Zexion ( Kakuzu ) vs Forbidden Technique ( kisame ) MOST ANTICIPATED MATCH OF 2013!!!

[Cornson]

Im really loving these VS threads. I wish I can join in on one. BTW originally I thought Kisame would take this easily but zexion proving kakauzu can breathe underwater was incredible. That really changed a lot. After Zexions first post I was all for Kakuzu winning then forbidden countered and now I have no idea . I never really thought this battle would come this far. KUDOS! Thanks for the interesting reads guys!

Small question though because this has bugged me for a while. Can two great debators debate who will win between Itachi and Sasori? I really want to know. I know Drproof likes using sasori, so can someone like Prince Charles use Itachi? Can this happen?

your mistaken, he can't breat underwater, because "drumroll" he dosent breath at all

 

[Zexion~]

Im really loving these VS threads. I wish I can join in on one. BTW originally I thought Kisame would take this easily but zexion proving kakauzu can breathe underwater was incredible. That really changed a lot. After Zexions first post I was all for Kakuzu winning then forbidden countered and now I have no idea . I never really thought this battle would come this far. KUDOS! Thanks for the interesting reads guys!

Small question though because this has bugged me for a while. Can two great debators debate who will win between Itachi and Sasori? I really want to know. I know Drproof likes using sasori, so can someone like Prince Charles use Itachi? Can this happen?

your mistaken, he can't breat underwater, because "drumroll" he dosent breath at all

Lmao ...Ya FT's good but i'll get him although unfortunately i can't post until the morning as i have somewhere to go,

 

[Fodder#4]

Lmao ...Ya FT's good but i'll get him although unfortunately i can't post until the morning as i have somewhere to go,

Not if you keep insulting DBZ... The judges are probably already shaking their heads at ya!

 

[Zexion~]

Not if you keep insulting DBZ... The judges are probably already shaking their heads at ya!

Lmao :O

nah they probably agree its so awful

 

[Cornson]

Lmao :O

nah they probably agree its so awful

I wuden't risk a debate on that...

it's like posting racist slurs about black people and crossing your fingers none of the judges are black... (or moral)...

 

[Prince Charles]

I wuden't risk a debate on that...

it's like posting racist slurs about black people and crossing your fingers none of the judges are black... (or moral)...

lolz xd made me laugh

 

[iiDarui]

This debate reminds me of that one time I guest started on Tosh.0....

 

[Zexion~]

Guess i'm gona actually have to get my hands dirty

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I'm going to commend you on this, it seems I was wrong. Good job in proving Kakuzu doesn't require oxygen to stay alive.​

Indeed He can ...

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I'm assuming you meant wider range, as the shark bomb can be used for a mid ranged attack as the fan. And it doesn't necessarily only have to be Shark Bombs; it could be a technique with wider range such as the

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, which can be used in order to implement many Shark Bombs coming from many different angles out of this pump of water. Similar to when Kisame implemented his Water Prison within the Mizu Bunshins [

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] This combo will surely make for an unpredictable assault on his masks; especially when it can be coupled by a few Mizu Bunshins.

No i meant farther U_U. The attack used to destroy Kakuzu's lightning mask was a wind style ...Which A) Is its weakness, and B) Tends to have no problems remaining in the air. Unlike a liquid bullet fired from below, the force of gravity will act on it quickly, and it will soon begin to arch down and back into the ground below. Has Kisame ever shown that water Horn technique? No he hasn't ...Even if he is a master of the suiton... might as well give Kakuzu every elemental jutsu there is seeing as he has mastery over all elements

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So now you're comparing Samehadas absorption capabilities to that of Kisame ( who has his own innate chakra absorption capability [

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] ) fused with Samehada? As if it's not blatantly obvious that the fused Kisame and Samehada has greater absorption capabilities then individually.

I'm going to post this again so you can fully understand why Samehada who can only absorb [

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] worth of Bijuu chakra (manga fact) isn't comparable to the absorption rate of Kisamehada;

Indeed i did mishap a little with my point, although using a feat of absorbing an ext. little amount of chakra, to prove that merged it can be capable of absorbing a Bijuu Cloak is a little flimsy its whatever..Not that it matters much

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@ Bold- That's a nice contradiction between your points you got there. You said that Kisame proved himself wrong when he said that the V2 was too much to consume by successfully absorbing the V2 chakra... then you said you provided the fact that Kisame wasn't able to absorb the V2 chakra as a testament to why the raiton would be too fast for him. All while comparing Samehada and Kisamehada's absorption capabilities as if they were equal. Make up your mind here, because these weak points aren't adding up.

