that is simply not happening.

Lmao, what in Gods name are you even talking about, never did I mention Kisamehada nor posted a scan regarding their fusion mode in this rebuttal. And just to let you know; I'm frowning upon your "counter" regarding Samehada being able to absorb non-physically present chakra :| Your posting irrelevant scans to the matter at hand. That being [

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] Do you see any visible chakra shroud? Do you Ray Charles? Just because you see it in that fight with Neji doesn't justify it being present when Samehada absorbed it. And then you go and contradict your "counter" in the bold by agreeing with me.

I hope you know, what you're saying isn't adding up. I'm going to use how we thought the 3rd Kazekages used Jiton as an example, as that's what your trying to compare Kakuzu's tendril manipulation to. We initially thought Jiton (Magnet Release) works by the user (3rd Kazekage) magnetizing his chakra creating a magnetic force to either push or pull. Which explains why (What we initially thought) he doesn't need to infuse chakra within the iron sand or use chakra telepathically to manipulate it as does Gaara. So what I'm saying is, the chakra that resided within the 3rd Kazekage made him magnetic which aloud him to manipulate the iron sand threw magnetic fields. This is NOT the case in Kakuzu's situation. Since you're claiming that chakra isn't flowing threw the tendrils, you're thus implying that Kakuzu's chakra system is manipulating the tendrils via chakra transmission (Like Gaaras Sand). As that's the only other viable way the chakra is effecting the tendrils in order to manipulate it (which isn't the case) but even if it was, Samehada will still be able to absorb the chakra as did Preta Path did to Gaaras Sand [

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] which stopped the manipulation.

Second of all, you said it yourself;

As you can see here, His body is completely thread

Kakuzu's body is completely made of threads. Earlier you claimed that Kakuzu has no veins that are carrying blood throughout Kakuzu's body, but you're claiming he has a chakra system which are practically veins that carry chakra throughout the body

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And the chakra system is what wraps around the chakra producing organs (such as the heart) which is the source of everybody's chakra

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So according to your claim that Kakuzu possesses a chakra system; every time Kakuzu replaces a heart [

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] the chakra coil acts on it's own and automatically attaches itself to the newly replaced heart? Furthermore, when Kakuzu detaches his hearts within

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the said chakra coils that he has no control over just detach from each other and reattach when the hearts re-enter his body? Not likely. That is classified as a medical ninjutsu, something Kakuzu has never shown to possess. All we know is that Kakuzu is only able to manipulate his tendrils with chakra. Nothing indicates he is able to do the said same with chakra coils. Thus, Kakuzu doesn't possess chakra coils. It is his tendrils that are the "chakra system" of his body transferring chakra within them. That is what keeping the hearts alive. And which also explains why, when the chakra producing hearts stop functioning and die, the tendrils no longer have chakra running threw them, causing the tendrils to lose it's shape and begin to melt. Something that shouldn't have happened if the tendrils never possesses chakra within them in the first place, as there would be no reason to completely change in texture and shape.

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Now i know what your thinking "Kisame could simply grab onto the threads and absorb his chakra through them" Although this is correct their is a simple way for kakuzu to counter this. As is most commonly known,Kakuzu must leave his earth heart within his body to perform Doton Domu, Which means there would be 2 Chakra tubes Kisame must absorb, since Kakuzu can easily push his chakra through the Earth Hearts Chakra tubes as is evident when he performs the Doton Domu jutsu as that is what is required (as proven by my earlier scans) and if the heart has chakra it has already shown it can manipulate threads without Kakuzu's immediate assistance

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If Kisame were to ever Some how grab hold of Kakuzu's threads and try to absorb chakra from them which might i add he most ceraintly is not doing with these

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anyways The earth heart would send out more threads to impale Kisame with, that would rip out an organ once again.

Also just a side note Kisame's body can't absorb every aspect of chakra that touches him

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Another contradiction between your points. How is Kisame going to grab onto the threads and absorb Kakuzu's chakra threw them if they don't contain chakra as you initially claimed? That wouldn't be possible if they didn't.