Not seeing what the problem is here, If he can successfully absorb it like i thought he could, what would be the reason he did not in that first scan i posted? Merely speed caught him off guard which is what Kakuzu's raiton still could of accomplished had i not been mistaken, this was merely an attempt to make me look weak that backfired, as now you look like an utter fool

Lol the same awful logic you've been using throughout this debate? It's funny how you initially bring up the Masks doing the ambushing on Kisame then when I bring up the fact that the Masks haven't shown to the capability of flying that fast (as in faster then their attacks) to accomplish an ambush, you use Kakuzu who was doing the ambushing as an example as to why the Masks can do it. Then you ignore the fact that every time Kakuzu utilized his masks was in parallel to his target(s) [

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] In fact, even when Kakuzu had the perfect opportunity with Kakashi surrounded [

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] ( Because Kakashi jumped in between them [

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] ) He didn't even opt to ambushing Kakashi with the Raiton Mask, but instead he proceeded with a frontal attack once again [

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] And, oh, nice; Use the fuuton mask returning to Kakuzu side as a speed feat. How iimpressive :| You can clearly see the fuuton mask popping up behind Hidan [

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] on the same hollow tree Kakuzu kicked Kakashi in [

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] ... Which wasn't far away at all! So the fuuton mask traveled up then down to Kakuzu's side.... Wow, you must be joking.

Oh god..How many times are you going to spout BS about this fight. The reason Kakuzu did not utterly destroy kakashi in that particular instance (and many others) Was for the reason that he wanted to replace the heart Kakashi had destroyed..with his own as Kakuzu suggests here

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there it also is proven when he used the Katon heart from a good 25 meters away

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Merely because he was not trying to kill Kakashi at all, he wanted his heart.

That whole tree proving the Fuuton hearts speed is rather, no entirely silly because as you could tell if you actually bothered to read this fight Multiple tree's were taken down by that kick, well of the manga scan's image as well

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to the left and right. You can also tell that it actually is a considerable distance by merely looking at this scan

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then adding in the factor of how far he was pushed back by Hidan

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and the fact that it was IMMEDIATELY back at Kakuzu's side, as we did not even see it land is a speed feat on its own.

What the hell is a Suiton going to do? Lmao, what a silly question. I don't know... maybe protect Kisame from getting hit from Kakuzu's elemental attacks? A GSB will take care of every elemental attack Kakuzu throws at him.

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will provide him with a huge wave to counter any upcoming katon, and/or provide Kisame with shelter and faster access to the rest of his suiton techniques.

Yes but how is this all happening when
1: the attack in question is a fuuton most likely which that wave is not shielding him from

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that, and a GSB? With what water, he has not used a suiton yet and he most certainty is not going to be able to utilize both the wave and GSB before that fuuton hits..as is evident in that scan Kisame rises with the wave, so that technique is not giving him any shelter in fact its making him more exposed to the deadly damage of the wind

Why would he fully merge if he is still on land (assuming he is because Kakuzu wouldn't be grabbing Samehada in the WD) That doesn't make too much sense. And Lmao, we'll see about that. *_*

The fact of the matter is it still takes time for him to merge, also that scan you psoted of him being "partly merged" is just him entering his fully merged mode..But again it takes time so the threads removing it from his grasp will still work,

Oh Zexion, Lmao you kill me sometime. Do you understand what air pressure is? You seem to think it only compresses. Air pressure is the force exerted by air; either compressed or unconfined (free). If you read the Databook clearly, it's obviously referring to an unconfined air pressure as it specifically states the knocking down of trees. NOT crushing down trees. And you can clearly see the direction of which the air is

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by looking at the air blast as well as the way it is blowing at Ino-Shiko-Cho. Not at all compressing down on them.

Because Ino-Shika-Cho were totally behind the blast ..again read the fight please

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it was the backlash of the attack, just gust of wind that was fired behind them.

And again look in the entry "A very densely compacted tornado mass is launched at the opponent"

now then whats the definition of compacted

Exert force on (something) to make it more dense; compress.

so yes this is indeed crushing the WD from the outside, not to mention it also states that it GOUGES THE EARTH which normal gusts of wind won't due ...

I should of known this was going to be easily countered. Allow me to use a better example this time. Kitsuchi was able to use his Sandwich Technique from quite a far distance away [

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] and before you go on stating that we do not know how far exactly was Kitsuchi away from the Mazo; take a look at the fodders in front that were hit by the lightning. None of which were Kitsuchi who was a considerable distance

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. Not even taking into account that his chakra had to travel on the earth to his desired spot. When Kisame is in the the WD he is in a water source created by his own chakra, which in essence, goes back to him using the Water Prison within his Mizu Bunshin [

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] ... Only this time, Kisame is using Shark Bomb(s) within his Suiton: Dai Bakusui Shōha (Water Dome) Therefore, there is no reason why a spawn point for his suiton has to be right beside him.

So your comparing doton to suiton now? This may be an even worse example, by that logic a wind user could spawn a jutsu wherever there is wind...Doton is the easiest of the elements to transfer you chakra from place to place due to their being a solid trail that leads to wherever you want it to go. Now then lets specifically prove this argument wrong its not that hard, just look at Kisame's 5 feeding sharks jutsu

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see that white stuff extending from Kisame's finger tips, its chakra, which is then transported to spawn the sharks wherever it is, So no he is not spawning anything instantly the chakra must travel first, which would never Catch Kakuzu regardless but it also leaves Kisame wide open to attack as he has to focus to do this ... The mizu bunshin's are made of water..so the chakra did not have to go anywhere, hence why he was able to accomplish such a feat.

"this way would be before Kisame uses a suiton kakuzu would fire his Katon at the ground near Kisame"

Mizu Bunshins is a suiton technique. You assumed here that Kisame wouldn't use any of his techniques, but rather watch Kakuzu release his 4 masks and shoot a fireball at him. LOL, this strategy is illogical.

Don't know why your always inculding Mizu Bunshins here...when he has never shown to use them except as a way to capture 3 kids...Why your making it your go- to technique is astonishing, doubt he is going to simply use that right away, as he clearly does not use that technique as much as you make it out, But whatever this strategy was really one of my least important

Sheesh, you're right... Kisames a total idiot. Even though the most analytical characters in this manga have fallen for practically the same thing [

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] Please. :| And you act as if Kisame wasn't able to avoid it.

So Your comparing Kisame's awareness to an Itachi's who was half blind, and a father who was desperate to get his son back at any means.. Even trying to negotiate with Obito

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frantically might i add not to mention Itachi's problem is no where nead the same as the paper bombs, so yes i would say that is an accurate comparison of Kisame's awareness

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which he executed before Gai could reach him from point blank range or a simple

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ZzZz ... Anything else?

Again least important argument, although as you can see from that scan and this one

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Kisame's view would still be hindered ...Kakuzu could easily take advantage of this and restrain him with threads that caught a sharingan user off guard

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and then proceed to end him by removing an important organ

Maybe it pushed Kakashi's suiton back (While evaporating it *notice the mist*) because it was far too weak and no where near enough water in comparison to the fire that was boosted from the fuuton...? Another weak point. In fact the Katon+Fuuton stalemated against the Suiton+Fuuton [

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Just in case you didn't know, Mist=Evaporation. So when Kakuzu's Katon Fuuton combo hits the larger WD, the water will evaporate... not at all creating holes.

Don't know why i bothered arguing this because either way the Water dome would be shrunk immediately, which again grants Kakuzu a much easier time to escape...not that he really would want to as he could end Kisame perfectly find under the dome

In the very scan you provided you can clearly see before summoning Gamabunta, the Kyuubis chakra wasn't physically shrouded around him. The chakra remained

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, absolutely no visible chakra shroud before summoning bunta. The same applies when Samehada absorbed Naruto's chakra [

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] No visible chakra shroud was surrounding Naruto prior to starting the summoning ritual. In addition, notice how Naruto said "

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" which doesn't just imply he can't feel the kyuubi's chakra, it means he can't feel his as well. And as we all know, Naruto's own blue chakra doesn't shroud around him and becomes physical, it remains within him; yet Samehada absorbed that as well. Furthermore, Kisame and Samehada did it again against Bee

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; absolutely no chakra was present but what's inside Bee. So, again, yes, Samehada is absorbing the chakra within the threads, nullifying it's manipulation.