That scan you posted of Kisame combating Asuma; Asuma didn't release his chakra end of the blade until the split second of making contact with Kisame. Again, if Kisame doesn't see it coming, Samehada won't take it upon himself of absorbing the chakra as I've proven in my previous rebuttals.

All this is absolutely bull shit ..You can't clone another living organism ..its that simple Samehada is not a weapon its a creature U_U And obviously they used the doppelganger jutsu on samehada that fight because it sure as hell was not a water clone (water did not appear after it was beaten) And since Kisame knows not this Doppelganger jutsu his...clones....won't...****ing.......samehada

Lmao, quite the weak counter you got here. I bring up manga and DB facts, you bring up nothing other then denial.
Thank God this is my final post, because having to reiterate myself for 3+ times is getting annoying.

Nagato's cloning techniques requires nothing other then the USERS CHAKRA [

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Do you follow?

Only a single body was used to create the Kisame clone [

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] While the other body was Itachi's [

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] No living creature was used to create the Samehada clone

Still following?

This means that the Samehada clone was made purely out of Kisames chakra that was given to Pain (What is a Mizu Bunshin made of? Kisame's chakra)

So you can get angry at the fact that the DB pages and Manga disagrees with you, all you want; but a Samehada clone made out of Kisames chakra still has all of it's original abilities.

Funny how that whole first part made absolutely no sense i said his threads could deal with clones..which is evident in that scan AND his plot troll moment...as you want to know what his threads were doing? Destroying a clone..really your knowledge of Kakuzu's fight is simply astounding ..its Ext. Low

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the part that was plot, was that he did not use his jutsu to obliterate Naruto from behind, when he clearly showed he could do so earlier

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also notice how they went from the side in that scan..to the front

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so don't say it was because Naruto appeared behind him...Which btw was never really explained ....Naruto magically appears behind kakuzu? lol Plot

Anyways as for the underground part that's where your wrong

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"FLUID STATE and since fluod = not solid They would not explode upon impact until they hit Kisame, Not to mention the lightning heart would rip through earth regardless...Also i obviously meant they would fire once Kisame was in front of them ...U_U How you could not figure that out is beyond me

FACT remains, Kakuzu got feinted not once, but twice by the same exact tactic! Lmao, says so much about his 90 years of experience. Of course you refuted everything by blaming it on plot, so I'm not even going to go there. Then you claim that Kakuzu shouldn't of been feinted by behind because of

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? When it's clearly beside him and not covering his back side. Really can't be bothered with entertaining the rest of this.

Regarding the Subterranean Voyage; And Kakuzu is going to know where Kisame is... how? Sorry I didn't assume you were this silly. Kakuzu nor the masks possess sensor abilities. If Kakuzu doesn't know of Kisames whereabouts underground, he can't have his masks fire off their jutsu. It's not up to masks noticing Kisame being in front of them, it's Kakuzu. And even if they did, this tactic is still foolish. Besides the lightning mask, the rest of them will still end up killing themselves as they're certainly not durable as Kisame, nor do they possess regeneration capabilities.

Jesus...Obviously he did not there because the mask creatures were inside his body PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD READ THIS FIGHT its clear you have never before or else the idiotic things you are saying would not be said ...I just stated logical reasons he could, and you refuted them by saying that he can't becaue he did not in a situation where he COULD NOT...Wonder what the judges will think

I'm not even going to entertain your laughable comments. I just really can't even take them serious. Clearly you can't tell the difference between the masks being inside Kakuzu

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and merged with Kakuzu [

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] as their is no difference between then and when the two masks merged without Kakuzu [

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] Yet no sign of Kakuzu being capable of going airborne, instead he chose to enter long range mode to deal with Naruto.