Way to contradict yourself bud, you just made a huge post about how Kisame's and Samehada's absorption is different then you go and compare Kisamehada's to Samehada's lol, not that this matters as again i'll have to prove that the chakra is not in the threads U_U but i'll counter this nonetheless as we all can plainly see Naruto's Kyuubi chakra is indeed visible

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everyone can see it easily

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Now as i informed you over VM Kakuzu control's his threads with chakra that remains inside him how can i prove this? By this very scan

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His form was already changed, and Yamato stated that he was "BUILDING UP CHAKRA" as in inside his chakra system, all that chakra that he builds up in his chakra system then allows him to control that many threads at one time as i said earlier similar to what we thought the third Kazekage did with his chakra ...its the same normally except without that mass of chakra inside him,

So to make sure you don't misinterpret me again i'll spell it out for ya

He controls the threads via the chakra that remains inside his chakra system
His hearts (made of threads) Are controlled via the chakra he pushes through the chakra tubes of said heart's not the threads themselves

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so yes if Kisame was able to get close To Kakuzu he could indeed absorb his chakra like any other shinobi he faces, but that is simply not happening.

Now i know what your thinking "Kisame could simply grab onto the threads and absorb his chakra through them" Although this is correct their is a simple way for kakuzu to counter this. As is most commonly known,Kakuzu must leave his earth heart within his body to perform Doton Domu, Which means there would be 2 Chakra tubes Kisame must absorb, since Kakuzu can easily push his chakra through the Earth Hearts Chakra tubes as is evident when he performs the Doton Domu jutsu as that is what is required (as proven by my earlier scans) and if the heart has chakra it has already shown it can manipulate threads without Kakuzu's immediate assistance

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If Kisame were to ever Some how grab hold of Kakuzu's threads and try to absorb chakra from them which might i add he most ceraintly is not doing with these

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anyways The earth heart would send out more threads to impale Kisame with, that would rip out an organ once again.

Also just a side note Kisame's body can't absorb every aspect of chakra that touches him

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But he's not.. According to the DB Kisame has a slight edge in taijutsu. With Samehadas chakra absorption capability and Kisames super-human strength; Kakuzu will easily be overwhelmed just as the faster taijutsu master Gai did

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Data book is not taking into consideration Kakuzu's threads obviously, and once again i have already proved that the threads would work.... Pretty sure Kakuzu's speed bested Kakashi's who is above Kisame in that category so speed is not a problem here

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Exactly! The doppelganger is also bestowed with all of the originals abilities as well!

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So thanks for proving my point for me. Samehada's clone has all of it's originals abilities. Not even mentioning the fact that Samehada realizing that Gai wasn't Kisame, as well as locating and swimming back to Kisame, is a sensory ability (An ability of the original [

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], not a personality trait. And no, your example of Samehada not absorbing the paper bombs seal of chakra, is not a viable reason as to why Samehada doesn't have it's absorption capabilities. As you can see in that very scan you provided, Kisame had no clue it was there. Unfortunately Samehada doesn't take it upon himself to absorb chakra; this was proven when the raiton pencil passed right by Kisame without being absorbed [

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] Kisame didn't see it coming, thus he didn't prompt Samehada to absorb it. This is also confirmed to be the case when Nagato was about to blast Bee with a chakra blast [

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] and Samehada didn't take it upon itself to absorb the chakra. So because Kisame didn't realize explosive tag until it was exploding, he didn't prompt Samehada to absorb the chakra, neither did Samehada take the initiative to do it himself either.

All this is absolutely bull shit ..You can't clone another living organism ..its that simple Samehada is not a weapon its a creature U_U And obviously they used the doppelganger jutsu on samehada that fight because it sure as hell was not a water clone (water did not appear after it was beaten) And since Kisame knows not this Doppelganger jutsu his...clones....won't...****ing.......samehada

Funny you weren't playing that same Kakuzu being two hearts down and plot card when you stated "his threads can deal with clones

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" Then when I provided the scan of Kakuzu getting feinted a few pages after, you want to go ahead and shrug it off as plot :| And the Mizu Bunshins can easily get behind Kakuzu by swimming underwater/underground; they can even attack from underneath the surface as well as above at the same damn time. And lmao? Did you hear yourself when you were coming up with that tactic of the Masks going underground and shooting their elemental attacks? By doing that, they will only blow themselves up as nearly all of them deal with "making contact with something" then the real attack hits by escalating in power e.g. the fuuton and katon mask. So that means the AoE would be right on the masks, resulting in them dying. So you got a good tactic there. Make it easier on Kisame. *_*

Funny how that whole first part made absolutely no sense i said his threads could deal with clones..which is evident in that scan AND his plot troll moment...as you want to know what his threads were doing? Destroying a clone..really your knowledge of Kakuzu's fight is simply astounding ..its Ext. Low

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the part that was plot, was that he did not use his jutsu to obliterate Naruto from behind, when he clearly showed he could do so earlier

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also notice how they went from the side in that scan..to the front

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so don't say it was because Naruto appeared behind him...Which btw was never really explained ....Naruto magically appears behind kakuzu? lol Plot

Anyways as for the underground part that's where your wrong

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"FLUID STATE and since fluod = not solid They would not explode upon impact until they hit Kisame, Not to mention the lightning heart would rip through earth regardless...Also i obviously meant they would fire once Kisame was in front of them ...U_U How you could not figure that out is beyond me

What the hell...? So now your giving Kakuzu feats that he's never shown to be capable of doing? You think with all that battle experience he'd go airborne after concluding that he must avoid getting hit by Naruto's FRS at all costs [

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]? But instead he remains on the ground and gets feinted by Narutos Kage Bunshin feints not once, but twice. Obviously Kakuzu doesn't have the capability of going airborne. That's a bit ridiculous that you think he can. And on the contrary, Kisame did in fact show the capability to go airborne;

Jesus...Obviously he did not there because the mask creatures were inside his body PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD READ THIS FIGHT its clear you have never before or else the idiotic things you are saying would not be said ...I just stated logical reasons he could, and you refuted them by saying that he can't becaue he did not in a situation where he COULD NOT...Wonder what the judges will think

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Contrary to the popular belief, Kisame can in fact go airborne. One may argue that unlike in the Anime, rather then flying away; Kisame actually swam away in the manga [

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] Only problem with this is the fact that there was nowhere for Kisame to even swim to [

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Thats so easily wrong its laughable i'm assumoing you saw this however and for some reason just decided to ignore it ..look in that scan in the left most box

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you can clearly see him entering the water and swimming off
Regardless if Kisame did in fact swim away in the manga or not, it's unimportant. As Kisame has shown other means of going airborne. Since nothing transpired that even suggests he could of gone airborne he clearly is swimming in the bottom right scan as well,

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His shark summon was able to go in a aerial state within a small dome like structure of water. Operating much like the Water Dome, Kisame will be able to go airborne within this smaller dome of water. Depending on the speed of which he can swim, is how fast he'd be able to travel in the air. Which, I must say; Is pretty fast [

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] ...even without the fusion of Samehada.

Thats so easily wrong its laughable i'm assumoing you saw this however and for some reason just decided to ignore it ..look in that scan in the left most box

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you can clearly see him entering the water and swimming off Since nothing transpired that even suggests he could of gone airborne he clearly is swimming in the bottom right scan as well,

You can clearly see that there is a water source that is moving along with the bubbled shark...And then he merely fell of the edge into the water No clue why your saying it can fly here

So even if Kakuzu does in fact go airborne (which he most certainly can't) Kisame can match him, and even travel faster in the air then Kakuzu can.

Yes Kakuzu can ..

lol No Kisame can't

Lmao at Kakuzu even getting the chance to manipulate his tendrils to rip Kisamehadas heart when his chakra is being drained upon contact of Kisamehadas body at an alarming rate; which means not tendril manipulation. Not a chance in hell of that happening.