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Thats so easily wrong its laughable i'm assumoing you saw this however and for some reason just decided to ignore it ..look in that scan in the left most box

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you can clearly see him entering the water and swimming off Since nothing transpired that even suggests he could of gone airborne he clearly is swimming in the bottom right scan as well,

You can clearly see that there is a water source that is moving along with the bubbled shark...And then he merely fell of the edge into the water No clue why your saying it can fly here

Another frowned upon counter :| Either you didn't bother to read once again, or your incapable of doing so, Ray Charles. This was countered within the texts. Where exactly did he swim to, when he was in such a small body of water that didn't allow him to go anywhere [

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Then you conveniently decided to ignore the rest of the points I stated; which confirms Kisame being able to go airborne.

Regardless if Kisame did in fact swim away in the manga or not, it's unimportant. As Kisame has shown other means of going airborne.

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His shark summon was able to go in a aerial state within a small dome like structure of water. Operating much like the Water Dome, Kisame will be able to go airborne within this smaller dome of water. Depending on the speed of which he can swim, is how fast he'd be able to travel in the air. Which, I must say; Is pretty fast [

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] ...even without the fusion of Samehada.

As i said earlier the earth heart can do it on its own, although he's not even getting close to Kakuzu, ..not to mention Kakuzu's chakra is one of the highest for non Jins. in the series (Besides Kisame of course) He'd still be able to function while getting chakra absorbed from him because unlike Bee he can still function since he needs no oxygen

All this is futile. Kisame has drained, not only Killer Bee, but the second most powerful Bijuu of nearly all of their chakra [

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] He'd have no problem doing the same to Kakuzu who isn't on the same level in terms of chakra capacity.

Ok then...the same strategy will be taken by Kakuzu since again his threads DO NOT CONTAIN CHAKRA the giant mass of them will continue right through the GSB And impale Kisame who will be in the middle of the shark, Bet he would have the same idiotic look on his face once he realizes the threads are not made of chakra,

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thus ends the fight

The tendrils do in fact contain chakra which renders this useless.. but I'm going to counter this tactic as if they didn't. Not only do you assume that the big bulk of his tendrils will be moving fast enough under water, but you assume that Kisame will be within his range. The tendrils have to travel threw a lot more of water (Considering how massive the Daikodan is) then what the Daikodan has to travel (When it's in it's own element). Then being faced with having to pas threw water and the force within Daikodan, the tendrils still need to pack enough force to pierce Kisamehada's very durable body to the point where it will deal life-ending injury. All which is not likely to occur before the Daikodan reaches Kakuzu; ridding him of his chakra and hearts.

Who said anything about restraining, do you not know what Kakuzu's threads are capable of? They can impale others just as easy, not to mention the threads do not even contain chakra..so hes not sensing shit, and they still impale Kisame... Easily, in seconds Kakuzu was able to come dig that deep into Kakashi's chest

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...I'd go as far to say its quicker then Kisame's absorption of chakra...not like the threads have chakra to absorb anyway's, no Kakuzu hitting Kisame with tendrils that crush the earth are a good idea actually

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Don't believe I need to spend any time countering everything here. All I'm going to say is, notice how Kakuzu had to pin Kakashi on the ground to remove his heart [

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] to gain support from the ground to strengthen the tendrils penetrative force. It's going to be a lot harder for him to penetrate someone who is far more durable within the water with no such sturdy support. Without something to support Kakuzu's tendrils, all he'd manage to do is push Kisame back. Can't be bothered to fully counter something that is assuming the near impossible; that being Kisamehada not noticing Kakuzu's attacks within the water dorm. Sorry.

Are you this foolish? Did you not understand that Kakuzu would of Killed Kisame if he goes after the masks? As i have stated he's not draining shit from them. You also are a fool for thinking the masks would all leave in one direction? No they would scatter into different directions not allowing Kisame to trap all of them

Again.. Kisame has shown to be able to deal with multiple targets more then once.. [

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I have no other words for your claims that Kakuzu will catch Kisame off guard while fused with Samehada in his own domain in which he flourishes.