As i said earlier the earth heart can do it on its own, although he's not even getting close to Kakuzu, ..not to mention Kakuzu's chakra is one of the highest for non Jins. in the series (Besides Kisame of course) He'd still be able to function while getting chakra absorbed from him because unlike Bee he can still function since he needs no oxygen

As far your counter goes for GSB... I'm honestly dumbfounded. A) the compressed air was chakra less (GSB's weakness) B) His tendrils won't punch "holes" threw the enormous mouth of the Great Shark Bullet [

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] when comparing the GSB's size to Kisame; the GSB will simply devour the threads. C) How the hell is it going to "rip" water apart when the tendrils will simply exit right threw the GSB. Kisame's chakra is holding the GSB together. Much like the WD, to destroy the GSB, you have to disrupt Kisames chakra control.

Ok then...the same strategy will be taken by Kakuzu since again his threads DO NOT CONTAIN CHAKRA the giant mass of them will continue right through the GSB And impale Kisame who will be in the middle of the shark, Bet he would have the same idiotic look on his face once he realizes the threads are not made of chakra,

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thus ends the fight

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Dumbfounded... once again! Wtf? Lmao. So all of the sudden Kakuzu is going to catch Kisame by surprise despite his gained sensory abilities? As if Kisame hasn't dealt with more then one targets at once before? [

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] Even without his sensory abilities while fused with Samehada. Please just stop. Then you keep ignoring the fact that Kisamehada WANTS Kakuzu to make contact with him [

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] So by Kakuzu restraining Kisamehada via his tendrils he gets all his chakra drained out of him... what part of that's a bad idea don't you understand?

Who said anything about restraining, do you not know what Kakuzu's threads are capable of? They can impale others just as easy, not to mention the threads do not even contain chakra..so hes not sensing shit, and they still impale Kisame... Easily, in seconds Kakuzu was able to come dig that deep into Kakashi's chest

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...I'd go as far to say its quicker then Kisame's absorption of chakra...not like the threads have chakra to absorb anyway's, no Kakuzu hitting Kisame with tendrils that crush the earth are a good idea actually

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In addition, even if the masks DO manage to escape before getting caught in the WD, they will be easily caught even outside of it. The WD moves as fast as Kisamehada can swim [

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] Which is certainly faster then what the Masks have shown to move. This means, by moving in the direction of the masks, the WD will engulf them as well. Not even like that is necessary; soon as Kakuzu is dead out of chakra, the masks will fly to his aid, right into the WD where Kisamehada will make fast and easy work with them GG Kakuzu

Are you this foolish? Did you not understand that Kakuzu would of Killed Kisame if he goes after the masks? As i have stated he's not draining shit from them. You also are a fool for thinking the masks would all leave in one direction? No they would scatter into different directions not allowing Kisame to trap all of them

I already proved why making contact with Samehada via tendrils is GG for Kakuzu, but I'm going to reiterate myself once again so hopefully you get it into your head this time.

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By making contact with Samehada via tendrils his chakra will be absorbed away from because Kisamehadas absorption capabilities are nearly on the same level of Preta Paths!

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The rate of which Kisamehada can absorb chakra is often very overlooked. In fact, the amount and time it takes Kisamehada to absorb chakra is obviously superior to that of Samehada alone, but more or less comparable to that of Preta Paths.


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Kisamehada

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Take note; it took roughly around the same amount of time for both Kisamehada and Preta Path to remove Bee's V2 chakra.

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While it can be argued that Kisamehada didn't absorb as much as Preta Path in that given amount of time, due to the fact that Bee still had his chakra cloak; Just understand that while Preta Path completely caught Bee by

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, while Bee was being resistant and fighting Kisamehada back by partially transforming into the Hachibi [

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] Thus, pumping in more chakra which resulted in prolonging the process in which Kisamehada completely absorbing the Hachibi's chakra.

Despite Bee's efforts of trying to not allow his chakra to be drained, Kisamehada was still able to not only completely absorb Bee's V2 state, but he also managed to absorb Bee's chakra cloak as well as the partial Hachibi transformation [

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] Far exceeding Samehada limitations of 6 tails worth of bijuu chakra.

Thus, the end result remained the same. A lifeless Bee; and a chakra-less Bijuu

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Chakra being drained = no tendril manipulation = no way of harming Kisamehada = chakra being completely drained = dead Kakuzu

Clearly you are not getting the fact that his threads don't require chakra


Anyway's Kakuzu defeats Kisame with usage of his EGF here, Kisame's speed may be increased when underwater dome but its not enough to get through Kakuzu's Threads which were capable of catching a pre-cog user off guard, Firing suitons does not work as he still Has domu, and then GSB has already been countered easily and would lead to Kisame's downfall as it did against Guy. Kakuzu has considerably fast threads extending in all directions

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leaving Kisame no opening to get close To Kakuzu and absorb his chakra, Kakuzu WILL hit him with his threads thus removing his heart and ending the battle, Even infiltrating his gills if he has too, and while all this offensive action is happening Kakuzu would have threads left over to defend from Anything Kisame pulls, If he some how miraculously gets close, i have proven in an above point that threads would still impale Kisme regardless if he is absorbing chakra, as he can spawn threads throughout his whole body

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, Basically Kisame has no way around the combined force of EGF pressuring him from all angles, and Domu halting his every Jutsu except GSB which is countered as well..Kakuzu is the victor in this hard fought match

And So it Ends....

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[Prince Charles]

R.I.P Forbidden technique.

 

[Gakido]

Sausage solos GG

 

[Forbidden Technique]

Has Kisame ever shown that water Horn technique? No he hasn't ...Even if he is a master of the suiton... might as well give Kakuzu every elemental jutsu there is seeing as he has mastery over all elements

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R.I.P Forbidden technique.

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Kisames suiton prowess.. [

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[Prince Charles]

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Kisames suiton prowess.. [

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LMao turnt up

 

[Zexion~]

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Kisames suiton prowess.. [

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The fact that your making all this fuss over such a pointless thing means you got nothing else =D

Also with that logic can he use this as well

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[Forbidden Technique]

The fact that your making all this fuss over such a pointless thing means you got nothing else =D

Also with that logic can he use this as well

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Yes, because Kisames prowess with suiton techniques is no where near fodder level [

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I haven't even read the rest of your post. My shock in your very first counter hasn't allowed me to.

 

[Zexion~]

Yes, because Kisames prowess with suiton techniques is no where near fodder level [

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I haven't even read the rest of your post. My shock in your very first counter hasn't allowed me to.

It doesn't matter my bro ..no feats = he cant use it ..especially in debates ...but again irdc if you use it ...

But this logic is sounding an awful lot like Kakuzu can use any elemental jutsu :eww:

 

[AGoodBoy]

I haven't read this long-ass TL;Dr; thread but people are making sound mighty interesting at the moment, maybe i might just give it a read

Im really loving these VS threads. I wish I can join in on one. BTW originally I thought Kisame would take this easily but zexion proving kakauzu can breathe underwater was incredible. That really changed a lot. After Zexions first post I was all for Kakuzu winning then forbidden countered and now I have no idea . I never really thought this battle would come this far. KUDOS! Thanks for the interesting reads guys!

Small question though because this has bugged me for a while. Can two great debators debate who will win between Itachi and Sasori? I really want to know. I know Drproof likes using sasori, so can someone like Prince Charles use Itachi? Can this happen?

Unfortunately this is non-debateable. Itachi wins low diff. If you restrict MS he wins High diff. Really, the only MS tech he needs is rib cage susano'o arm to break hiruko, from there it's welcome to trollcity for sasori Zzz

 

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It doesn't matter my bro ..no feats = he cant use it ..especially in debates ...but again irdc if you use it ...

But this logic is sounding an awful lot like Kakuzu can use any elemental jutsu :eww:

Meh, it really doesn't matter. I have ways around it. Anyways, I'm going to be busy the next few days. Not too sure how many more posts you're planning on going with this, but it is becoming a bit too long. Like to the point where nobody is going to want to read it. So, expect my last rebuttal no later then monday. We should probably look for judges who are willing to spend the time to read this all and give judgement on it in the meantime.

 

[Zexion~]

Meh, it really doesn't matter. I have ways around it. Anyways, I'm going to be busy the next few days. Not too sure how many more posts you're planning on going with this, but it is becoming a bit too long. Like to the point where nobody is going to want to read it. So, expect my last rebuttal no later then monday. We should probably look for judges who are willing to spend the time to read this all and give judgement on it in the meantime.

I was thinking that that was my last post my man,

 

[Fodder#4]

So; have we all come to agreement that Aquaman solo's The Scarecrow mid diff?

 

[Zexion~]

So; have we all come to agreement that Aquaman solo's The Scarecrow mid diff?

Lmao nope ...

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