In regards for me being fool, Kisame only needs to take them out one by one. If the heart within Kakuzu dies, then the remaining hearts will come to his aid, which is what Kisame wants. He wants the prey to come to him [

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Clearly you are not getting the fact that his threads don't require chakra


Anyway's Kakuzu defeats Kisame with usage of his EGF here, Kisame's speed may be increased when underwater dome but its not enough to get through Kakuzu's Threads which were capable of catching a pre-cog user off guard, Firing suitons does not work as he still Has domu, and then GSB has already been countered easily and would lead to Kisame's downfall as it did against Guy. Kakuzu has considerably fast threads extending in all directions

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leaving Kisame no opening to get close To Kakuzu and absorb his chakra, Kakuzu WILL hit him with his threads thus removing his heart and ending the battle, Even infiltrating his gills if he has too, and while all this offensive action is happening Kakuzu would have threads left over to defend from Anything Kisame pulls, If he some how miraculously gets close, i have proven in an above point that threads would still impale Kisme regardless if he is absorbing chakra, as he can spawn threads throughout his whole body

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, Basically Kisame has no way around the combined force of EGF pressuring him from all angles, and Domu halting his every Jutsu except GSB which is countered as well..Kakuzu is the victor in this hard fought match

And So it Ends....

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I'm just going to leave this at that. I'll let the judges decide on whom brought up the more convincing argument concerning the chakra flowing within the tendrils or not.

As far as your concluding paragraph goes.. you couldn't possibly be more far off target. Kakuzu can't accomplish Domo and his EGF in tandem with each other. And if he could, due to his entire back being completely exposed [

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] the Domo, which only works on skin, wouldn't do justice in completely defending Kakuzu and his heart. A simple counter to this is, Kisame using his 1,000 sharks (Or however large amount the given water source permits) envelope himself within one [

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] and blitzing Kakuzu with sheer numbers. No amount of threads will be able to take out 100+ sharks coming his way, resulting in Kakuzu having to use Domo to defend himself. When all the shark bombs crash into Kakuzu and Domo defense it will surely muster up a large cover of bubbles, which allows Kisame (who is inside a shark) to get within absorption range of Kakuzu and strip him off all his chakra/destroy his heart. Or an alternative, Kisame can use the same tactic in using his 1,000 or so sharks and follow it up with a GSB. The threads can't destroy all the sharks in time, leaving Kakuzu open if he doesn't use his Domo. Whether he uses it or not, he gets smacked with a GSB (which he has no knowledge on and will assume will be tanked by Domo) rendering him of all his chakra. Either way Kakuzu is easily overwhelmed with combo attacks (seen when he was feinted twice in a row by Naruto). Soon as Kisame strikes down the heart within Kakuzu, the rest will blindly enter the domo awaiting to get destroyed. Or Kisame can even summon real life sharks to devour kakuzu's lifeless body in the meantime. And for the record; if Kisamehada manages to get a hold of Kakuzu, he is done. No matter which way the tendrils are manipulated via chakra, the absorption rate of which Kisamehada is able to utilize (which I've reiterated multiple times) will render his tendrils absolutely useless! GG Kakuzu.

Had to rush the hell out this last part :dunno:
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[Fodder#4]

Fatality...?

 

[ItachiStylez]

Hmph, Rookie Debaters.

 

[deidara senpai]

You felt rushed yet how long it was lol you guys went ham but great job to both nonetheless and I look forward to the final verdict

 

[Zexion~]

Your ...counter....to....my chakra not controlling my threads part... :|

Is just random speech?

And Never did i say that the threads bring the blood across his body...

Other then that and a few other fallacies about Kakuzu

Pretty Damn good Post U_U

 

[Forbidden Technique]

Hmph, Rookie Debaters.

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Your ...counter....to....my chakra not controlling my threads part... :|

Is just random speech?

And Never did i say that the threads bring the blood across his body...

Other then that and a few other fallacies about Kakuzu

Pretty Damn good Post U_U

Well then it seems that I have failed to convince you, and likewise with me. So let's let the judges determine who brought up the more convincing argument regarding the tendrils being manipulated by chakra.